Phenom II TWKR 42 Hits 7.00 GHz, New High for AMD

[Wile E]

Every few months there is one of these "Hits >X< GHz!!!" news tidbits. I'll play along: this was done on air? Oh wait, photo from the link:

http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00344/4434335.jpg

How long was the setup viable for? Hours? Or could the duration be measured in minutes and seconds?

For vast majority of consumers including probably in excess of 99.9% of hardware enthusiasts and overclockers out there (including just about everyone on this forum) this is impractical and from my own personal perspective it is quite pointless as well. Unless I can run it 24/7 in a workstation-like environment then it's just Discovery channel malarkey. I mean, if I need to get a hazmat license and make sure there is a local government representative present during my overclocking sessions, then maybe it's not about overclocking anymore. Also, there is something that is almost never mentioned in these articles (probably since it would ruin the glamour of it), but many times the equipment involved is trashed after only a single run, successful or not. CPU's, motherboard's and all.


Of course, the marketing benefits for AMD and Intel (depending on which platform is involved) are pretty obvious. However, other than the raw "Ripley's Believe It Or Not!" factor of these news tidbits, I don't see anything tangible for the consumer or even for the hardware enthusiast.

I put this on the same level as that article from few years ago when somebody built a computer case out of LEGO bricks and then the whole thing melted down and set the room on fire.

good point it's not really news until it's "PRACTICAL"

You guys are completely missing the point. This isn't about viability in a 24/7 environment or practicality. It's about nothing more than competition, whether it be against your own personal bests, against records, or against others, it's the competition that drives these feats.

I always use the drag racing analogies. If you build an 1000+HP drag car (even if it retains it's street legal status), is it practical or viable for 24/7 use? No, it isn't. Is that the point? No, it isn't. The point is the same as above.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

You guys are completely missing the point. This isn't about viability in a 24/7 environment or practicality. It's about nothing more than competition, whether it be against your own personal bests, against records, or against others, it's the competition that drives these feats.

When Chuck Yeager broke the speed of sound Record he did it in the X-1 while flying in the atmosphere under conditions that would lead to normal flight-That's how he broke the record
This test would be like putting Chuck and the X-1 in a 8 mile long vacum tube to break the record- it would prove nothing unless it's done via "PRACTICAL" methods, So unles Hp will be shipping PC's with liquid helium What does this prove....Well I'll tell you, Nothing!
Give me the components of my choosing and a trip to the Dark side of the Moon and I guarantee I can hit 8ghz

 

[Wile E]

When Chuck Yeager broke the speed of sound Record he did it in the X-1 while flying in the atmosphere under conditions that would lead to normal flight-That's how he broke the record
This test would be like putting Chuck and the X-1 in a 8 mile long vacum tube to break the record- it would prove nothing unless it's done via "PRACTICAL" methods, So unles Hp will be shipping PC's with liquid helium What does this prove....Well I'll tell you, Nothing!
Give me the components of my choosing and a trip to the Dark side of the Moon and I guarantee I can hit 8ghz

And drag racers use many pieces of hardware that are completely impractical for any other use. That doesn't prove anything either. Doesn't make it any less appealing to those that do it.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

And drag racers use many pieces of hardware that are completely impractical for any other use. That doesn't prove anything either. Doesn't make it any less appealing to those that do it.

But those parts contribute to make a fully functional machine that operates in the real world, under the same environmental conditions regular cars operate in... that test is in no way real world conditions- look I get it in a vat of liquid helium you can operate at 7ghz for a few minutes wooooo.. like i said Give Me The Components Of My Choice And a Trip To The Dark Side Of The Moon And I Guarantee 8ghz- meaning let me set the conditions and i can make anything happen,which is what that test did.....Drag cars are set to standards and conditions, like the car can't be strapped to a jet (no jet engine comments) and flown down the drag way

 

[erocker]

But those parts contribute to make a fully functional machine that operates in the real world, under the same environmental conditions regular cars operate in... that test is in no way real world conditions- look I get it in a vat of liquid helium you can operate at 7ghz for a few minutes wooooo.. like i said Give Me The Components Of My Choice And a Trip To The Dark Side Of The Moon And I Guarantee 8ghz- meaning let me set the conditions and i can make anything happen,which is what that test did.....Drag cars are set to standards and conditions, like the car can't be strapped to a jet (no jet engine comments) and flown down the drag way

And their engines need to be completely torn down and rebuilt after a run. By the end of a run, the spark plugs are non-existant, gaskets junk, piston rings junk, camshafts and cranshafts worn out, valves and lifters worn out etc.. Much like abusing a processor with liquid helium or whatever. I find the two things very comparable.

