NVIDIA Presents the TITAN RTX 24GB Graphics Card at $2,499

[enya64]

So surely for $2500 this card can use ray tracing at 4K (now that 4K is mainstream with 65 inch HDR TVs under $900) with at least 30 fps, right? Hurry up with an answer. My banker is on the other line asking if I am serious about opening this Home Equity Line of Credit.

Wait what do you mean "no but 1440p at almost 22fps may now be possible"? Will they be defective like the number of 2080ti, 2080, and 2070 cards that blue screened or artifacted in the first 2 months?

Wait, did you just suggest buying 2 of these for $5000 to see how high I can get with 1440p? Sure...

 

[EarthDog]

So surely for $2500 this card can use ray tracing at 4K (now that 4K is mainstream with 65 inch HDR TVs under $900) with at least 30 fps, right? Hurry up with an answer. My banker is on the other line asking if I am serious about opening this Home Equity Line of Credit.

Wait what do you mean "no but 1440p at almost 22fps may now be possible"? Will they be defective like the number of 2080ti, 2080, and 2070 cards that blue screened or artifacted in the first 2 months?

Wait, did you just suggest buying 2 of these for $5000 to see how high I can get with 1440p? Sure...

4K isn't mainstream for PC monitors in appropriate sizes...less than 2% of users have one (says steam stats).

Perhaps you can go take a look at this thread for some up to date news on its RT performance: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...-performance-patch-up-to-50-fps-gains.250201/

You also have no idea how many cards have had issues. But you also must have missed the part about GN saying AIBs % were extremely low at that time (when people posted of issues) and NVIDIA said it wasn't higher than normal. Some of the issues were also situation specific and resolved with driver updates. The reality is, we have no idea. But I can tell you if it was a rampant issue, we would have seen A LOT more unhappy people than we did. Also, if you believe in the theory that the memory IC was the problem (I don't, few in the know seem to think so) they have also started using samsung along with the micron chips.

 

[Fluffmeister]

So, Quadro price for GeForce performance.

Not really, but it certainly puts all "future proof" AMD hardware to bed.

 

[OneCool]

Finally!!! I need too sli 2 of these so I can play Q-Bert @ 480i!!!

 

[gmn17]

500 cheaper than titan v nice
Any fp64 performance numbers?

 

[Xzibit]

500 cheaper than titan v nice
Any fp64 performance numbers?

White paper on Turing is

The FP64 TFLOP rate is 1/32nd the TFLOP rate of FP32 operations. The small number of FP64 hardware units are included to ensure any programs with FP64 code operates correctly.

 

[enya64]

4K isn't mainstream for PC monitors in appropriate sizes...less than 2% of users have one (says steam stats).

Perhaps you can go take a look at this thread for some up to date news on its RT performance: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...-performance-patch-up-to-50-fps-gains.250201/

You also have no idea how many cards have had issues. But you also must have missed the part about GN saying AIBs % were extremely low at that time (when people posted of issues) and NVIDIA said it wasn't higher than normal. Some of the issues were also situation specific and resolved with driver updates. The reality is, we have no idea. But I can tell you if it was a rampant issue, we would have seen A LOT more unhappy people than we did. Also, if you believe in the theory that the memory IC was the problem (I don't, few in the know seem to think so) they have also started using samsung along with the micron chips.

So your response is A) most pc gamers are using less than 4k displays, B) the RTX defective rate isn't wide spread or in the margin of error, and C) an untested RT press release about today's driver update/patch negates the still lack of performance using RT features.

A) Maybe I'm in the small percentage of pc gamers, but since HDMI became the standard for displays nearly a decade ago I've been using HDTVs instead of computer monitors because of the larger screen size. Nearly all the PC gamers I know use high refresh rate 4k HDR HDTVs and and have dropped the standard pc monitor ages ago. Out of a few hundred pc gamers I personally know only 2 use 3 computer monitors for the novelty of multi monitor gaming. Most of us have traded in our computer desk for a couch, wireless keyboard and mouse, and a Xbox One controller. But steam stats may be a reason to think otherwise I guess.

B) If you think the faulty rate of RTX cards is in the manufacturing margin of error, there's a few tech sources to get you up to speed. On youtube: Gamer's Nexus (who received tons of faulty RTX cards to diagnose within two weeks during the first month of launch), Joker Productions (whose 2070 just died this week), Jayz2Cents, UFD Tech, Hardware Unboxed, etc. It was so bad that Nvidia themselves had to finally acknowledge it publicly and offer replacements after weeks of reported failures. You do realize we are still in the first 2 months since launch, right? There are nearly as many faulty/defective RTX videos on Youtube as there are RTX benchmarking videos.

C) The new of the performance gain via driver that came not even a few hours ago is an Nvidia press release. You seem savvy enough to realize that until you see actual benchmarks not to hang your hat on info in a press release. If we could believe everything a company says about its own product RTX would "just work" Jensen 2018.

Hope that helps.

