Nvidia's GPU market share hits 90% in Q4 2024 (gets closer to full monopoly)

[freeagent]

Maybe 90 series will change that, AMD seems pretty stoked about it.. enough to make sure there is enough to go around.. so maybe..

 

[WhenMusicAttacks]

When your economy is stagnating, people can't make the ends meet, asking so much money is insane.

Remember Radeon HD 4870 against GTX 480.
Do you know the story?

Radeon RX 7900 XT has no value at 705 bucks. Especially when that's the lowest price on Earth that you are lucky to see. In most countries around the globe the price is 30-40% higher than that.

Its fun to ask it when you clearly have no clue the 480 was battling the existing 5870.

 

[Onasi]

Maybe 90 series will change that, AMD seems pretty stoked about it.. enough to make sure there is enough to go around.. so maybe..

It won’t. The problem isn’t hardware and never has been. AMD cards are fine enough. The problem is the software ecosystem where they are behind NV by… honestly, I would say a decade. CUDA and OptiX are just on another level compare to anything AMD had. The fact that they fucked up multiple times, for example, making their own renderer for Blender with confusing versions and randomly dropping support for actually still relevant cards is one example. One friend of mine tried fucking around with an AMD card in his personal PC for Blender work and just gave up and went NV. It’s just not worth it.
That’s what a lot of Radeon advocates don’t understand - the massive market share of NV isn’t just because people are mindless sheep or reviewers are shills or whatever. They built up to this and earned their success, for the most part, by realizing early on that hardware is just one piece of the puzzle and arguably not even the most crucial one. And in serious applications those other pieces matter even more. Playing vidya is child stuff, it’s irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Any semi-decent card from any vendor from last two-three gens can play vidya reasonably fine if you aren’t frothing at the mouth about 4K Ultra Overkill Maxx Nightmare or whatever.

 

[WhenMusicAttacks]

FSR3 came 9 months after 7000 series....

Last disapoiment from AMD was Rx570 8GB for me. Never had anything newer. Black screen, textures not loading or textures loading with bad geometry and the fact that gaming clocks do not revert to P1 after exiting games made me give up on AMD cards.

They need at least 3 flawless generations to get back some of the bad drivers reputation for me. And day one drivers/software on product release not half a year later.

Cheers.

Oh boy i flipped so many cheap ass refurbished ex mining chinese 50 bucks Polaris cards in my entire life, might be over 50, only have 3 dead in my store. Out of the many more (id say more than 300, with a whole 50 Wx4100 and 50 wx5100 bought new old stock in 2023) brand new i bought - 2 XFX one died so far. Not ever seen a single Sapphire dead polaris in my life. Had a 7900xtx Pulse die on me as the only dead AMD after polaris dead card though... out of a hundred.

 

[WhenMusicAttacks]

Why would they exit a monopoly? You would make a bad capitalist.

What they are doing and will go on is very clear with the 5070 that is going to perfomr worst than the 4070 super.

video quality is bad but that is what they are doing: stretching the distance between low and high end as much as possible, to keep the xx90 tier card for building mindshare then cashing in with awful everything else using the smallest dies possible.

Weren't monopolist companies deconstructed (I don't know how to say it) back then in US, so they cease to have monopolies and are multiple smaller companies instead? Well won't happen here, but it would help. Now we're stuck with this monopoly and really almost nobody cares. I bet 5090 will cost 2000$ if not more, 5080 again 1200+ - Nvidia doesn't care, there is no competition this time. People will complain and then go and buy it. Sad. Successor of 4070 Ti / 4070 / 4060 Ti will all still be stuck at high pricing, like currently. Even the 4060 is overpriced but people buy all these products.

i am always shocked at how many people and will come to facebook pages or forums with that card being considered alongside even ryzen 7700x as a viable gaming gpu, when the 7800xt cost 80 euros more than the 8 gb and 10 euros less than the 16gb 4060ti here in italy, being 40% faster. The card is heavily promoted on amazon aswell, it is their tiny die milking product for the past generation, They will move it to the 5070 now aswell.

 

[eidairaman1]

Marketing? Who pays attention to that?

That is for sheep, don't be a sheep.

If AMD made a better product, more people would buy it, plain and simple.

What about the missing shaders on the 5090?

 

[Dr. Dro]

What about the missing shaders on the 5090?

It's not missing shaders, it's a small batch of defective cards that have an incorrect ROP configuration. These people are entitled to an RMA to solve the issue. I don't think anyone here will contest the fact that this launch is a complete crapshoot

 

[WhenMusicAttacks]

Most of AMD's wounds are self inflicted out if their sheer stubbornness and the stupidity of those who run the company's executive branch.

