Postulation: Is anyone else concerned with the proliferation of AI?

[Kapone33]

While those are fair points, let's not cross the line. I'd like to keep this conversation alive. Let's not leave the mods no choice but to close the thread.

I am sorry I really do not want to make this political but the Gravity of where we are is serious to me. AI is a tool nothing more. I wish it could remain a tool for as I said Video Games and language translations.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

3 people I personally know... So think that over for a few moments..

Crazy, but this seems to have influence in your lives and unaffecting mine. I wouldn't even had know unless you told me.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes, studying to be a forensics officer. She learns about what humans do to each other. Blood splatters and stuff. AI doesn't make her less smart. Even if she used AI to assist writing papers, she's learned something from it.

Spirit of TPU? Does TPU web site have feelings? No, this is a man's career and makes money from this. It's a business adventure. Designed for humans. Only humans choose to be here.

You might be missing the points being made. Or you might be side stepping them. Can't tell. However...

And forums are out dated forms of communication.

...that is total moose muffins! Forums might be less frequently visited as of late, but they are still popular and very useful. Out-dated they are not.

Crazy, but this seems to have influence in your lives and unaffecting mine.

Give it time. Sooner or later someone you know will loose a job to AI.

I am sorry I really do not want to make this political but the Gravity of where we are is serious to me. AI is a tool nothing more. I wish it could remain a tool for as I said Video Games and language translations.

I knew this was going to be a tough subject when I started the thread/poll. Been thinking about it for a little while. It's a conversation that we need to have to let everyone vent and express concerns in a positive way.

 

[eidairaman1]

I think you have missed the point. Sure, people lose jobs to other people. And people change careers all the time. I agree that is a non-issue.

The point is when a devious person uses AI to falsely discredit another person, and the victim then loses their job or even their careers due to that false information. That is a problem. This is especially true when the devious person cannot be held accountable because they can remain cowardly anonymous and untraceable.

Freedom of speech does NOT give us the freedom to say whatever we want whenever we want or to tell damaging lies about others.

Yes there are consequences for it, i mean if you make a false official statement to law enforcement they can arrest you for it

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I think you have missed the point. Sure, people lose jobs to other people. And people change careers all the time. I agree that is a non-issue.

The point is when a devious person uses AI to falsely discredit another person, and the victim then loses their job or even their careers due to that false information. That is a problem. This is especially true when the devious person cannot be held accountable because they can remain cowardly anonymous and untraceable.

Freedom of speech does NOT give us the freedom to say whatever we want whenever we want or to tell damaging lies about others.

Actually freedom of speech gives me exactly that. If you give a cop the bird, by federal law, he can't so anything about it.

The part is, does it matter if you like it or not? Then, the next question is, do you think anyone actually cares. The tens of people visiting a forum?

 

[Macro Device]

Being concerned about AI is like being concerned about tight denim clothing, cheap kevlar vests, cowboy boot spikes, hammer drills, aspirin pills, semi-automatic weapons, and whatnot. People can abuse anything and will abuse everything. The consequences are very likely to be moderately to seriously dramatic, give or take a couple dozen million ruined lives. Happened, happens, will happen happily ever after.

One can hide their head in sand, panicking all along, another can straighten up, master the tool and make themselves invulnerable or almost invulnerable to any damage related to said tool. AI ain't necessarily to ever be mastered but if you have enough theoretical and practical knowledge and can unload it upon people you care for then it's fine and dandy.

I personally am excited for AI generated tomfoolery like those videos trending on social media in which fictitious characters do uncharacteristic things such as Pikachu saving a newborn and nurturing them. 'course people will lose their jobs, 'course AI will be used for propaganda and other misleading. Not unexpected. Nothing you can do but educate yourself and people dear to you.

Global damage... We've seen worse.

 

[kilo]

I voted worried more so for the near and far future than AI's current form. I think in about 10-20 years, there might be an AI economic crisis if it gets good enough. I'm also worried about how we just came out of a grossly authoritarian period and now those governments are using AI.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yes, and I am concerned, as I have brought up repeatedly in the past. AI's ultimate goal is to be a near-complete replacement of the blue collar workforce. It will also enable widespread censorship and extreme control by the government and corporations of any individual, it can and will be used to suppress free speech. Mind you, it has already begun to a minor extent, and likely because AI will be used to replace human moderators on platforms to enforce advertiser-friendly policies regardless of what is actually being discussed.