 

[EarthDog]

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A. Yes, most PC gamers are.
1. I don't know a soul who does that... larger than 32" on a desk is obnoxious!
2. And I would bet GOOD money says most PC gamers are at a desk and not on a couch 12' away from their 65" 4K UHD TV. Only 2 or 3 people (you know) use PC monitors of HUNDREDS? I doubt that.
3. Steam Stats


B. Yep. Its close enough that this isn't some epidemic like many, including yourself have made it out to be.,
1. GN received like 5-7 cards when they did their testing (they said that in their video)... was it more, later? You do realize I said Gamers Nexus (the GN in my previous post) said those failure numbers, right? If you trust them enough to use them yourself as a supporting argument, you should trust them the same when I cite them as well.
2. NVIDIA replaces all failed cards anyway (without physical damage)... that isn't anything new.
3. Everyone complains more than they praise. 10s of thousands of these were sold. I bet a couple/few percent were bad (hundreds!)... but, a couple/few percent is around the average.

C. Of course I wouldn't hang my hat on it, but they listed the settings and had short movie clips showing these improvements. Surely they could have cherry picked it, but from what we saw in the videos (live shots with FPS counters) so far, they are pretty accurate in those. Here is to hoping its close, but, yeah, I believe it will be close enough to what they said and for these to now be playable as they say.

 

[enya64]

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So what you are saying is...you disagree. Cool.

 

[EarthDog]

Yes, but with a bit more updated information left on the table for those to make an educated opinion with.

 

[enya64]

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But looking at your screenshot the gpu is the GTX1060. Of course the resolution used would be lower that 4k on most instances. Just as the resolution would be mostly 1440p with a 1080 and 4k with a 1080ti. Those hundreds of pc gamers that have migrated from the computer desk to the couch have 4k capable gpus that can use the 4k HDR TVs.

As far as Gamers Nexus is concerned, in the 1st video regarding the faulty cards he had about 5 RTX cards. In that same video he gave an invite to send more cards to narrow down the problem. In the followup video he had a LOT more because so many cards were going bad. Nearly every major tech Youtube channel had a faulty card on hand. That is not normal, and I've been buying gpus since 2002.

Lastly we can all hope that these drivers can improve the unrealized value we were sold with the RTX series. Patience goes a long way, but if we wait too long and keep trying to justify the unwarranted and absorbent cost of the RTX series, the next generation of cards will be here to fulfill those promises properly. Let's wait for some independent benching to see how much ground Nvidia has made up with this driver.

 

[EarthDog]

But looking at your screenshot the gpu is the GTX1060. Of course the resolution used would be lower that 4k on most instances. Just as the resolution would be mostly 1440p with a 1080 and 4k with a 1080ti. Those hundreds of pc gamers that have migrated from the computer desk to the couch have 4k capable gpus that can use the 4k HDR TVs.

Makes sense... its the most popular selling card for NVIDIA... its a sweetspot of cost and performance on that side of the fence. And of course it doesn't do 4K... neither does a 1070, nor does any AMD GPU outside of the V64 (60 fps ultra/high settings). Point here is, which you just solidified my point actually, is that not many can afford the performance of a 1080Ti or V64 with 4K UHD any size monitor. Hence part of the reason why adoption rates are so low. But steam stats are a decent cross section of millions... even couch gamers... that 1.45%. Which is the complete opposite of your 2/3 in the couple hundred you personally know.

As far as Gamers Nexus is concerned, in the 1st video regarding the faulty cards he had about 5 RTX cards. In that same video he gave an invite to send more cards to narrow down the problem. In the followup video he had a LOT more because so many cards were going bad. Nearly every major tech Youtube channel had a faulty card on hand. That is not normal, and I've been buying gpus since 2002.

He may have doubled that amount. But still, if there were hundreds that went bad... why can't he get a dozen from his half million subscribers or forum members or etc and so on. Listen, we both can't prove a thing... but I know what GN said in their vid about the return rates reportedly being around average. Perhaps look through the vids again? Maybe I should do the same... but I was floored when he said it.

Lastly we can all hope that these drivers can improve the unrealized value we were sold with the RTX series. Patience goes a long way, but if we wait too long and keep trying to justify the unwarranted and absorbent cost of the RTX series, the next generation of cards will be here to fulfill those promises properly. Let's wait for some independent benching to see how much ground Nvidia has made up with this driver.

As far as I understood from that video, it was both in the driver as well as game optimizations. Drivers will help a couple % for the architecture as they mature (if we are lucky). Some games more, some none at all.

I do agree with you regarding the abhorrent (I'm sure you meant that instead of absorbent, ) cost of the RTX series. For the first two months, it was pretty bad. Due to market adjustments of many kinds, 1080Ti's are now within $100-$200 as 2080 Ti's. 1080's are $580+ now and a 25% faster card in a 2080 is $750 (all newegg numbers, new, not refurb). A 2070 is $500+ and trades beats (by 10%+ at 1080p) the more expensive 1080. There is always the AMD side, the pricing is MUCH lower, but, its flagship can't 4K well and is barely a 2560x1440 High Hz card (will pound through 60 hz) and is WELL behind the 2080Ti (37%). The 2070 also beats V64 while using 1/2 the power (its also $100 cheaper). The GPU market is a messy place my friend.

