NVIDIA Titan X Pascal 12 GB

[crazyeyesreaper]

$1200 enthusiast GPU no option for AIB cards no option for AIB aftermarket coolers. $1200 and to get the most out of it you need to custom liquid cool it. $1200+ $100 for a block if you have a loop $200 to build a good high quality loop so $1500 to get the most out of it essentially. Which considering its current price its not that bad. Then again. If Nvidia had spent $15 on a better air cooler rather than on style this card could have been far better performance wise. Which if they do release a 1080Ti would have probably given it a bit more of a leg to stand on.

 

[cdawall]

its a pre-mo device with a cooler that throttles on stock clocks...WTF are you talking about?

You didn't even read the review did you....plus it is pre-mo enthusiast device....enough said.

It doesn't throttle, it doesn't hold boost which is a factory OC, go ahead and call intel and tell them about their i7's throttle out of turbo using stock coolers.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

$1200 enthusiast GPU no option for AIB cards no option for AIB aftermarket coolers. $1200 and to get the most out of it you need to custom liquid cool it. $1200+ $100 for a block if you have a loop $200 to build a good high quality loop so $1500 to get the most out of it essentially. Which considering its current price its not that bad. Then again. If Nvidia had spent $15 on a better air cooler rather than on style this card could have been far better performance wise. Which if they do release a 1080Ti would have probably given it a bit more of a leg to stand on.

1200 bucks and they put a cheap under-powered cooler...ridiculous. They at least could sell it without a cooler -_- Another issue i have is waste. It is a waste of money and resources to replace cooler. That is another reason why I want GPU vendors to sell GPU only so you don't have resources :/

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

It doesn't throttle, it doesn't hold boost which is a factory OC, go ahead and call intel and tell them about their i7's throttle out of turbo using stock coolers.

Intel doesn't have stock coolers....so thanks You are proving my point. I no longer have 10 stock coolers wasting 200 dollars of raw materials, energy, time, shipping resources, space, and more.

Intel did the right thing and removed that waste. Also I never saw any of my I7 throttle of stock cooler. 3770 didn't. I tried...max was like 60 or 70C lawls.

So you are full of bullshit on 2 counts

Throttling is throttling and is unacceptable no matter how you spin it.

 

[cdawall]

Intel doesn't have stock coolers....so thanks You are proving my point. I no longer have 10 stock coolers wasting 200 dollars of raw materials, energy, time, shipping resources, space, and more.

Intel did the right thing and removed that waste. Also I never saw any of my I7 throttle of stock cooler. 3770 didn't. I tried...max was like 60 or 70C lawls.

So you are full of bullshit on 2 counts

Throttling is throttling and is unacceptable no matter how you spin it.

I literally work on dozens of machines a day. The OEM cooler provided with CPU's such as the 6700 are woefully inadequate for allowing the CPU to stay at turbo speeds. The sames goes for the 4770 and so on.

Remember Intel sells a lot more non-K series chips than K series.

And again would you mind pointing out when in @W1zzard review he mentions the GPU dropping below non-boost speed?

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

I literally work on dozens of machines a day. The OEM cooler provided with CPU's such as the 6700 are woefully inadequate for allowing the CPU to stay at turbo speeds. The sames goes for the 4770 and so on.

Remember Intel sells a lot more non-K series chips than K series.

And again would you mind pointing out when in @W1zzard review he mentions the GPU dropping below non-boost speed?

Again Intel does not sell stock with i7s anymore. I dont care about OEM we are talking about intel...Nice logical fallacy.

How about you read the overclocking section for yourself and notice how increasing power and fans increases overall perforce without ever overclocking....are you this retarded daily? Or are you just trolling?

Since you appear to be slow or dumb or a troll or all of the above....I'll post the link for you.

^^^^^
This is called throttling dumbass

Just in case you are super stupid here is what throttling is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_frequency_scaling

Boost 3.0 to stock is throttling by definition *facepalm*

You have over 4K posts and yet you still don't understand the basics? Using common sense even tells you that slide is showing throttling by just using the basic English of the word....

EDIT: If a mod wants to get mad at me for stating the obvious about this guy....I really don't care. This guy is a new level of special and I don't feel like filtering.

 

[Kaapstad]

As to throttling all my Pascal Titans have no problem maintaining 2000mhz+ on the core.

Just turn the fans up !!!

This is how the reference NVidia cards are designed, by default they run quiet at the expense of clockspeed.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

As to throttling all my Pascal Titans have no problem maintaining 2000mhz+ on the core.

Just turn the fans up !!!