 

[Wile E]

But those parts contribute to make a fully functional machine that operates in the real world, under the same environmental conditions regular cars operate in... that test is in no way real world conditions- look I get it in a vat of liquid helium you can operate at 7ghz for a few minutes wooooo.. like i said Give Me The Components Of My Choice And a Trip To The Dark Side Of The Moon And I Guarantee 8ghz- meaning let me set the conditions and i can make anything happen,which is what that test did.....Drag cars are set to standards and conditions, like the car can't be strapped to a jet (no jet engine comments) and flown down the drag way

How is liquid helium not the real world? It's available in this world. It's not like they had to travel off the planet to get it, or had to alter any laws of physics to achieve this. They didn't just make it up. Any one of us can get liquid helium or nitrogen if we choose to pay for it.

And don't you think if Yeager could've flown his jet in a vacuum, he would've?

You are still completely missing the point.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

And their engines need to be completely torn down and rebuilt after a run.

yeah rebuilt no thrown in the trash...
But the point is still valid- they still have to run in the real world on their own, and not with the aid of outside influence-This test would be like putting drag cars on a fixed rail track inside a vacum tube, Drag cars still face wind resistance,friction and heat all in one contained unit

 

[erocker]

yeah rebuilt no thrown in the trash...
But the point is still valid- they still have to run in the real world on their own, and not with the aid of outside influence-This test would be like putting drag cars on a fixed rail track inside a vacum tube, Drag cars still face wind resistance,friction and heat all in one contained unit

I'm not following you at all.

Dragcar = Extreme overclocking/doing a "run"/taking it to it's limits, no real world benefit other than entertainment.

Road car (for daily driving) = Normal end-user desktop processor. Real world.

Not very hard to understand really.

 

[Wile E]

yeah rebuilt no thrown in the trash...
But the point is still valid- they still have to run in the real world on their own, and not with the aid of outside influence-This test would be like putting drag cars on a fixed rail track inside a vacum tube, Drag cars still face wind resistance,friction and heat all in one contained unit

So instead of looking at the reason these people overclock like this, you choose to argue semantics of an analogy?

 

[DrPepper]

This wasn't meant to be a 24/7 solution, more along the lines of how fast can it go. If you want practicality then ignore these overclocking attempts.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

I'm not following you at all.

They used an outside source to cool the components instead of using components within the machine to accomplish their results, It's a fixed result..
The components of this machine are not capable of achieving those results so they used outside influences to achieve them... That say's nothing....
When they can achieve these result's in a way that leads to home use.... I will be impressed....until then these results are maeningless

 

[Deleted member 67555]

When standards mean nothing so does the end result

 

[erocker]

They used an outside source to cool the components instead of using components within the machine to accomplish their results, It's a fixed result..
The components of this machine are not capable of achieving those results so they used outside influences to achieve them... That say's nothing....
When they can achieve these result's in a way that leads to home use.... I will be impressed....until then these results are maeningless

Ok, I follow you. Thing is these tests aren't meant for home use, it's a competition just like drag racing and drag racing results have nothing to do with commuting to work and back in a Camry.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Ok, I follow you. Thing is these tests aren't meant for home use, it's a competition just like drag racing and drag racing results have nothing to do with commuting to work and back in a Camry.

Right, but information is gained from those runs...can the same be said for this "record"

 

[johnnyfiive]

its like a circle... it never ends.

 

[erocker]

Right, but information is gained from those runs...can the same be said for this "record"

Absolutely. Anything that can be measured or recorded for a CPU at 3ghz or 7ghz can be measured or recorded just as a 200 hp engine or a 1000 hp engine in a car.

its like a circle... it never ends.

Maybe I need to smoke a lot of weed?

 

[Wile E]

They used an outside source to cool the components instead of using components within the machine to accomplish their results, It's a fixed result..
The components of this machine are not capable of achieving those results so they used outside influences to achieve them... That say's nothing anything...
When they can achieve these result's in a way that leads to home use.... I will be impressed....until then these results are maeningless

Meaningless to who? To you? Then don't visit these threads. Many of us like this type of thing. What exactly is wrong with that? I already covered what the purpose of these exercises are. It's competition, pure and simple. How it was achieved doesn't matter, only that it was. Not all forms of competition are suited for all people. If you don't like it, that's perfectly fine, but don't come into the thread denouncing it.