Like, their latest pea brained idea of deciding not to sell reference design MBA RX 9070 series cards. Why?

AMD confirms Radeon RX 9070 XT reference design won't be available for purchase - VideoCardz.com

AMD RX 9070 reference design not for sale The company has reinvited us today for the upcoming Radeon RX 9000 launch event, confirming one important detail. AMD has only once confirmed that there is something that looks like an official reference design. The so-called Made-By-AMD (MBA) design is...

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Have you ever seen a reference nvidia card? I have never in my entire life seen a 20, 30 or 40 series reference in real life, and i run a repair business with 2 employees. They are a fake product just like their fake prices. I have never seen an AMD reference aswell TBH, but had many friends in recent years buy them from the official website drops (they just didnt have any issue with their machines so far).

 

[Dr. Dro]

Have you ever seen a reference nvidia card? I have never in my entire life seen a 20, 30 or 40 series reference in real life, and i run a repair business with 2 employees. They are a fake product just like their fake prices. I have never seen an AMD reference aswell TBH, but had many friends in recent years buy them from the official website drops (they just didnt have any issue with their machines so far).

Yes, as a matter of fact, have one on my PC right now. Most of my NV GPUs were reference design models. The 2 Radeons I had that were reference design, were quite literally the only option available though (Vega FE and VII) that never had AIB models.

 

[WhenMusicAttacks]

why not have it all ?


it's not really better at anything atm.

The current nvidia cards below 1000 euros are all 12 gb OR the 4060ti. That is not enough to run raytracing with hig textures in CURRENT games, let alone future ones. AMD has such a better long term value it's not even close. And the fact that reviewers don't look at missing textures while benchmarking as shown by the 3070 vs 6800xt in 2023 video from HWUnboxed is a huge part of the problem.

Yes, as a matter of fact, have one on my PC right now. Most of my NV GPUs were reference design models. The 2 Radeons I had that were reference design, were quite literally the only option available though (Vega FE and VII) that never had AIB models.

Oh yeah, actually, i have got so many Radeon 7 in my life i forgot that these were ONLY reference. They came in XFX boxes though! Have got a dozen at least before the second mining craze, managed to sell the last one for a huge profit when they spiked.
Here, in italy, no one sells nvidia reference cards anywhere.

 

[Visible Noise]

Have you ever seen a reference nvidia card?

Yes. I’ve posted a picture of my reference RTX 4090. What do you think OEMs use?

 

[freeagent]

What about the missing shaders on the 5090?

I have no idea about the technical reasons.. maybe yield issues? Maybe software reporting issues? I have no idea. I haven't read much about it since my new job keeps me hopping, and I have a new computer that is keeping me a lot more entertained than hardware news

 

[Dr. Dro]

Oh yeah, actually, i have got so many Radeon 7 in my life i forgot that these were ONLY reference. They came in XFX boxes though! Have got a dozen at least before the second mining craze, managed to sell the last one for a huge profit when they spiked.
Here, in italy, no one sells nvidia reference cards anywhere.

Same in Brazil. The only reference boards available are professional line (my case right now, it's an RTX A2000). Not sure about Italy, but do know that at least Germany, France and the UK get Founders Edition cards.

 

[WhenMusicAttacks]

Yes. I’ve posted a picture of my reference RTX 4090. What do you think OEMs use?

OEMS use their own low TDP cards with dual slot undersized coolers and crappy VRM. I repair and tune HP and DELL prebuilts. These are not reference nvidia cards at all.

Same in Brazil. The only reference boards available are professional line (my case right now, it's an RTX A2000). Not sure about Italy, but do know that at least Germany, France and the UK get Founders Edition cards.

I have seen a store called LDLC selling them in france. Always out of stock though.

 

[Visible Noise]

OEMS use their own low TDP cards with dual slot undersized coolers and craoppy VRM. I repair and tune HP and DELL prebuilts. These are not reference nvidia cards at all.

Sorry, you‘re just plain wrong.

 

[WhenMusicAttacks]

Sorry, you‘re just plain wrong.

I just work on computers as a living, in fact i also buy a ton of shit from a Dell employee coming from their prebuilts. I have seen a dozen of broken dell cards. None were reference cards. Apparently the 40 series is better (but the guy has moved to switzerland after covid so i have just seen up to 30 series)

- still not a reference card.

