Path of Exile 2 Security Breach Blindsides Players With Lost Loot As Developer Remains Silent

[R0H1T]

So much ado about nothing, meanwhile you've had

https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/us-treasurys-workstations-hacked-cyberattack-by-china-afp-reports-2024-12-30/

 

[Vayra86]

I never felt other people looking flashy put any pressure on me.
Stash tabs... Yes, that always comes up. It's the only thing you can buy that will net you an advantage. But the advantage is you can hoard and categorize stuff, it's not directly linked to gameplay. They become a requirement eventually. But by the time they do, you've already played enough of the game that the few $$$ you throw the devs way are (imho) just a small token of gratitude for the time already spent in the game. And tabs were discounted almost all the time. Checking right now, you can get 6 regular tabs for $15 or 6 premium tabs for $20 (full price). That used to be a lot. Though it seems quite a few other stash tab types have popped up since I quit.

TL;DR Yes, stash tabs mean you will have to spend if you want to keep advancing. No, I still don't see that as p2w (but I understand why others might).

What I have seen in PoE1 seems to take a turn for the worse in number 2. Its escalating, and since its also a full reset, killing your entire progression from one game to the next, that does put a different lens on this game for me and paid EA is just another example.

Its a shame but it seems money corrupts here, too. I liked PoE a lot better when it offered less and as a result demanded less.

 

[JustBenching]

This is a paid EA for a F2P game. Make a contribution is one way to put it. But these players were also getting a headstart, in a way buying a bit of pay to win. Im not a fan of those practices... they arent going to wipe accounts for the real release right? Thats dirty AF.

The first PoE had the monetary part done quite well but also kept pushing more and more new 'kinda have to pay to play' elements for example by simply flooding your stash with new collectibles/materials.

There is no head start, this is not an MMO. It's a single player game basically. Not only that, but it's season based, when the game officially releases it will go alongside a new season, so nobody will have no headstart regardless.

 

[bug]

What I have seen in PoE1 seems to take a turn for the worse in number 2. Its escalating, and since its also a full reset, killing your entire progression from one game to the next, that does put a different lens on this game for me and paid EA is just another example.

Its a shame but it seems money corrupts here, too. I liked PoE a lot better when it offered less and as a result demanded less.

I can't really comment on PoE2. I don't have a Steam account and don't plan on getting one. If the game will be available like the initial PoE, I might give it a try. Big if, considering my lack of time.
What I was trying to say is I've played the first one from beta all the way to the removal of difficulty levels and restructuring into 10 chapters. What I found was:
- enjoyable experience
- very intimidating skill tree, but a warm feeling when figuring out a good build
- end game content kind of accessible for SSF (couldn't reach many areas, unfortunately)
- difficulty would scale to insane levels (I imagine that also gave a warm feeling to those able to overcome that)
- had to buy stash, several times. didn't feel like p2w, but rather like rewarding the devs for giving me something I still wanted to play

The only part I didn't enjoy is nothing to do with PoE, but with online titles in general: eventually the game takes a back seat and your primary concern has to be trading. And not trading like exchange X for Y item. I mean stock exchange level of watching the prices, hoarding "currency" and trying to score a good deal. It's what all online titles have to do to keep items from flooding the game, but unfortunately that is something I never got into.

 

[JustBenching]

I can't really comment on PoE2. I don't have a Steam account and don't plan on getting one. If the game will be available like the initial PoE, I might give it a try. Big if, considering my lack of time.
What I was trying to say is I've played the first one from beta all the way to the removal of difficulty levels and restructuring into 10 chapters. What I found was:
- enjoyable experience
- very intimidating skill tree, but a warm feeling when figuring out a good build
- end game content kind of accessible for SSF (couldn't reach many areas, unfortunately)
- difficulty would scale to insane levels (I imagine that also gave a warm feeling to those able to overcome that)
- had to buy stash, several times. didn't feel like p2w, but rather like rewarding the devs for giving me something I still wanted to play

The only part I didn't enjoy is nothing to do with PoE, but with online titles in general: eventually the game takes a back seat and your primary concern has to be trading. And not trading like exchange X for Y item. I mean stock exchange level of watching the prices, hoarding "currency" and trying to score a good deal. It's what all online titles have to do to keep item from flooding the game, but unfortunately that is something I never got into.