 

[renz496]

I was looking forward to release of Titan RTX hoping to get some cheaper 64-bit double precision math performance out of it and now this: Titan RTX = 0.51 TFLOPS Double Precision FP64, my old Titan V is giving me 6.9 TFLOPS FP64! This is a huge downgrade for anyone doing math modeling. Yet another NVidias' product segmentation. They deliberately crippled double precision performance on Titan RTX. The only current choice remaining for us pro users is Tesla V100 with $10K price tag. I paid $8.5K for triple Titan V GPUs giving me nearly 21 TFLOPS of FP64 and I'd have to pay $30K for 21 FP64 performance now. Where is the logic in that? NVidia has gone completely loco with pricing. When my Titans V die on me I'll go for AMD VEGA Instinct MI60 if price is more normal. If not, I'm f...ed.

If you want massive FP64 performance your only choice will be volta. AFAIK turing while using same SM configuration as volta the primary focus is rendering and ray tracing performance. Volta is still the way to go if you want proper FP64.

 

[Patriot]

If you want massive FP64 performance your only choice will be volta. AFAIK turing while using same SM configuration as volta the primary focus is rendering and ray tracing performance. Volta is still the way to go if you want proper FP64.

Yes, unfortunately, Titan V, and RTX 2070-2080ti only allow nvlink for non-compute activities... this seems to suggest that this nvlink is unlocked for compute mode... which makes it a half priced Quadro 6000.

 

[Ruru]

2749 euros here in Finland

Few more shaders than 2080 Ti, full memory bus, double memory size... and double the price. Nvidia, are you serious, not even the "high-end chip", just the same chip what the GeForce model has...

edit: Or correct me, do they use HBM with the best Turing GPU?

 

[Xzibit]

2749 euros here in Finland

Few more shaders than 2080 Ti, full memory bus, double memory size... and double the price. Nvidia, are you serious, not even the "high-end chip", just the same chip what the GeForce model has...

edit: Or correct me, do they use HBM with the best Turing GPU?

Nope, GDDR6

 

[EarthDog]

HBM wouldn't even be putting lipstick on a pig, but making that pig fatter as it costs more to implement in the first place. What did Titan V cost in Finland on release? Here is the states it was $500 more and by all accounts not named DP, is faster with over 2x the memory for those prosumers, data scientists, and compute who its marketed towards.

I can see why gamers would be upset, and those who require DP in their work. But outside of that, for the market it wants, its cheaper and faster in most cases.

 

[Absolution]

The only reason I would want this is by winning it in some competition lol

 

[Deleted member 177333]

lol...still not interested in selling many Turing GPUs it seems. Awful price / performance ratio as expected.

 

[enya64]

I remember the Nvidia RTX conference being open in one tab, and the RTX 2080ti in my product cart in the other tab. I was so close to impulse buying the thing as it was being announced. Bad habit of buying a new high end gpu or cpu each year. RTX made me break the cycle.
Since nearly all games these days are developed for consoles and pc, a new gpu won't be on my to-do list until the new consoles arrive in 2020. At that point the RTX 4000 series should be out along with AMD's Navi, latest Ryzen, or Intel I9 to power the pc versions of games like Cyberpunk and Elder Scrolls 6.

 

[GhostRyder]

I have bought multiple cars for less money than this card LOL.

 

[Vya Domus]

I don't know a soul who does that

40 inch 4K TV here used as a desktop. You know one now.

 

[Diogo]

Do you think government should be stepping in to regulate the prices of phones after all those iphones are over $1000 now, cant be allowing that right? The price of filet mignon? The price of diamonds? Oh, we should have the government break up mercedes, they have a monopoly on luxury RWD wagons. And dont forget coca-cola, they should be broken up too, they have a monopoly on coca cola after all!

We do not need governments regulating luxuries, we are not a communist society. The whole point of luxuries is that people with money can afford them. There is an argument to be had that the ever rising price of luxury GPUs is cranking the price on the rest, but there is an equally valid counterargument that this is only the result of a single GPU manufacturer being on top, if AMD were competitive prices would be no higher then the FERMI era. Nvidia GPUs are luxury items that currently have 0 competition, of course the prices are going to be ridiculous. That doesnt mean we need the government breaking the company up. Nvidia GPUs are luxuries, they are not necessary for life, your life is not negatively impacted by not having a titan GPU.

I cannot agree with you.... Mercedes does not have the monopoly on the RWD wagons market.

However, on everything else I Completely agree with you, your comment was spot on.

 

[bajs11]

btarunr - It's not a gaming card....

but that didnt stop those review sites and youtubers to publish gaming benchmark with it just like what they did with Titan V
"famous" youtubers like Linus and several others have already received review samples from Nvidia
also if its not a gaming card shouldn't it be called Tesla or Quadro
I bet they also want gamers with rich parents buy this card as well

 

[Fluffmeister]

2749 euros here in Finland

Few more shaders than 2080 Ti, full memory bus, double memory size... and double the price. Nvidia, are you serious, not even the "high-end chip", just the same chip what the GeForce model has...

edit: Or correct me, do they use HBM with the best Turing GPU?

They aren't stupid enough try and bring HBM to a consumer part yet.