She does not even want to go to school anymore because so many people are using AI to generate their work

As far as I know, the stance on the usage of LLMs for academic works is to treat it as plagiarism, with all of the severe liabilities and penalties it entails. My university has a policy of annulling any works submitted which contain AI-generated text, and if this is found in published academic works, there could be criminal consequences (due to plagiarism involved).

It is a policy I support. LLMs have no place in academia.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

You might be missing the points being made. Or you might be side stepping them. Can't tell. However...


...that is total moose muffins! Forums might be less frequently visited as of late, but they are still popular and very useful. Out-dated they are not.


Give it time. Sooner or later someone you know will loose a job to AI.

A little side stepping. Because I don't have the same concerning feelings as others.

Because I've lost a lot in my life to other humans. If AI is used wrongly, it will be by humans. Not AI.

The employer decided to replace humans with AI. And your friends lost their jobs. It sucks. I get it. But definitely not the end of human kind because AI was born.

 

[Bomby569]

I am sorry I really do not want to make this political but the Gravity of where we are is serious to me. AI is a tool nothing more. I wish it could remain a tool for as I said Video Games and language translations.

take it elsewhere

 

[Kapone33]

Yes, studying to be a forensics officer. She learns about what humans do to each other. Blood splatters and stuff. AI doesn't make her less smart. Even if she used AI to assist writing papers, she's learned something from it.

Spirit of TPU? Does TPU web site have feelings? No, this is a man's career and makes money from this. It's a business adventure. Designed for humans. Only humans choose to be here. And forums are out dated forms of communication.

I believe if we are kind, it can be a kind world.

Worry more about diseases next time you're in a public bathroom.

I see so you do not enjoy helping someone out with a problem?
Discussing hardware in a civil manner without throwing insults.
Discussing trends in the industry with people from other markets
Learning about new software
Discussing reviews in a civilized manner.

It is those things that to me make TPU what it is. I would much rather have a discussion about what makes us PC users together than my CPU is better than yours or your GPU sucks because I think so. It is not like the PC that is the brain. Social media and forums are the mind of the internet. If not certain things would not have played out the way they did. Hypocrisy means noting today. Now we are adding AI to the mix.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes there are consequences for it, i mean if you make a false official statement to law enforcement they can arrest you for it

Ok, how would they arrest AI when it's outside their reach? In theory you're right, but practicalities are something different. ATM law enforcement don't have an answer for AI crime.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ok, how would they arrest AI when it's outside their reach? In theory you're right, but practicalities are something different. ATM law enforcement don't have an answer for AI crime.

It would have to be tracked on who last modified it unfortunately, just like files in a business server. If anything AI is too easy to manipulate for moral wrong doing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If anything AI is too easy to manipulate for moral wrong doing.

That was the basis of the point being shown. It's WAY too easy to use AI from anywhere in the world without proper accountability and it's getting near crossing the line of being terrifying. This is something that needs very high levels of regulation & strict controls and no one is doing anything...

 

[eidairaman1]

That was the basis of the point being shown. It's WAY too easy to us AI from anywhere and it's getting near crossing the line of terrifying.

If anything it should be eliminated

 

[Bomby569]

Yes, and I am concerned, as I have brought up repeatedly in the past. AI's ultimate goal is to be a near-complete replacement of the blue collar workforce.

i don't want to come as rude, but would that be a bad thing? people do certain jobs that OMG, it's about time we evolve and they disappear, i guess it started with Ford but it didn't get much better in ours days. There's robotic jobs out there, i don't know how else to put it and how can people spend a life doing that. People can do other things.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If anything it should be eliminated

Can we even do that without massive and sweeping actions?

i don't want to come as rude, but would that be a bad thing?

How is that a question? Seriously, how would people pay their bills, provide for their families if everyone is out of work? It's not like everyone can magically go out a find new jobs. It takes time to learn new skills and start new careers. This is not a flash in the pan situation, it's a world-wide problem.