SSF is way more enjoyable than trade league so you don't have to worry about any of that.

 

[bug]

SSF is way more enjoyable than trade league so you don't have to worry about any of that.

And I didn't. But with the drop rates being what they were it also meant I wasn't able to access many, many end-game areas (e.g. never made it to Atziri, unable to pass those 3 bosses before reaching her). It was still enjoyable, played it for years. But at some point I just had to admit I wasn't really making progress anymore.

 

[Vayra86]

Yeah I never got into the whole trading thing either, and as a result also never into top end builds but its true, you can get far with SSF, and its good fun along the way. I recognize all of what you said about PoE1. I've spent a good 500 hours in it, too, but somehow the second installment doesn't seem to make things better. In fact, I'm wondering why there even needs to be one. A content update would have been much of the same thing. It looks to be a marketing move and one that allows GGG to start with a clean slate in the economy, mostly. What turned me away from the game is mostly that besides its base complexity (which is fine to me), they also keep making changes to it. Adding new stuff is fine, but when it also overhauls a lot of the old... its a problem. That can happen once. But continuously? Eh...

In other words, where is the justification from the game/mechanical side of things for a part two? The graphics are the same. The engine is the same. We saw new content within the first part as well. The only justification that is left is allowing GGG to reset the economy and as a result, earn the same money all over again doing practically the same thing. I don't see how I benefit from that as a player at all. This tastes a lot like Destiny > Destiny 2. Realistically it is just the fact that the game is online and must be 'kept up' that justifies all of those influences on gameplay - none of which really benefit players or are nice on your play time.

Anyway. I guess its my gut feeling coloring my posts here. I could be wrong. Very often, I'm not...

 

[bug]

Yeah I never got into the whole trading thing either, and as a result also never into top end builds but its true, you can get far with SSF, and its good fun along the way. I recognize all of what you said about PoE1. I've spent a good 500 hours in it, too, but somehow the second installment doesn't seem to make things better. In fact, I'm wondering why there even needs to be one. A content update would have been much of the same thing. It looks to be a marketing move and one that allows GGG to start with a clean slate in the economy, mostly.

In other words, where is the justification from the game/mechanical side of things for a part two? The graphics are the same. The engine is the same. We saw new content within the first part as well. The only justification that is left is allowing GGG to reset the economy and as a result, earn the same money all over again doing practically the same thing. I don't see how I benefit from that as a player at all. This tastes a lot like Destiny > Destiny 2.

Anyway. I guess its my gut feeling coloring my posts here. I could be wrong. Very often, I'm not...

Ha, I had the same thoughts. I figured maybe I didn't read the announcements right and if I played the game I would see what makes PoE2 different. GGG did a good job with the first one, so I'll just have to trust they know what they're doing for the time being.

 

[DAOWAce]

This is a paid EA for a F2P game. Make a contribution is one way to put it. But these players were also getting a headstart, in a way buying a bit of pay to win. Im not a fan of those practices... they arent going to wipe accounts for the real release right? Thats dirty AF.

The first PoE had the monetary part done quite well but also kept pushing more and more new 'kinda have to pay to play' elements for example by simply flooding your stash with new collectibles/materials.

Got a really contrived view on things, mate.

If you know about PoE1, then you should know about PoE2.. and you clearly don't, which means you didn't play PoE1 despite saying you have "500 hours in it" and instead are just complaining about things, especially as the "first post" in the replies... and funnily enough the second poster also complaining too with no knowledge of the game. Modern twitter audience.

Stop it. Life is better when you try to enjoy it.

Diablo 4 was $100 for early access and the game was dogwater.
PoE2 EA is $30 and you get $30 worth of currency to use in the MTX store (across both games), which is 99% cosmetics that don't affect gameplay in any meaningful way, and the game is great with an extended and competent endgame (something D4 lacked), which follows GGG's 12 year track record with PoE1.