 

[Bytorane]

I know personally quite a lot of 3D artists and modelers. Literally not a single one uses an AMD card. That’s not even a point of discussion in the industry, anyone unironically suggesting Radeons for Blender/Maya/3ds Max work would be laughed out of the room. One might say that’s just vendor lock, mind share, whatever, but when you look at something like this, yeaaaaah:

I know, but that's alot because of the CUDA ecosystem monopoly and AMD's lack of equivalent, not necessairly the hardware it self, a lot of it is on the client software side ... things are slowly improving, but if they'll ever improve to parity is a question.

 

[Visible Noise]

I just work on computers as a living, in fact i also buy a ton of shit from a Dell employee coming from their prebuilts. I have seen a dozen of broken dell cards. None were reference cards.

Good for you. I did that back in the 80’s, before I figured out the money is in software.

I must have a unicorn 4090 then.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I know, but that's alot because of the CUDA ecosystem monopoly and AMD's lack of equivalent, not necessairly the hardware it self, a lot of it is on the client software side ... things are slowly improving, but if they'll ever improve to parity is a question.

It can be done. But it's going to take a vast amount of engineering resources, involvement with software developers and an overall level of investment that AMD seems to be unwilling or unable to commit to at the moment.

 

[WhenMusicAttacks]

7900 XTX: Buggy silicon, undercooked and poorly supported by the drivers, the "fine wine" was really AMD taking a couple of years of driver releases to get to run more or less as it was intended to, owners were subject to ridiculously shoddy QA slipups like the VAC antilag incident

You can describe it as you want, getting better performance after release means that you will have better results than the launch reviews suggest against competing products. It also usually helps that AMD cards have higher VRAM at competing price points - look at 3070 vs 6800xt, where the AMD cards simply dominates even in raytracing games now because of that.

Never heard about the VAC antilag incident, but i know fully well that there were some months in 2023 i was not able to interactively stresstest my windows creative customers machines (the only ones i build with nvidia cards) with BF2042 (the only modern game i enjoy) as it was crashing with nvidia drivers. That was also reported by Der8auer in one of its reviews i think the 3070, but i guess that game was not important to anyone else.

I know personally quite a lot of 3D artists and modelers. Literally not a single one uses an AMD card. That’s not even a point of discussion in the industry, anyone unironically suggesting Radeons for Blender/Maya/3ds Max work would be laughed out of the room. One might say that’s just vendor lock, mind share, whatever, but when you look at something like this, yeaaaaah:
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What do you mean with that yeeah? It is widely known about self fulfilling prophecies, snowball effects and all these things. Am i going to suggest a professiona client to buy AMD? Not lately - i did when the radeon 7 was killing Quadro cards that costed 7 times the price on Davinci Resolve, not anymore. Is it because of all these factors (vendor lock, mind share, pure market share meaning developers wont ever care about AMD support) and not actual HW capabilities? Also mostly, also changing lately as RT and AI cores are actually a thing. Before Turing, compute was much stronger on GCN as open source / community driven stuff like mining easily show, or again Davinci (much better on Vega than Pascal and even Turing)

Good for you. I did that back in the 80’s, before I figured out the money is in software.

I must have a unicorn 4090 then.

What OEM prebuilt did you get your 4090 in? What brand does that?

 

[Visible Noise]

Never heard about the VAC antilag incident

Enabling AMD Anti-Lag+ in Counter Strike 2 Will Get You Banned

With the release of AMD Software Adrenalin drivers version 23.10.1 WHQL, AMD has added Anti-Lag+ support for Counter Strike 2, but it appears that this will only result in a VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat) ban. Apparently, the Anti-Lag+ feature is implemented by detouring engine dll functions, and any...

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look at 3070 vs 6800xt,where the AMD cards simply dominates even in raytracing games now because of that.

Yes, let’s:

MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X OC Review

NVIDIA has launched the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti today, lifting the review embargo. The MSI RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X comes at NVIDIA MSRP of $750, yet includes a small factory overclock. In terms of performance, the Ventus is able to compete with RTX 4080 Super and RX 7900 XTX.

www.techpowerup.com

Funny though that you didn’t compare the 3070 to the 5700, you know, the same generation. How’s that 5700 doing in ray traced games? Oh, wait…

What OEM prebuilt did you get your 4090 in? What brand does that?

