PC Gaming Is Dying.....

[medi01]

It's hardly a monopoly. They have a sizable portion, but monopoly? No.

Sizable portion? Is that how you refer to about 70% (if not more) of the market?

My point about "why does Valve deserve 30% of revenue, if Microsoft/Sony don't" stands anyway.

 

[Eroticus]

Sizable portion? Is that how you refer to about 70% (if not more) of the market?

My point about "why does Valve deserve 30% of revenue, if Microsoft/Sony don't" stands anyway.

70% of the market cuz it great,

PC = Origin , UPLAY , Steam, GOG.com,Battle.net, and many Resellers, aka G2A, GMG.

On Consoles, you have no choice.

A monopoly (from Greek μόνος mónos ("alone" or "single") and πωλεῖν pōleîn ("to sell")) exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity (this contrasts with a monopsony which relates to a single entity's control of a market to purchase a good or service, and with oligopoly which consists of a few entities dominating an industry).[2] Monopolies are thus characterized by a lack of economic competition to produce the good or service, a lack of viable substitute goods, and the possibility of a high monopoly price well above the firm's marginal cost that leads to a high monopoly profit.[3] The verb monopolise or monopolizerefers to the process by which a company gains the ability to raise prices or exclude competitors. In economics, a monopoly is a single seller. In law, a monopoly is a business entity that has significant market power, that is, the power to charge overly high prices.[4] Although monopolies may be big businesses, size is not a characteristic of a monopoly. A small business may still have the power to raise prices in a small industry (or market).[4]
A monopoly is distinguished from a monopsony, in which there is only one buyer of a product or service; a monopoly may also have monopsony control of a sector of a market. Likewise, a monopoly should be distinguished from a cartel (a form of oligopoly), in which several providers act together to coordinate services, prices or sale of goods. Monopolies, monopsonies and oligopolies are all situations such that one or a few of the entities have market power and therefore interact with their customers (monopoly), suppliers (monopsony) and the other companies (oligopoly) in ways that leave market interactions distorted.[citation needed]

 

[xfia]

The question to me is why hasnt Valve pushed the Source engine harder and take something close to a real monopoly. Well shit they tried to advance gaming faster using the technology AMD has been getting grey hairs over. They deserve the money they get from the business model they have and for a long history of being good for pc gaming. If Vulcan works out for the SteamOS with the same games as the consoles many people will be all to ready to let go of Windows for gaming. For any of that to happen or there to be actually fair market space then exclusives have to be gone. Getting into all that about exclusives tho.. Microsoft said fuck it and bought into Sony.

 

[rtwjunkie]

70% of the market cuz it great,

PC = Origin , UPLAY , Steam, GOG.com,Battle.net, and many Resellers, aka G2A, GMG.

On Consoles, you have no choice.

A monopoly (from Greek μόνος mónos ("alone" or "single") and πωλεῖν pōleîn ("to sell")) exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity (this contrasts with a monopsony which relates to a single entity's control of a market to purchase a good or service, and with oligopoly which consists of a few entities dominating an industry).[2] Monopolies are thus characterized by a lack of economic competition to produce the good or service, a lack of viable substitute goods, and the possibility of a high monopoly price well above the firm's marginal cost that leads to a high monopoly profit.[3] The verb monopolise or monopolizerefers to the process by which a company gains the ability to raise prices or exclude competitors. In economics, a monopoly is a single seller. In law, a monopoly is a business entity that has significant market power, that is, the power to charge overly high prices.[4] Although monopolies may be big businesses, size is not a characteristic of a monopoly. A small business may still have the power to raise prices in a small industry (or market).[4]
A monopoly is distinguished from a monopsony, in which there is only one buyer of a product or service; a monopoly may also have monopsony control of a sector of a market. Likewise, a monopoly should be distinguished from a cartel (a form of oligopoly), in which several providers act together to coordinate services, prices or sale of goods. Monopolies, monopsonies and oligopolies are all situations such that one or a few of the entities have market power and therefore interact with their customers (monopoly), suppliers (monopsony) and the other companies (oligopoly) in ways that leave market interactions distorted.[citation needed]

What he said!

And yes, I refer to 70% as a sizable portion. They can begin trends in PC gaming, but are not in a position to dictate.

BTW, I'm very much against using Steam if I can get the game from GOG, and prefer my Ubisoft games directly on U-play (which has given me zero problems when used that way), so I'm not some guy beating the drums for Steam.

 

[medi01]

70% of the market cuz it great,

PC = Origin , UPLAY , Steam, GOG.com,Battle.net, and many Resellers, aka G2A, GMG.

gog.com is great, relying on something being online, to play single player game you bought is not.

Note that "significant market power" bit in your quotes.

With your personal narrow definition of a monopoly (not the one you've quoted), Intel wasn't a monopoly, cause, you know, AMD. Not to mention Via et al.
Yet Intel was CONVICTED for ABUSING it's monopolistic position by EU.