I don't see any reason to further pick apart your replies and comment on individual things that are either factually wrong or subjectively misguided.

I'm here to collect info on this "security flaw", which I've yet to find any concrete evidence on what's happening besides people with lax security getting their accounts broken into. Of course, nobody in the comments has any information either and is just posting about their opinions of the game instead of the topic, no thanks to the first replies people read when they get to the end.

 

[ratirt]

What I have seen in PoE1 seems to take a turn for the worse in number 2. Its escalating, and since its also a full reset, killing your entire progression from one game to the next, that does put a different lens on this game for me and paid EA is just another example.

Its a shame but it seems money corrupts here, too. I liked PoE a lot better when it offered less and as a result demanded less.

No. Why would you say that? I played PoE1 for a long time and there were no problems with donating real money for the benefit of having something better than others. You could get skins etc. but that didnt change the course of action. PoE1 and PoE2 are like Grim Dawn a bit or at least resembles that game a lot which is also one of my favorite and I know you have played it as well.
Not sure why you dont like PoE franchise but it is definitely not because of money donation and advantages that you might get from it.

Got a really contrived view on things, mate.

If you know about PoE1, then you should know about PoE2.. and you clearly don't, which means you didn't play PoE1 despite saying you have "500 hours in it" and instead are just complaining about things, especially as the "first post" in the replies... and funnily enough the second poster also complaining too with no knowledge of the game. Modern twitter audience.

Stop it. Life is better when you try to enjoy it.

Diablo 4 was $100 for early access and the game was dogwater.
PoE2 EA is $30 and you get $30 worth of currency to use in the MTX store (across both games), which is 99% cosmetics that don't affect gameplay in any meaningful way, and the game is great with an extended and competent endgame (something D4 lacked), which follows GGG's 12 year track record with PoE1.

I don't see any reason to further pick apart your replies and comment on individual things that are either factually wrong or subjectively misguided.

I'm here to collect info on this "security flaw", which I've yet to find any concrete evidence on what's happening besides people with lax security getting their accounts broken into. Of course, nobody in the comments has any information either and is just posting about their opinions of the game instead of the topic, no thanks to the first replies people read when they get to the end.

That is so true.
I'm playing PoE1 and when PoE2 showed up, instantly bought early access. Love the game and play it whenever have time PoE2, currently in the 2nd act and I like it. I'm still learning it a bit since it has changed a tad from the PoE1.

 

[JustBenching]

to reset the economy and as a result, earn the same money all over again doing practically the same thing.

Not true, all your stash tabs cosmetics etc you bought in POE1 transfer to POE2.

 

[ratirt]

Not true, all your stash tabs cosmetics etc you bought in POE1 transfer to POE2.

Can you transfer stuff from PoE1 to PoE2? I didnt do that to be honest. I'm not sure I want to. I'm talking about gear found in game.

 

[JustBenching]

Can you transfer stuff from PoE1 to PoE2? I didnt do that to be honest. I'm not sure I want to. I'm talking about gear found in game.

No, not gear, but everything that you spent money on in POE1 transfers to POE2

 

[ratirt]

No, not gear, but everything that you spent money on in POE1 transfers to POE2

Oh OK.
I didn't spend a dime on anything in the PoE1 so I'm good the way it is. Although, I would use some of the items I got in PoE1 though. Damn, it would make things simpler when playing now

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

they arent going to wipe accounts for the real release right? Thats dirty AF.

They will launch a new league, putting current accounts in standard league that a low limited amount of players play.
on the other hand you should expect a wipe for full release. it is an mmo after all, I played Rift beta and even that far back they wiped for launch. So I;d consider this a paid Beta rather than an actual EA.

 

[Vayra86]

No, not gear, but everything that you spent money on in POE1 transfers to POE2

That's nice, and encouraging. So you'll keep your stash tabs? How does that work in relation to the rather arcane materials they've added over time? Those are all going to stay? Or are they actually phased out, but yeah you have them for shits and giggles? Are the tabs emptied?