This is how the reference NVidia cards are designed, by default they run quiet at the expense of clockspeed.

can you make some benchmarks showing BF3 or some game at stock vs max overclock with a read outs of MHz like wizzards but actually go into detail. I love wizzards reviews but he is so damn lazy with the OC section you can't tell shit with stock cards in his reviews.

no reference to what clock speed or temp is actually being run at in the 108.8fps example. For all I know if proper cooling is added it can go even faster.

 

[Ruru]

Sad thing that those prices just go higher every time... I remember when I thought that 8800 Ultra cost like crap!

 

[Parn]

100% fan speed, noisier and throttling under heavy load, but $1200 per pop.... No thanks.

Going to wait for 1080Ti with better custom cooling solution or Vega if it turns out to be better.

 

[bug]

100% fan speed, noisier and throttling under heavy load, but $1200 per pop.... No thanks.

Going to wait for 1080Ti with better custom cooling solution or Vega if it turns out to be better.

Well, it's their loss. I mean, if this came with a better cooler, you'd totally buy it, right?

 

[kaboro226]

Forgive me if I'm wrong but i dont think you buy a Titan X to overclock it, you dont need to do that anyway and that's part of the reason you get a Titan in the first place.
Overclocking is overrated, it comes at a price (stability and micro-stutter among others), and not all cards overclock well, regardless of brand and model.
To me, overclocking nowadays is a marketing strategy more than anything else.

 

[Mindweaver]

I want to remind members not to call one another names. Let's play nice!

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

Well, it's their loss. I mean, if this came with a better cooler, you'd totally buy it, right?

I might have. If they sold one for 1000 with no heatsink sure. If they sold it with a real heatsink I may impulse buy it and not wait for 1080TI but for 1400 to make it work right....thats stupid.

@kaboro226 lol....we are still a good bit from 1440P 120 hz and 4K 60hz consistent and ages away from 4K 120hz consistent. :/

Additionally many games have issues with 1440p 120hz because of CPU limititations. I can;t use ULMB in Planetside 2 because my 1500MHz 980TI is a limiting factor and my 4.8GHz HW is limiting fact too. PS2 will never see 120Hz consistent due to being single thread :/

 

[cdawall]

Again Intel does not sell stock with i7s anymore. I dont care about OEM we are talking about intel...Nice logical fallacy.

If you are going to argue could you at least be correct?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117560&cm_re=i7_6700-_-19-117-560-_-Product

How about you read the overclocking section for yourself and notice how increasing power and fans increases overall perforce without ever overclocking....are you this retarded daily? Or are you just trolling?

Since you appear to be slow or dumb or a troll or all of the above....I'll post the link for you.

^^^^^
This is called throttling dumbass

Just in case you are super stupid here is what throttling is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_frequency_scaling

Boost 3.0 to stock is throttling by definition *facepalm*

You have over 4K posts and yet you still don't understand the basics? Using common sense even tells you that slide is showing throttling by just using the basic English of the word....

Hey do me a huge favor and show me when the GPU throttles below its default clock. I have been nice enough to draw a line and arrow to the clock speed that the card would be throttling below. Remember boost is a factory OC and is not guaranteed in any way shape form or fashion. The stock clock is the only thing that nvidia says that cooler is required to hold.

EDIT: If a mod wants to get mad at me for stating the obvious about this guy....I really don't care. This guy is a new level of special and I don't feel like filtering.

I also wouldn't recommend insulting members who have likely thrown away more high end hardware than you have seen and actually know what they are talking about.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

If you are going to argue could you at least be correct?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117560&cm_re=i7_6700-_-19-117-560-_-Product

Hey do me a huge favor and show me when the GPU throttles below its default clock. I have been nice enough to draw a line and arrow to the clock speed that the card would be throttling below. Remember boost is a factory OC and is not guaranteed in any way shape form or fashion. The stock clock is the only thing that nvidia says that cooler is required to hold.

I also wouldn't recommend insulting members who have likely thrown away more high end hardware than you have seen and actually know what they are talking about.

Again 6700K no heatsink. It is an i7 so cherry pick all you want. Only *smart* people buy locked processors.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559

again go read the wiki page on throttling and look at the definition of the word throttling. English and common sense appears to escape the *smart* *genius* *intellectuals* here.

Since *smart* people can not bother to click a link. I shall quote this for all the *brilliant* minds of this *amazing* forum.