Now, in practice, I couldn't get updates for Xenonauts for a long while, cause, you know, I happened to buy it from gog.com (no DRM ) and not Steam.

Valve is in a position to dictate... and so it does.
It has only digital sales, yet it gets same 30% cut of the revenue as Sony/MS get on consoles.

On Consoles, you have no choice.

No, not really.
On consoles no company has 70%+ of the market.
On consoles I can re-sell, or share games, or buy used ones.
Even if Sony/Microsoft/(gog.com, for that matter) disappear, I'll still be able to play my games.
On consoles, with a very few platform exclusive exceptions, I have a choice from which company to buy.

The question to me is why hasnt Valve pushed the Source engine harder...

Oh, they are trying to.
Not so long ago they've said it would be free "for everyone, who sells on their platform".

Effectively, this will be funded for the 30% revenue off most pc game sales they are getting.
Assuming it would be at least ok, try to compete with "FREE" stuff if you are selling game engines, like, say, unreal.

 

[Eroticus]

gog.com is great, relying on something being online, to play single player game you bought is not.

Note that "significant market power" bit in your quotes.

With your personal narrow definition of a monopoly (not the one you've quoted), Intel wasn't a monopoly, cause, you know, AMD. Not to mention Via et al.
Yet Intel was CONVICTED for ABUSING it's monopolistic position by EU.

Now, in practice, I couldn't get updates for Xenonauts for a long while, cause, you know, I happened to buy it from gog.com (no DRM ) and not Steam.

Valve is in a position to dictate... and so it does.
It has only digital sales, yet it gets same 30% cut of the revenue as Sony/MS get on consoles.


No, not really.
On consoles no company has 70%+ of the market.
On consoles I can re-sell, or share games, or buy used ones.
Even if Sony/Microsoft/(gog.com, for that matter) disappear, I'll still be able to play my games.
On consoles, with a very few platform exclusive exceptions, I have a choice from which company to buy.

Consoles
Every console has powerful DRM protection, and no privacy at all, if you would change or do anything = Console Ban + Account.
Rise of Tomb Raider on XBOX One = 59.99$ / PC version in GMG 45$ and in G2A 35$.
You must chose one platform and use only one Digital Store.
Steam is Digital Store, sure you can't resell ur games, but also on consoles you can't resell or EVEN ask for charge back, if you didn't liked the game.
You must pay to play in multiplayer or use Cloud to save ur games, + to get extra deals, on any PC platform it's totally free.
if Sony/Xbox Service is down, you can't play anything online.
With every new console, old games are dead.


Extra.
AMD exist only bcoz Intel.

Sorry for my bad English.

 

[64K]

Sizable portion? Is that how you refer to about 70% (if not more) of the market?

My point about "why does Valve deserve 30% of revenue, if Microsoft/Sony don't" stands anyway.

Not that much. Steam doesn't usually publish sales figures but sources put sales around a billion dollars a year out of a 24 billion dollar PC games market. There are a lot of sources for PC games. It's true that quite a few will require a Steam connection to play though but you don't pay Steam for a connection. The publisher pays Valve for the Steam DRM.

 

[xfia]

The AMD64 or x86-64 or x64 is a 64-bit processor architecture invented by AMD. AMD64 is designed to enable simultaneous 32- and 64-bit computing with no degradation in performance. With Direct Connect Architecture, AMD64 processors address and help eliminate challenges and bottlenecks related to system architectures because everything is directly connected to the central processing unit.
@Eroticus Yet your Intel cpu's architecture was designed by AMD. If anything Intel messed things up by increasing single core performance to fast instead of putting focus on what was always meant to be.. all your cores and threads working together with harmony no matter what program.

 

[Eroticus]

The AMD64 or x86-64 or x64 is a 64-bit processor architecture invented by AMD. AMD64 is designed to enable simultaneous 32- and 64-bit computing with no degradation in performance. With Direct Connect Architecture, AMD64 processors address and help eliminate challenges and bottlenecks related to system architectures because everything is directly connected to the central processing unit.
@Eroticus Yet your Intel cpu's architecture was designed by AMD. If anything Intel messed things up by increasing single core performance to fast instead of putting focus on what was always meant to be.. all your cores and threads working together with harmony no matter what program.

Sure lol =P but back then Intel gave to AMD License to make "Intel cheap version of CPUs", and since then both companies share technology.

I love AMD =P so don't worry =D.

 

[commander calamitous]

The main test is to see how many few full price games sell compared to their console counterparts.

Perhaps, but it's stupid to pay full price for most games just as it's stupid to buy a console

 

[medi01]

Consoles
Every console has powerful DRM protection, and no privacy at all, if you would change or do anything = Console Ban + Account.

You can use it offline, 100% privacy.
Nobody can ban your offline mode either.

