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Patent War Brewing Between Intel and Qualcomm-Microsoft over x86 Emulation

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* In 2003, VIA settled its long-time patent and monopolisation disputes against Intel in the UK in exchange for an extensive cross-licence agreement with Intel for 10 years.
source: http://ec.europa.eu/competition/sect...l_decision.pdf

* In addition, the FTC settlement order will require Intel to:

modify its intellectual property agreements with AMD, Nvidia, and VIA so that those companies have more freedom to consider mergers or joint ventures with other companies, without the threat of being sued by Intel for patent infringement;
offer to extend VIA’s x86 licensing agreement for five years beyond the current agreement, which expires in 2013;
source: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/pres...-against-intel

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About VIA Alliance Semiconductor Co Ltd. - 上海兆芯集成电路有限公司 (ZHAOXIN)

VIA Alliance Semiconductor Co., Ltd. was established in April 2013 with a total registered capital of USD$250M. As a joint venture between Shanghai Alliance Investment Ltd. who is affiliated to Shanghai SASAC and VIA Technologies, Inc., VIA Alliance Semiconductor Co., Ltd. has about 1000 employees and locates its headquarter at Zhangjiang of Shanghai with branches in Beijing, Hangzhou, Wuhan, Shenzhen, Taiwan, California and Texas of America (Centaur Technology Inc.).

With the forefront technologies and know-how in the design of CPU, GPU and chipsets, VIA Alliance Semiconductor Co., Ltd. is well known to provide high security, high performance, low power dissipation, and low cost SoC solutions.

As a fabless SoC factory, VIA Alliance Semiconductor Co., Ltd. adopts advanced 40nm and 28nm semiconductor processes. VIA Alliance Semiconductor Co., Ltd.’s main products include CPU and chipsets for desktop PC and laptop and ARM Cortex series SoC with its state of the art Elite series GPU and Video Engine IPs. VIA Alliance Semiconductor Co., Ltd. aims at becoming the leading SoC solution supplier for smart TV (TVOS), smart phone and tablets.


link: http://en.zhaoxin.com/

Current x86 Product
source:
http://en.zhaoxin.com/Solution.aspx?id=3


• (2017): ZX-D (28nm) 2.0GHz QuadCore and 2.0GHz OctaCore
link:
http://en.zhaoxin.com/InCenterContent.aspx?id=115
link: http://en.zhaoxin.com/InCenterContent.aspx?id=112
link: http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_s...e0ddedcba39eae88f0cdfddbbedbe6d6f083be86&l=en

• (2018): ZX-E (16nm) up to 3.0GHz OctaCore

Will after AMD comeback also VIA processors comeback? FinFET’s going chips and a large modernization

source:
https://translate.google.sk/translate?hl=sk&sl=cs&tl=en&u=https://www.cnews.cz/bude-po-comebacku-amd-navrat-procesoru-via-chysta-finfetove-cipy-velkou-modernizaci/

So yeah, these are for the Chinese market, not likely to be available outside of China.
Let's see if they can deliver their new chips next year at a competitive level.
 
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No, stupidity is the new church.

Intel has only stagnated in desktop CPU performance. Because they were left unchallenged in that area. But guess what? They made huge strides in the mobile space and they seriously beefed up their IGPs (they're not at Radeon level, but they're way better than GMA900). Faulting Intel for stagnating in an already stagnant market, is short sighted at best.

Since when is to not being challenged an excuse for stagnation?
In relation to the invested amount of money and ressoures regarding engineering manpower their IGPs are still crap.
And "huge strides in mobile space" mean Atom or what? I guess you talking the i3/i5/i7 XXXXU CPUs with 15W TDP? They are in a complete different league regarding power consumption compared with ARM and Atom stuff (< 7W TDP). Please compare apples to apples here.
 

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Since when is to not being challenged an excuse for stagnation?
In relation to the invested amount of money and ressoures regarding engineering manpower their IGPs are still crap.
And "huge strides in mobile space" mean Atom or what? I guess you talking the i3/i5/i7 XXXXU CPUs with 15W TDP? They are in a complete different league regarding power consumption compared with ARM and Atom stuff (< 7W TDP). Please compare apples to apples here.
My intention wasn't to compare apples with apples, it was to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. If you need to nit and pick to prove your point, knock yourself out.

And to answer your first question, Intel does not need an "excuse for stagnation". They're not a government research agency, they're a public company. They only need an excuse for not making money for their shareholders.
 
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Emulation is only a crime when you use intellectual property of the party you are emulating or use their patents. For example, Apple would not be happy if someone emulated the Apple store and hoodwinked their app database. It's essentially stealing their marketplace, even though it took Apple a long time to build up all of those developers, apps, and underlying software. The same applies to x86, where Intel is not only significantly invested on the hardware side but on the software side as well. Intel compilers, dev programs, ect. It's like giving out free candy as "CandyCorp" and then someone else stealing that name and using that goodwill to sell candy based on that first impression.

So all those x86 emulators that are open source out there are illegal?

I find that hard to accept.
 
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Well, long live UWP then and fck Intel.

If M$ gives developers proper incentives, I am sure this is doable.
 
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So all those x86 emulators that are open source out there are illegal?

I find that hard to accept.

Well Open source means they are not profiting from the code.

And Intel only gives a shit if someone profits from their patents.
Logically.

M$ would want to profit as would the chip manufacturers. So it is a no go.
 
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ARM holdings (or a large part thereof) was acquired by Saudi Arabia sheik/prince/whatever so ARM is hanging in the balance... Intel will be just fine and x86 will be as well...
Japanese company Softbank acquired ARM holdings.

From http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/softbank-and-saudis-launch-largest-tech-investment-vehicle-ever.html
An investment group that includes Japan's SoftBank and Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth arm announced on Saturday it had closed $93 billion in capital.

In addition to SoftBank and the Saudi kingdom's public investment fund, whose roles were previously announced, investors in Softbank Vision Fund include the Mubadala Investment
Company of the United Arab Emirates, Apple, Foxconn Technology Group, Qualcomm and Sharp.
 
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As it should, maybe intel should of doubled up IPC and overall performance at, let me say same power envelope, the lease, after every tick-tock or whatever their plan was ,( I do not know who I Am quoting:"Shoot first; no questions") performance wise that is.
Ah and wasn't it to long ago when I /(we'd) thought multicore CPU gaming is the future and here we are as if nothing changed much(except the clisee games multicore done quite bad, pretty much all, and quite the same would go for Gpus: here you go when you open up gpu-z: big numbers, but we made up a name for some graphics effect that taxes graphics card. if only pay me,blow me,pay me,..., considering price's, le: and wasted time of consumers.
 

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Well, long live UWP then
Yeeeeaaahhhh....._Im not really sure you understand how bad that would be for those of us that are gamers.
 
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