OT: And if "outside influences" are your complaint, what about running n2o on a car? That's an outside influence. Same with CO2 cooling an intercooler to make the air intake below ambient. There are many things that can be used in drag racing that "cheat" the effects of the environment on the car. It's no different than using liquid nitrogen/helium on a cpu.

 

[johnnyfiive]

Maybe I need to smoke a lot of weed?

I'm just referring to jmcslob's comments. He's not GETTING the point. :shadedshu

 

[pr0n Inspector]

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=556849

new high my ass.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Meaningless to who? To you? Then don't visit these threads. Many of us like this type of thing. What exactly is wrong with that? I already covered what the purpose of these exercises are. It's competition, pure and simple. How it was achieved doesn't matter, only that it was. Not all forms of competition are suited for all people. If you don't like it, that's perfectly fine, but don't come into the thread denouncing it.

OT: And if "outside influences" are your complaint, what about running n2o on a car? That's an outside influence. Same with CO2 cooling an intercooler to make the air intake below ambient. There are many things that can be used in drag racing that "cheat" the effects of the environment on the car. It's no different than using liquid nitrogen/helium on a cpu.

Look it's like I said with the components moon thing, If given the chance to set the conditions anything can be accomplished I love competitions with record's that hold some standards in reality, this is just one of those, Wow if you do this then add that then you can achieve this things, which says what? I can't tell you how thrilled i'll be when I see a post that proclaims 7ghz hit by so and so and it was sustained.... even if for only 24 hours...but now when that person does it you'll hear something like"big deal they did that like 3 years ago" when in fact they didn't, so think about that!! It's not like i don't like this stuff, cause i do, but when i read a post that proclaims AMD hit 7ghz, I want to it done somewhat practical. i get it this is not for 24/7 use, this was just to set a record!!! but it's a meaningless record until it leads to something practical and since this is just a marketing bragging right it is in fact meaningless... But that's just my opinion, which is an opinion from someone who really wants real results

 

[Wile E]

Look it's like I said with the components moon thing, If given the chance to set the conditions anything can be accomplished I love competitions with record's that hold some standards in reality, this is just one of those, Wow if you do this then add that then you can achieve this things, which says what? I can't tell you how thrilled i'll be when I see a post that proclaims 7ghz hit by so and so and it was sustained.... even if for only 24 hours...but now when that person does it you'll hear something like"big deal they did that like 3 years ago" when in fact they didn't, so think about that!! It's not like i don't like this stuff, cause i do, but when i read a post that proclaims AMD hit 7ghz, I want to it done somewhat practical. i get it this is not for 24/7 use, this was just to set a record!!! but it's a meaningless record until it leads to something practical and since this is just a marketing bragging right it is in fact meaningless... But that's just my opinion, which is an opinion from someone who really wants real results

Still doesn't make it meaningless. Meaningless to you, perhaps, but if it holds meaning for anyone at all, it was not meaningless. By some accounts, building drag cars is meaningless, but not to those that build or follow them.


My point is, if you find it meaningless to your standards, that's fine, but don't come into a thread about these matters, and proclaim it's useless. You are better suited to keep the opinion to yourself, as these posts are clearly not aimed at the practical market.

 

[niko084]

Oh yes.. "Will it run Crysis 2?"

Barely knowing that game...
Maybe with 8x SLI 295's and 32gb of ram...

 

[Deleted member 67555]

I'm just referring to jmcslob's comments. He's not GETTING the point.

Oh i get it..It's a do it cause we can, thing
but is that really considered doing it, that is my point

 

[Wile E]

Oh i get it..It's a do it cause we can, thing
but is that really considered doing it, that is my point

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Still doesn't make it meaningless. Meaningless to you, perhaps, but if it holds meaning for anyone at all, it was not meaningless. By some accounts, building drag cars is meaningless, but not to those that build or follow them.

I take that,well said
EDIT: it appears this is lost to me
A dog was the first earth creature to reach space,thus holding that record, this i guess is just as important as far as computer's go...
Don't get me wrong we needed to see it was possible before we sent a chimp etc... then followed by man.... So I guess if you look at like that....
It is not meaningless