NVIDIA's Next Gen GPU Launch Held Back to Drain Excess, Costly Built-up Inventory?

[las]

7nm please. Not some half-baked 12nm crap.

 

[efikkan]

7nm please. Not some half-baked 12nm crap.

If TSMC 7nm goes according to plan, we should see volume shipments from Q1 2019, and probably reaching full production volume near the end of 2019. But this is the optimistic timeline.

 

[cadaveca]

I just want to point out that Asus is not a major OEM, they mostly sell retail boards. Major OEMs include (but not limited to) Dell, Lenovo, HP, etc.

Those companies are based in Taiwan? I think not... Dell is American. HP... American. Lenovo is Chinese. You're way off base here with that idea, actually.

a "top three" Taiwan OEM returning 300,000 GPUs to NVIDIA,

 

[jabbadap]

Those companies are based in Taiwan? I think not... Dell is American. HP... American. Lenovo is Chinese. You're way off base here with that idea, actually.

Yeah agree,top three from taiwan are MSI, Gigabyte and Asus. All of them have nvidia crypto currency mining cards too.

 

[John Naylor]

We now live in the world of "is gonna" .... "Mantle is gonna change everything", it didn't .... HBM is gonna change everything", it didn't. Until folks stop sitting on "is gonnas", the market will follow predictable paths. Despite all the claims to the contrary, pricing of GFX cards has remained remarkably consistent over almost 2 decades.

https://images.hardocp.com/images/news/1489189662xrJkzvohX8_1_1.png

The recent mining related price gouging has more to do with retailers and miner's preferences for AIB cards than it does it does with OEM stock and pricing. It's hard to guess what's going on as leaks are subject to nefarious intent ... Saw an article recently about the subject which noted 20-25% of AMD stock trades are selling AMD short. When ya see that, have to be suspect of the doom and gloom articles.

The media's focus on GPU nm and CPU cores is wasted print of gaming enthusiasts ... I have been seeing "Soon games will need more cores" for over a decade but that still has not proven to be of great significance with only rare instances of games able to show significant effects by turning of 1 or 2 cores on an i5.

The strategy that nVidia seems to like is to wait till AMD to show its hand, and then set up their naming convention and pricing accordingly. They didn't need to put out an answer to vega so not having a new release in 2 years puts us in unfamiliar territory. I also think what's been holding things up is the release of 144n Hz 4k screens ... until those drop and subsequently become affordable, hard to get very excited about a new top tier card. It hasn't been too long since there would be a plethora of posts proclaiming "you can't see any difference over 60 fps" ... and not so long before that was "you can't see any difference over 30 fps"I couldn't use my original beta too cause it said.

In short, I can't find anything that gives me confidence ona release date other then ;late summer so as to allow AIB production is well along in time for holiday shopping season.

 

[GhostRyder]

I am bored waiting for the next generation at this point. Open to anything at this point that can best their current top (And not be super expensive like Titan V). Almost at the point of picking up a second card because BF V is coming out and I need more power to run it.

Normally I skip a generation with my purchases but man I have sat on this card for so long now I am thinking I will actually buy the next gen cards lol.

 

[ppn]

Yeah GTX 1080 at 449. It is starting to happen. New gen is imminent. boycott or buy card now. you decide the prices of next gen, setting the bar now. 1050/1060's depleting faster than expected.

 

[jabbadap]

I am bored waiting for the next generation at this point. Open to anything at this point that can best their current top (And not be super expensive like Titan V). Almost at the point of picking up a second card because BF V is coming out and I need more power to run it.

Normally I skip a generation with my purchases but man I have sat on this card for so long now I am thinking I will actually buy the next gen cards lol.

http://instagr.am/p/BkX0w2UnR_x/ Hmmm...

 

[TheGuruStud]

Yeah GTX 1080 at 449. It is starting to happen. New gen is imminent. boycott or buy card now. you decide the prices of next gen, setting the bar now. 1050/1060's depleting faster than expected.

There still hasn't been one report of a 12nm order and there's a billion cards or they wouldn't be at MSRP already.

 

[cyneater]

Only if AMD had something to compete.. drop it now...
Watch Nvidia discount and release new stuff...

back to the real world...

where a GTX 1060 is more expensive than when it was released well in the AU anyway.

 

[las]

If TSMC 7nm goes according to plan, we should see volume shipments from Q1 2019, and probably reaching full production volume near the end of 2019. But this is the optimistic timeline.

Nah TSMC 7nm is already ready. Most recent rumours are hinting at Nvidia using TSMC 7nm for next release. These chips are not huge. Yields should be fine. After all AMD has working huge 7nm TSMC dies..

Nvidia can do 7nm + GDDR6 in Q3-Q4 this year. If they want to. No competition tho.

Pascal is over 2 years now and it was nothing but tweaked Maxwell + shrink anyway. We need something new soon.

 

[efikkan]

Nah TSMC 7nm is already ready. Most recent rumours are hinting at Nvidia using TSMC 7nm for next release. These chips are not huge. Yields should be fine. After all AMD has working huge 7nm TSMC dies..

Nvidia can do 7nm + GDDR6 in Q3-Q4 this year. If they want to. No competition tho.

No, TSMC is starting production now, which means the wafers are entering the production line, not leaving it. Complex designs like GPUs and desktop CPUs take about 4 months to make, which means AMD may get the first batches of volume production in late October or later. Then they will begin the process of shipping samples to partners (board makers, etc.), researchers and eventually priority customers. These are commonly known as "Qualification Samples", even though they are still marked as "Engineering Samples". You can consider these the "release candidate" of the product, and if they are considered good enough will be identical with the final product. If they are not validated, then add at least another 4 months to the release cycle.