Dynamic frequency scaling (also known as CPU throttling) is a technique in computer architecture whereby the frequency of a microprocessor can be automatically adjusted "on the fly," either to conserve power or to reduce the amount of heat generated by the chip.

b: to regulate and especially to reduce the speed of (as an engine) by such means

Oh how *brilliant* people are these days with their *vast ability* to not bother to read or google or understand the basic meanings of a words. Though *smart* people have learned how to cherry pick and ignore basic meanings of words at least

/sarc

 

[Grings]

So if its still over 1418mhz it isnt throttling, it just isnt dynamically overclocking as much as you would like?

 

[jabbadap]

Not that it would mean much, but marketed boost clock is 1531MHz, which clock it should keep in normal operating(And which it's does by looking that picture). And off course it's throttling, it throttling by design(bios power limiter, temperature target and fan curve). Read pcper overclocking page: if you raise power limit and thermal limit, frequency variance is much less thus throttling is lower.

 

[cdawall]

Again 6700K no heatsink. It is an i7 so cherry pick all you want. Only *smart* people buy locked processors.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559

Says the guy cherry picking which i7 didn't come with a cooler. The "K" series overclocking chips no longer come with a cooler regardless to lineup. Quite a few people buy locked CPU's, their sales vastly outnumber unlocked CPU's.

again go read the wiki page on throttling and look at the definition of the word throttling. English and common sense appears to escape the *smart* *genius* *intellectuals* here.

Since *smart* people can not bother to click a link. I shall quote this for all the *brilliant* minds of this *amazing* forum.

Google dynamic overclocking as opposed to throttling. The card is not throttling as it is not dropping below the stated stock clock speed (1418mhz in this case) here is a line from wiki on intel turbo boost which uses the same technology.

Intel Turbo Boost is a technology implemented by Intel in certain versions of its processors that enables the processor to run above its base operating frequency via dynamic control of the processor's clock rate. Processor generations supporting this feature are based on the Nehalem (Turbo Boost 1.0), Sandy Bridge (Turbo Boost 2.0), Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake and Broadwell-E (Intel Turbo Boost Max 3.0[1]) microarchitectures, while the examples of Turbo-Boost-enabled processors are the Core i5 and Core i7series.[2] Turbo Boost is activated when the operating system requests the highest performance state of the processor. Processor performance states are defined by the Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) specification, an open standard supported by all major operating systems; no additional software or drivers are required to support the technology.[2] The design concept behind Turbo Boost is commonly referred to as "dynamic overclocking".[3]

Not reaching and holding the maximum boost speeds does not mean it is throttling it means it is not overclocking. Use some of this common sense you are referring to and yet again if you are going to argue with me could you at least be correct.

Oh how *brilliant* people are these days with their *vast ability* to not bother to read or google or understand the basic meanings of a words. Though *smart* people have learned how to cherry pick and ignore basic meanings of words at least

/sarc

I would quit while you are behind, you are just digging the hole further.

Not that it would mean much, but marketed boost clock is 1531MHz, which clock it should keep in normal operating(And which it's does by looking that picture). And off course it's throttling, it throttling by design(bios power limiter, temperature target and fan curve). Read pcper overclocking page: if you raise power limit and thermal limit, frequency variance is much less thus throttling is lower.

It has to meet all of the requirements in the VGA BIOS to hold boost. That clock speed is there to add performance when the card is running cool and low power, not a guarantee it will run this speed 24/7 at 100% load.

 

[Parn]

Well, it's their loss. I mean, if this came with a better cooler, you'd totally buy it, right?

$999 with better cooling (or no stock cooler so I can install one myself without voiding my warranty) and no throttling, yes. As it stands now, no way.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

Says the guy cherry picking which i7 didn't come with a cooler. The "K" series overclocking chips no longer come with a cooler regardless to lineup. Quite a few people buy locked CPU's, their sales vastly outnumber unlocked CPU's.



Google dynamic overclocking as opposed to throttling. The card is not throttling as it is not dropping below the stated stock clock speed (1418mhz in this case) here is a line from wiki on intel turbo boost which uses the same technology.



Not reaching and holding the maximum boost speeds does not mean it is throttling it means it is not overclocking. Use some of this common sense you are referring to and yet again if you are going to argue with me could you at least be correct.



I would quit while you are behind, you are just digging the hole further.



It has to meet all of the requirements in the VGA BIOS to hold boost. That clock speed is there to add performance when the card is running cool and low power, not a guarantee it will run this speed 24/7 at 100% load.

you realize you are buying into a marketing gimmick saying it is overclocking right? You really need to get a reality check and look at the history of computing and see it is throttling especially since it is solely throttling due to heat.....(83C...) Sell an underclocked GPU with a crap heatsink and claim it overclocks and reap the money from *smart* consumers. Seriously, you are a new level of genius here.

