Please recommend an uninterruptible power supply

[R-T-B]

And don't forget minecraft, the number one reason for installing java! (slight sarcasm here, lol)

Now we're really off topic, sorry @rtwjunkie, but it's a fact.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

How does someone complaining about .NET turn into a slam against Java, which is also partially false? I have Jars that were made a decade ago that run just fine on the latest JVM and last time I checked, Oracle releases new versions on a regular basis with security updates...

I wasn't talking about security updates in that statement; I was talking about JVM being generally crap. I could go on but...

On topic: .NET Framework 4.6 is built in to Windows 10. There's no escaping .NET on Windows unless you run Windows XP (gold) or older.

.NET 2.0 executables are handled by .NET 3.5.1 CLR. Windows 10 probably automatically installed it for you the moment it saw PowerChute required it.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Older CyberPowers only have one physical button and that's for power.

It depends on the model. I have had several Cyberpower UPS over the years and I don't recall any that didn't let you suppress the alarm. Check out the manual. On my systems that had a single button, it was a multifunction button and depending on how long you held it down, it performed different functions.

And don't forget minecraft, the number one reason for installing java! (slight sarcasm here, lol)

You are a bit behind the times. Minecraft has not needed Java installed for some time now. So I recommend everyone get rid of Java.

http://www.howtogeek.com/210907/minecraft-doesnt-need-java-installed-anymore-its-time-to-remove-it/

 

[R-T-B]

You are a bit behind the times. Minecraft has not needed Java installed for some time now. So I recommend everyone get rid of Java.

http://www.howtogeek.com/210907/minecraft-doesnt-need-java-installed-anymore-its-time-to-remove-it/

I'm not behind the times, the news is just a bit behind the tech-know-how. Java is embedded in the minecraft "javaless" install. You didn't seriously think they could run a jar without java, did you?

This makes it even more a PITA to remove than the old launcher, which is why I (a minecraft player) refuse to migrate.

I've always recommended everyone short of power users get rid of java, but with all browsers blocking it, those days are past. The web plugin is effectively dead, and uninstalling it is now a silly fear if you have a legitmate need. However, like all software, if you do not need it, why install it?

 

[Bill_Bright]

the news is just a bit behind the tech-know-how

The news is not. As I pointed out, it came out some time ago. The point is, users don't need to install a stand-alone version of Java anymore, which is what you were implying above. Nor do they need to worry about Java installer issues.

And that is great news as it means users will not need to rely on the (inept??) folks at Oracle for security or Java updates, nor will Minecraft players need to worry about the security vulnerabilities that come with the stand-alone version of Java. It also means, once people run JavaRA to totally purge their systems of Java (including insecure remnants of older versions), they no longer have to worry about that launcher. So contrary to your claim about it being a PITA, it is much easier - as my 9 year old grandkids have noted.

So I recommend you heed your own advice and migrate to the new version of Minecraft.

 

[AsRock]

The news is not. As I pointed out, it came out some time ago. The point is, users don't need to install a stand-alone version of Java anymore, which is what you were implying above. Nor do they need to worry about Java installer issues.

And that is great news as it means users will not need to rely on the (inept??) folks at Oracle for security or Java updates, nor will Minecraft players need to worry about the security vulnerabilities that come with the stand-alone version of Java. It also means, once people run JavaRA to totally purge their systems of Java (including insecure remnants of older versions), they no longer have to worry about that launcher. So contrary to your claim about it being a PITA, it is much easier - as my 9 year old grandkids have noted.

So I recommend you heed your own advice and migrate to the new version of Minecraft.

So it installs java without options for the user now ?, i don't see that any better but actually worse.

But anyways i hope the OP enjoys his new UPS and hope it gives many years of use and if he shuts his system down asap when the power goes out the battery should last ages too.

 

[R-T-B]

The news is not. As I pointed out, it came out some time ago. The point is, users don't need to install a stand-alone version of Java anymore, which is what you were implying above. Nor do they need to worry about Java installer issues.

And that is great news as it means users will not need to rely on the (inept??) folks at Oracle for security or Java updates, nor will Minecraft players need to worry about the security vulnerabilities that come with the stand-alone version of Java. It also means, once people run JavaRA to totally purge their systems of Java (including insecure remnants of older versions), they no longer have to worry about that launcher. So contrary to your claim about it being a PITA, it is much easier - as my 9 year old grandkids have noted.