TSMC 7nm (high power chips) will ship production volumes in Q1 2019, if things go according to plan. The total volume will be fairly limited, so both AMD and Nvidia will have to prioritize which products to ship first. Nvidia will likely prioritize their next datacenter GPUs.

Pascal is over 2 years now and it was nothing but tweaked Maxwell + shrink anyway. We need something new soon.

TSMC 7nm will not be shipping high enough volumes for such consumer parts until 2H 2019, which would make Pascal ~3.5 years old. This is why Nvidia will be shipping their next consumer product on TSMC "12nm".

 

[jabbadap]

Well now Techspot Steve(Rest is just satire, no real info there) said that the 300k gpus aren't from AIBs, it's from TSMC.

 

[las]

No, TSMC is starting production now, which means the wafers are entering the production line, not leaving it. Complex designs like GPUs and desktop CPUs take about 4 months to make, which means AMD may get the first batches of volume production in late October or later. Then they will begin the process of shipping samples to partners (board makers, etc.), researchers and eventually priority customers. These are commonly known as "Qualification Samples", even though they are still marked as "Engineering Samples". You can consider these the "release candidate" of the product, and if they are considered good enough will be identical with the final product. If they are not validated, then add at least another 4 months to the release cycle.

TSMC 7nm (high power chips) will ship production volumes in Q1 2019, if things go according to plan. The total volume will be fairly limited, so both AMD and Nvidia will have to prioritize which products to ship first. Nvidia will likely prioritize their next datacenter GPUs.


TSMC 7nm will not be shipping high enough volumes for such consumer parts until 2H 2019, which would make Pascal ~3.5 years old. This is why Nvidia will be shipping their next consumer product on TSMC "12nm".

Okay, well I can wait. I doubt 12nm + GDDR6 is going to bring much speed over 1080 Ti, unless chip is big or new arch.

12nm would allow Nvidia to milk before AMD's 7nm GPU's and then Nvidia can release 7nm as answer..

I want competition in GPU market again...

 

[efikkan]

Okay, well I can wait. I doubt 12nm + GDDR6 is going to bring much speed over 1080 Ti, unless chip is big or new arch.

12nm would allow Nvidia to milk before AMD's 7nm GPU's and then Nvidia can release 7nm as answer..

I want competition in GPU market again...

The medium chip "GV104" will probably outperform GTX 1080 Ti by a small margin, and they also have the big chip.

Remember that Pascal was introduced due to a delay of Volta, bringing some of the improvements of Volta. The full architecture will support raytracing among other improvements.

I'll take a small improvement over no improvement any day. We need the industry to keep pushing forward, not wait for AMD to play catch-up.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

You know what would help relive a glut of inventory? PRICE CUTS.

geforce GPUs are still going for more then MSRP 2 years later. the prices are insane.

 

[jabbadap]

The medium chip "GV104" will probably outperform GTX 1080 Ti by a small margin, and they also have the big chip.

Remember that Pascal was introduced due to a delay of Volta, bringing some of the improvements of Volta. The full architecture will support raytracing among other improvements.

I'll take a small improvement over no improvement any day. We need the industry to keep pushing forward, not wait for AMD to play catch-up.

Not so sure what were delayed and what not. Volta was always targeted to Summit, Nvidia had obligations to make it ready in time. It's rather that Pascal were made after TSMC cocked up 20nm planar process so they forced Nvidia to split Maxwell in two.

You know what would help relive a glut of inventory? PRICE CUTS.

geforce GPUs are still going for more then MSRP 2 years later. the prices are insane.

They have to make product of that inventory first. Those are GPUs what they have excess inventory, not whole graphics cards.

 

[Fx]

How terrible for Nvidia

Hehe. I know right. I don't feel bad for them at all. I used to pay hundreds less for a top-tier card. In 2015, I paid $670 for a 980Ti; there is no way in hell that a 1080Ti should be going for $870 and that has come down only recently...

Wow! So after looking back, in 2007, I paid $339 for an EVGA 8800GT. It is just ridiculous these days even after factoring in inflation.

 

[Xzibit]

HardOCP: NVIDIA Looks to Gag Journalists with Multi-Year Blanket NDAs

 

[las]

The medium chip "GV104" will probably outperform GTX 1080 Ti by a small margin, and they also have the big chip.

Remember that Pascal was introduced due to a delay of Volta, bringing some of the improvements of Volta. The full architecture will support raytracing among other improvements.

I'll take a small improvement over no improvement any day. We need the industry to keep pushing forward, not wait for AMD to play catch-up.

It sounds like TSMC has recieved Nvidia orders on 7nm node. I guess we will know more soon.
The "big chip" aka Ti will probably first be out in 2H 2019 or 2020. Ti usually launches 1 year after the "small chip".
I have a buyer ready for this 1080 Ti, so I'm going "1180/2080" ASAP and I really hope it's 7nm.

 

[Th3pwn3r]

Okay, well I can wait. I doubt 12nm + GDDR6 is going to bring much speed over 1080 Ti, unless chip is big or new arch.

12nm would allow Nvidia to milk before AMD's 7nm GPU's and then Nvidia can release 7nm as answer..

I want competition in GPU market again...

If history repeats Nvidia won't have to answer to anything.

Also, upgrading might not really be worth it from a raw performance point. Should draw less power though.