Rise of Tomb Raider on XBOX One = 59.99$ / PC version in GMG 45$ and in G2A 35$.

You can buy USED TR for XBOX one for 38.99$ via AMAZON store.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KVRNIQU/?tag=tec06d-20

You can then RE-SELL it again, to somebody else, getting most of those 38.99 + 3$ shipping back.
Ok?

Steam is Digital Store, sure you can't resell ur games, but also on consoles you can't resell or EVEN ask for charge back, if you didn't liked the game.

Lol, no, it doesn't work like that.

You must pay to play in multiplayer or use Cloud to save ur games, + to get extra deals, on any PC platform it's totally free.

That's a valid point, although WoW wasn't "totally free" last time I've checked and that multiplayer subscription gives you several free games every month.

if Sony/Xbox Service is down, you can't play anything online.

Yay, like steam, and that's somehow an argument for Steam... =)

With every new console, old games are dead.

In what way, eh?
Last year there were new releases FOR DAYUM PLAYSTATION 2, let alone 3, in which way are they "dead"?

Steam doesn't usually publish sales figures but sources put sales around a billion dollars a year out of a 24 billion dollar PC games market. There are a lot of sources for PC games.

Sure they don't publish anything, it's a privately owned company.
Last time I've checked it was estimated to be around 3+ billion for 2015.

Big part of 24 billion belongs to MMORPGs as well as to monster companies such as Activision Blizzard.
It still doesn't improve situation in regards of online stores.

It's true that quite a few will require a Steam connection to play though but you don't pay Steam for a connection.

Having to pay Valve just for their DRM would be hilarious.

The publisher pays Valve for the Steam DRM.

Actually, no. Publisher pays Valve for selling games on Steam.
Valve doesn't get money if you buy steam key somewhere else. (which is normally much cheaper too, e.g. XCOM2, Valve - 49.99€, allkeyshop finder - 29.05€)

 

[64K]

Well, the publisher doesn't write Valve a check for using the Steam platform and DRM. They take a 30% cut of the sale. As far as keys bought elsewhere I don't think Valve would bother to redeem the key and let you download the game from Steam and use the Steam DRM if they weren't being compensated by the publisher for doing so.

 

[Eroticus]

PC games are so much cheaper that they alone can allow even a high-end PC to undercut a console within a single year (Used game after few months for 40$ or Pre-order for 35$.)

(400$ Console) + (250$(PSN+) + (15GAMES*60$*5YEARS) = 5150$
(1000$ High-end PC) + (15G*42.5$*5Y) = 4187.5$

WoW - is Choice, PSN+ / XBOX - No.

"You can't get banned if you are using it offline" sarcasm ?

You can play in every steam game online, while Steam is offline.

You can share your Steam games with others
http://store.steampowered.com/promotion/familysharing

For old games, you must pay again, not all games available.

Microsoft and Sony are paying money too make Exclusive games.

PC games can be modded. Console games (legally and logically) cannot.

The Virtual Reality revolution is being led by the PC.

You get more online functionality for free than a paid console user.

 

[xorbe]

The way MS is going, they'd like that screen to read "Your PC has been banned for recent PC repairs."

 

[RejZoR]

With a help of some programmer, I've just revived a 18 years old Need for Speed 3 racing game on PC. It can even run at 4K and for its age looks absolutely amazing! Eat this consoles! You can't ever achieve anything like this on consoles. Especially not now that everything is proprietary and locked down through internet connection and console accounts. I love playing old games, this is one of the reasons why I'm insisting on PC. With consoles, I'd be forced to throw away and forget bunch of legendary games. Not an option for me. Nope.

 

[xfia]

That pretty cool. You know there is Linux for the PS4 right? I know a lot of people say its outdated tech and is true in some ways but its still the most powerful apu ever. I mean its not HSA but there is 8 jaguar cpu cores
18 GCN compute units - HD7850-7870 area
8GB of GDDR5 not unified like the next console will be but still shared and that makes it the fastest ram any cpu uses

 

[Eroticus]

That pretty cool. You know there is Linux for the PS4 right? I know a lot of people say its outdated tech and is true in some ways but its still the most powerful apu ever. I mean its not HSA but there is 8 jaguar cpu cores
18 GCN compute units - HD7850-7870 area
8GB of GDDR5 not unified like the next console will be but still shared and that makes it the fastest ram any cpu uses

Yes for 2010~11.

and GDDR5 + /- like DDR3.

 

[64K]

More news about the health of PC gaming. It does say that free-to-play MMOs generated over half of the 32 billion dollar PC gaming revenues though.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/...the-pc-is-the-worlds-biggest-gaming-platform/



Semi-related because EA may have taken notice of the increasing popularity of PC gaming

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/01/ea-were-on-a-journey-to-regain-trust-of-the-pc-gamer/

Talk is cheap Mr. O’Reilly. Actions speak louder than words.