So I recommend you heed your own advice and migrate to the new version of Minecraft.

It's easier if you don't plan to ever remove the embedded Java yes. I guess since it doesn't launch JARs, it doesn't really matter from a security standpoint. But something in my power-user self doesn't like it.

I'll admit you are basically right from an end-user perspective though. Which should wrap this off-topic debate up.

 

[Bill_Bright]

No! It does not install Java. The specific Java code that is needed for Minecraft is now imbedded in Minecraft. This is great because it means there is no "full", stand-alone installation of Java running full time on our systems (or as add-ons in our browsers) that can be exploited by badguys.

And because much of the problem with Java was older, insecure and exploitable versions were constantly being left behind when updated versions of Java were release (which was often because Java was so buggy). Now that is not a problem either.

It's easier if you don't plan to ever remove the embedded Java yes.

And the point is, if you play Minecraft, there is no need to remove it. Again, this embedded version is the not the full-blown version installed when you install the stand-alone version. It is just the Java code needed specifically by Minecraft.

 

[Aquinus]

Which should wrap this off-topic debate up.

I second the motion.

 

[R-T-B]

No! It does not install Java. The specific Java code that is needed for Minecraft is now imbedded in Minecraft. This is great because it means there is no "full", stand-alone installation of Java running full time on our systems (or as add-ons in our browsers) that can be exploited by badguys.

Bill, I think we disagree about what defines "minecraft." See, I'm an old school modder. Minecraft to me is and always will be the jar. You simply can't embed java in a jar. The exe you download in my mind is the "launcher"

Java also has never run fulltime on a system. It is an "ondemand" tech.

But let's just leave it at that. PM me if you wish to know the technicalities of my view.

 

[Bill_Bright]

PMs benefit nobody as no one has the opportunity to learn the truth.

This is Minecraft. If that is not your definition of Minecraft, then we certainly do disagree on that.

And you are correct about full time Java component - my mistake. But I am correct about Java add-ons running every time your browser is running with the stand alone version installed and that, in terms of security, is a big problem not presented with the latest version of Minecraft.

I have no desire to debate this further either. I note this sidetrack started when you said Minecraft is, "the number one reason for installing java!" When I noted that is no longer true and you were behind the times, you denied it, then added you "refuse to migrate" to the most current version.

So the Minecraft with the embedded Java code has been around since last March. You refuse to migrate to it choosing to put yourself "behind the times". If you don't see that, then to paraphrase Dr. John, I recommend you have a good talking to yourself this time. Because I am done with this line of discussion.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

If memory serves, minecraft.net version still uses Java where the Windows Store version does not. The Windows Store version isn't as full featured (yet) as the minecraft.net version.

 

[R-T-B]

If memory serves, minecraft.net version still uses Java

That was my point. That the launcher with bundled java is nothing without the jar it immediately fetches from AWS. But I'd rather not continue this anymore.

Bill is right it doesn't need to be installed explicitly. Though a running jar is as insecure as anything java.

 

[xkm1948]

Installed PowerChute. Man that is A LOT OF options. I love seeing it can even calculate power cost based on local power rates!

I am really tempted to install a powerwall soon. And then saving up for a Tesla model S.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I am glad you decided to go for it.

 

[xkm1948]

I am glad you decided to go for it.

Figured out NET 2.0 is no longer offered, only .NET 3.5. So yeah, I just gave it a go.

 

[GadgetJohn]

I have 6 UPS devices protecting various TV and Computer equipment (I live in Houston, TX which is like a third world country for power quality). I used to always buy APC (usually around the 1500 watt size range) but I have become very frustrated with their reliability. For example, an APC Back-UPs XS 1500 with batteries replaced 11 months ago is currently reporting a runtime of 130 minutes (17w load) and yet when the power went out this morning it lasted about 3 minutes. I have replaced 3 APC devices with CyberPower CP1000PFCLCD units the oldest purchased in July 2013. It gave me a runtime projection of 43 minutes this morning and lasted for 30 minutes before I switched to my generator. So right now I'm very happy with CyberPower units and very unhappy with APC.