Phison E18 + Micron 176-Layer NAND Preview

[Chrispy_]

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You're nitpicking over a <2% difference that is most likely caused by the 2TB model being later to market and having newer firmware that *probably* applies to the 1TB and 500GB models after firmware updates too. I can't back that up and for 1.96% difference in one "up to" specification, I'm not sure I even care.

Either way, you "conveniently" omitted the elephant in the room, the 250GB model; Here's the table from Samsung's website, rather than whatever you used to cherry-pick a table that missed out the smallest model in the range demonstrating the exact issue we're discussing right here.

(https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/980pro/)

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I was actually wondering how the random access speed of the drive as a whole compares to RAM technology.

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_interface_bit_rates
Perhaps sequential speed is at DDR2-667 and random at 1000th of PC-66 SDR SDRAM.

Well they are different memory technologies all together. The ICs are different between DRAM and Flash NAND.

 

[dgianstefani]

You're nitpicking over a <2% difference that is most likely caused by the 2TB model being later to market and having newer firmware that *probably* applies to the 1TB and 500GB models after firmware updates too. I can't back that up and for 1.96% difference in one "up to" specification, I'm not sure I even care.

Either way, you "conveniently" omitted the elephant in the room, the 250GB model; Here's the table from Samsung's website, rather than whatever you used to cherry-pick a table that missed out the smallest model in the range demonstrating the exact issue we're discussing right here.

(https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/980pro/)

You seem triggered. Everything alright bud?

 

[Chrispy_]

Triggered? I mean you could call it that if you want to be childish but I'm just reacting to a direct personal attack like any normal person would. You said I was wrong, whilst being wrong yourself so I provided examples of why I was right and you were wrong, politely asked you for examples in case I didn't have the full picture (standard open-minded behaviour in case I didn't in fact have the full picture, and was prepared to adjust my reasoning on being presented new evidence).

Instead, you found a dishonest representation to try and reinforce your incorrect accusation, strawman the discussion away from the topic you accused me of being wrong in and then dig yourself in deeper.

So yeah, I called you out on both occasions. If you're going to accuse someone, back it up properly the first time and don't double-down on the BS when asked politely to back up your accusation. That's the difference between a civil discussion and spreading FUD.

 

[dgianstefani]

Damn, being wrong must really irritate you.

 

[Chrispy_]

Damn, being wrong must really irritate you.

I don't care if I'm right or wrong, there's no money in it for me either way. I just feel it's everyone's duty here to reject and call out FUD.

You ignored @W1zzard's explanation of why your reasoning was wrong, and then launched an ad-hominem attack on me out of the blue after I made what I felt was a credible, provably-valid, and polite suggestion countering your point. That's all on you, and if you feel I've picked on you then you need to take a good hard look at what you started and what caused you to make that choice in the first place.

I'm just going to walk away now, via the "ignore" button on TPU's forum interface. Have a nice day and please try not to spread FUD in future!

 

[W1zzard]

Like, really? The thing comes with a fairly big heatsink.

As someone else said, the logic is that this is not a "final retail SSD" review, but a "controller + NAND" preview.

I think it's reasonable to remove the heatsink to investigate thermal performance without heatsink, because we will see such drives in the market.

 

[R0H1T]

Bigger drives are generally faster, with very few exceptions!

Spoiler

 

[windwhirl]

I only see a bunch of X

Never mind, now it loads.

 

[Minus Infinity]

So part from synthetic tests and very large file copies, it basically doesn't matter what type of SSD you get, even SATA drives are usually within 95% of the performance for real world operations. Just avoid the 870 EVO and BX500. Until the OS and file system can better take advantage of the speed I see little point in spending big dollars on these latest drives. Just look at the woeful performance per dollar rankings. I didn't even bother with PCI-E 4 SSD for my X570 build just NVME for boot and three 2GB Sata SSD's and the system flys.

 

[mechtech]

It would be nice to have one decent regular HDD on the charts. I know not apples to apples but they have come a long way and also one will be able to compare differences stark as they may be.

 

[W1zzard]

It would be nice to have one decent regular HDD on the charts. I know not apples to apples but they have come a long way and also one will be able to compare differences stark as they may be.

Like which model? I haven't touched a HDD for years. It'll probably screw up the chart scales, because longest bar sets the scaling for the others

 

[mechtech]

Like which model? I haven't touched a HDD for years. It'll probably screw up the chart scales, because longest bar sets the scaling for the others

Hmmm never gave it too much thought. Perhaps something performance based.
Say 7200rpm. Maybe 6-8TB so prices align with 2TB ssd. Like a WD black or equivalent Seagate?

 

[Chris_Ramseyer]

I saw a comment above that says 100 to 150% price increase over existing models. That is not correct. As the reviewers stated, no pricing info listed. Phison's partners release pricing, specifications due to firmware changes, packaging and heatsinks (or lack there of). This was a performance preview for upcoming technology that you will likely see announced at Computex from Phison partners (also their decision). I know the whole "preview" thing is kind of new to the market. When I was a reviewer I pushed companies to give me a taste of what is in the pipeline and after testing begged them to let me publish results. I personally loved working with upcoming technology. It is also fun to see how these products develop over time from early FW (as soon today) to what ships later on. Also, when you have the best, it is fun to show it off.

-CR