Dell RTX 4090 OEM Specs

NVIDIA AD102, 2520 MHz, 16384 Cores, 512 TMUs, 176 ROPs, 24576 MB GDDR6X, 1313 MHz, 384 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Because... AMD hasn't made a better card than Nvidia in recent memory. They came close to it with RDNA 2 and Navi 21, but... the last time they truly had a GPU that beat the pants out of NV's flagship while being cheaper was with Hawaii back in 2013 (290X vs. Titan)

390X: Grenada was a memory doubled re-release of Hawaii, it offered absolutely nothing new. Most of its proposal hinged on value, and the fact that this was a very good card vs. the GTX 980 despite being earlier generation technology.
Fury X: Despite the new tech behind the Fiji core, 4 GB hampered the card, poorly marketed (4 GB HBM = 12 GB GDDR5). Driver support dropped unceremoniously 6 years to the clock.
Polaris: GTX 980-like gaming performance, years behind. Its appeal to gamers hinged solely on price, eventually mass marketed to cryptocurrency miners. "Wait for Vega"
Vega and VII: "Poor Volta", pretty much got bodied by their Pascal contemporaries, especially the 1080 Ti. "Wait for RDNA"
5700 XT: Hilariously problematic silicon, black screen issues that took driver devs a full year to debug and workaround, several hardware steppings issued throughout its production run, still got bodied by Turing, sure it was far more affordable, but it's downlevel hardware, doesn't qualify for DirectX 12 Ultimate... you can argue Turing + RT isn't worth it all day, won't change that
6900 XT: Great card, sadly released under horrible market conditions, this card was far more of a hit than a miss, and I'd say the best thing AMD has released since Hawaii
7900 XTX: Buggy silicon, undercooked and poorly supported by the drivers, the "fine wine" was really AMD taking a couple of years of driver releases to get to run more or less as it was intended to, owners were subject to ridiculously shoddy QA slipups like the VAC antilag incident

I just can't follow this "better cheaper cards than Nvidia" because it frankly, hasn't happened in practically 12 years



Normies very much do buy GPUs, and build gaming PCs. It's not nearly as gatekept as one would argue, stuff is made to be easy to access nowadays and there's lots of tech resources to help those who are new, from forums to Discord to YouTube.

MBA cards have been available even here in Brazil. In fact, you can still buy new in box, AMD-branded 6750 XT's here. Nvidia FE availability is bad, sure, I'll agree. But they do have them available.

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Projetada para rodar jogos modernos em alta resolução (1440p) com configurações exigentes. Compre já!

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As for the cult... I won't go there. It's just needless flinging.

If you only want to go back to when "RT started" sure but that's not the true if you go further back.

The HD 5870 was better than the GTX 480. & was the first card to support tessellation.

People still bought the hot, overpriced GTX 480 Over the HD 5870 even when they had 2Gb model out, & waited for the GTX 580 refresh 8 months later.

If you want to cherry pick for "RT" only sure.

 

[Visible Noise]

If you only want to go back to when "RT started" sure but that's not the true if you go further back.

The HD 5870 was better than the GTX 480. & was the first card to support tessellation.

People still bought the hot, overpriced GTX 480 Over the HD 5870 even when they had 2Gb model out, & waited for the GTX 580 refresh 8 months later.

If you want to cherry pick for "RT" only sure.

5870 is from 2009. You had to go back 16 years to make an “AMD is better than Nvidia” argument?

Talk about self-ownage, you literally just reinforced his argument.

- still not a reference card.

JFC. Did you actually watch the video you posted? 39 seconds in he says it’s a reference card. And then says it again 10 seconds later.

Even more self-ownage. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

5870 is from 2009. You had to go back 16 years to make an “AMD is better than Nvidia” argument?

Talk about self-ownage, you literally just reinforced his argument.

Why does it matter how many years back it was
IT STILL FACTS & can be proven true.

You still completely ignored the other half of my comment where I said it doesn't matter if AMD makes/made a better card the consumer is dumb & will continue to buy Nvidia cards even when AMD cards are priced 30% less while retaining a comfortable performance lead of 10% or more over Nvidia Even when they use less power.

Nothing has changed from 16 years ago because the consumer is dumb as box of rocks "Hur dur dur buy Nvidia it's the best out there." That is literally the mentality of consumers for the past 20 years on GPU from AMD vs Nvidia.

Regardless of how good a card or how much cheaper AMD makes =

 

[eidairaman1]

If you only want to go back to when "RT started" sure but that's not the true if you go further back.

The HD 5870 was better than the GTX 480. & was the first card to support tessellation.

People still bought the hot, overpriced GTX 480 Over the HD 5870 even when they had 2Gb model out, & waited for the GTX 580 refresh 8 months later.

If you want to cherry pick for "RT" only sure.

Ah yes the days of Thermi, rtx 4000/5000 seems to be a repeat of those days, lets add detonator drivers too.