No. Why would you say that? I played PoE1 for a long time and there were no problems with donating real money for the benefit of having something better than others. You could get skins etc. but that didnt change the course of action. PoE1 and PoE2 are like Grim Dawn a bit or at least resembles that game a lot which is also one of my favorite and I know you have played it as well.
Not sure why you dont like PoE franchise but it is definitely not because of money donation and advantages that you might get from it.

I do like the PoE franchise. I just don't see why PoE2 is required.

Got a really contrived view on things, mate.

If you know about PoE1, then you should know about PoE2.. and you clearly don't, which means you didn't play PoE1 despite saying you have "500 hours in it" and instead are just complaining about things, especially as the "first post" in the replies... and funnily enough the second poster also complaining too with no knowledge of the game. Modern twitter audience.

Stop it. Life is better when you try to enjoy it.

Lmao, believe whatever you want buddy. I just disconnected from PoE1 over a year ago, and what 2 showed me wasn't enough to bring me back, yet.

 

[JustBenching]

That's nice, and encouraging. So you'll keep your stash tabs? How does that work in relation to the rather arcane materials they've added over time? Those are all going to stay? Or are they actually phased out, but yeah you have them for shits and giggles? Are the tabs emptied?

You get to keep every single thing you spend money on, including skins. It's still in early access so a lot of stuff are missing (map tabs for example) but I assume they will all be added.

 

[Vayra86]

You get to keep every single thing you spend money on, including skins. It's still in early access so a lot of stuff are missing (map tabs for example) but I assume they will all be added.

You may have just triggered me enough to take a look after all. Thanks

 

[JustBenching]

You may have just triggered me enough to take a look after all. Thanks

I'd say you should wait. The game is imo one of the best games ever released, but at the same time it's in the worse state it's ever going to be. Late game is half baked right now and the campaign (which is INSANELY good imo) is missing 3 acts.

I do like the PoE franchise. I just don't see why PoE2 is required.

Oh, regarding that, it's a very different take on the genre. POE1 will stay up and running (and supported), the goal with POE2 is a slower - more tactical gameplay, not zooming through the map killing everything in one hit. There are also some major changes with the gem system which realistically couldn't be ported to POE 1. I mean they could, but it's a fundamental change and not many players of the old game would appreciate.

 

[ratirt]

I do like the PoE franchise. I just don't see why PoE2 is required.

What do you mean required? I honestly have been waiting for the PoE2, I love the first part. It is a bit different than other games of that type and I truly like it.
I got instantly hooked just like with Grim Dawn. I have checked a lot of games like this and nothing. With this one is different. I'm really puzzled, why you dont like the game. It is really great the further you go in the game the better it gets. I only wish I had more time to spend playing it.

You may have just triggered me enough to take a look after all. Thanks

Dude try it. It is great. I like the kinda new style of fighting. You can slowly move while still use spells (wizard) which is quite a game changer for me. I hope this one will stay.

Oh, regarding that, it's a very different take on the genre. POE1 will stay up and running (and supported), the goal with POE2 is a slower - more tactical gameplay, not zooming through the map killing everything in one hit. There are also some major changes with the gem system which realistically couldn't be ported to POE 1. I mean they could, but it's a fundamental change and not many players of the old game would appreciate.

I agree with this completely. It is quite different. There is some strategy required here and there not just run like a madman through the map to another location. Some things gave me a hard time. The bosses are quite nice but yet I'm at the beginning of the game.

 

[crimsonfail]

It's not a "hack" this is a now well documented phishing scam by an overwolf addon, and being blown way out of proportion. Moral of the story, don't install sketchy stuff, don't login to special windows or unverified urls. That. Is. All.
Edit: There's several youtube videos by well known creators that have gone over this, nearly all (if not all) affected users were using this addon and you can see that by looking up "poe2 hack" on youtube, I'd post some of the videos but there's too many at this point.