I bet you would claim a 3720QM is not throttling if it is running at 2.6GHz (due to heat) even though it is the exact same CPU as a 3920XM and 3770/3770K...wow special *facepalm*

FYI on the cherry picking. I wasn't cherry pick but way to goal post move. You originally talked about stock coolers and I stated the i7 didn't come with one. Fact. Also fact 3770/3770K never had heating issues with stock coolers. fact.

 

[HammerON]

This debate is getting tiresome and needs to be taken to PM. You have made your points/arguments so please move along.

 

[the54thvoid]

This debate is getting tiresome and needs to be taken to PM. You have made your points/arguments so please move along.

In all fairness - it wasn't @cdawall that made it tiresome. The advertised and therefore accepted clocks are never 'reduced' to, therefore it isn't throttling. Nvidia have this clearly identified and cannot be called for it. On the other hand, mentioning 1000Mhz boost clock and seeing it down clock below is throttling. Regardless of the silly discussion from the other party, the card is freaking superb. I'm still trying NOT to buy one.

 

[Am*]

Am I the only one not impressed with this card in the slightest (massively disappointed, if anything)?

People last year were screaming for the Big Pascal to be the second coming of Jesus -- "10x times faster than Maxwell with 16GB of HBM2!!!1!!!1!" So much so, I was contemplating swapping out my Titan X for the new one.

...and yet as I realistically expected, we got an even more hugely overpriced, cut down card.

Can someone please explain to me, what exactly is the point of this GPU? With HBM2 round the corner, this is effectively a massively overpriced stopgap card. If HBM2 becomes the new standard, any revision of GDDR5 will not quite cut it once devs start utilising that extra bandwidth. If AMD release theirs with 8GB of HBM2, as I hope they do -- Pascal's entire high-end line-up is going to be curb-stomped and more than likely refreshed like back in the G92 days of re-brands). Not only that -- the price of this thing is a joke...£1200? For real? I would not pay that much for this card if it came out this time last year (Titan X launched around the £800 mark, I got mine for ~£700ish) -- WTF are they thinking? And how the hell are they not being sued for anti-competitive tactics by cutting out all e-tailers (effectively nullifying any return warranties outside of 30 days for some countries that are not protected by something equivalent to the Distance Trading Regulations that we Brits get, for example)?

And worse still, how are people happy being sold a faulty card at this newly-set insane price, knowing it will be one-upped a few months to a year down the road with a fully-working version (or worse still, a fully unlocked TI version if/once AMD eventually deliver an equivalent)? At least with the last Titan, we got a fully working version on day one (which still performs pretty respectably to be honest, slotting right between the 1070 & 1080).

This is the sort of crap that will push me to make my next rig 100% AMD, especially if they deliver with Zen (I hope to god they do). Scumbag Nvidia has no originality left whatsoever and seem to be trying to take more pages from Intel's book of price hikes, after they launched their $1800 10x core CPU (and Ngreedia will keep pushing that price up, so long as enough people keep coughing up the cash), but even that was nowhere near the humongous ripoff that this card is. To make things even worse, they now have full control over the supply of this overpriced turd, so spreading FUD on news sites with their superficial "demand" by under-supplying even more -- i.e. releasing 5 cards for sale worldwide, then marking it sold out on their site worldwide and proclaiming everybody and their grandma is buying it up by generating false demand for a card that almost nobody cares about...

I really, REALLY hope someone sues them into the stone age for this sh*t, even more so than for their shady behaviour with the GTX 970's VRAM malarkey...for which I'm really glad that they got royally screwed right back. I don't ever want to deal with these scumbags directly if, god forbid, I need to get a replacement of some sort for my GPU down the line...considering what a complete mess this card's launch has been, even for the crazy people that wanted to, or tried to order it in the UK...

 

[Iluv2raceit]

Look at that Nvidia releases a monster card at a monster price and the stock cooler proves to be a heavy limiting factor well unless your okay with 100% fan speeds and loud noise. Custom water being the only option here... I have a feeling many will wait on the 1080Ti.

Why wait? The 1080Ti will be gimped in comparison. Nvidia learned their lesson from the 980Ti, so trust me the 1080Ti will not be the same story. It will have less CUDA cores at only 3072, only 8GB GDDR5X, but will get the 384-bit bus, and will have a price tag of $900. So, will it be as good a performer as the Titan X? No. But at least it will cost less