 

[Dr. Dro]

i don't want to come as rude, but would that be a bad thing? people do certain jobs that OMG, it's about time we evolve and they disappear, i guess it started with Ford but it didn't get much better in ours days. There's robotic jobs out there, i don't know how else to put it and how can people spend a life doing that. People can do other things.

The question is what are we going to do to keep the families of low skill workers fed? What will we do to keep these people busy and occupied? How will we give these people the means to earn a living?

Are you prepared to live in a world with no trade jobs?

 

[Bomby569]

How is that a question? Seriously, how would people pay their bills, provide for their families if everyone is out of work? It's not like everyone can magically go out a find new jobs. It takes time to learn new skills and start new careers. This is not a flash in the pan situation, it's a world-wide problem.

the answer was on the part you didn't quote. They can do other things.

 

[kilo]

i don't want to come as rude, but would that be a bad thing? people do certain jobs that OMG, it's about time we evolve and they disappear, i guess it started with Ford but it didn't get much better in ours days. There's robotic jobs out there, i don't know how else to put it and how can people spend a life doing that. People can do other things.

Yes, it's a very bad thing to replace people this way. Not everyone is a genius whose education and upbringing didn't afford them opportunities. We all have certain limits on our abilities. Displacing, say, the bottom 5%, maybe no big deal. But displacing the bottom 10%, 15%, maybe even 50%? Huge deal. Employment is the single most critical method for people to have meaning in life.

 

[Bomby569]

The question is what are we going to do to keep the families of low skill workers fed? What will we do to keep these people busy and occupied? How will we give these people the means to earn a living?

Are you prepared to live in a world with no trade jobs?

i assume a similar argument was made when we started to introduce animals/machinery in farms an the vast majority of people in the world were farmers. New jobs will come up.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Actually freedom of speech gives me exactly that. If you give a cop the bird, by federal law, he can't so anything about it.

If that's your example to make moot my point, then you clearly don't get it. Flipping someone the bird is NO WHERE NEAR the same thing as intentionally and falsely accusing another of something they did not do.

Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater when you know or believe there is a fire is perfectly legal. Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater when you know there is no fire is illegal. If you don't understand the difference then I feel sorry for you.

If AI is used wrongly, it will be by humans. Not AI.

You don't know that. And that's the problem. Today, humans still control the actions of AI. But AI is evolving so quickly, it already is able act independently of humans. Fortunately, it has not done so (that we know of) maliciously. But tomorrow may be a different story.

How can AI replace the blue collar work force? That makes no sense. Blue collar jobs, by definition, are those which MUST be done manually - that is, physical tasks done by hand. AI is about reasoning, making decisions, or solving problems, not doing physical labor.

ROBOTICS may destroy the blue collar work force. And AI may direct the activities of those robotic machines. But AI will not replace physical labor jobs.

 

[AusWolf]

I only have worries about deepfake content and deepfake scams. Otherwise, AI is just a language model for machine learning, pretty harmless. It's got nothing to do with AI as in sci-fi movies.

Yes, it's a very bad thing to replace people this way. Not everyone is a genius whose education and upbringing didn't afford them opportunities. We all have certain limits on our abilities. Displacing, say, the bottom 5%, maybe no big deal. But displacing the bottom 10%, 15%, maybe even 50%? Huge deal. Employment is the single most critical method for people to have meaning in life.

The problem is that AI isn't aiming for the bottom x%, but for creative jobs, which should remain in human hands indefinitely, imo. If we give up our creativity to machines, then what do we have left? Sitting on the sofa watching TV? Or working in a factory?

 

[kilo]

i assume a similar argument was made when we started to introduce animals/machinery in farms an the vast majority of people in the world were farmers. New jobs will come up.

Sure was a similar argument. The difference is replacing people's physical labor with machinery or replacing people's mental ability (AI).

 

[AusWolf]

You don't know that. And that's the problem. Today, humans still control the actions of AI. But AI is evolving so quickly, it already is able act independently of humans. Fortunately, it has not done so (that we know of) maliciously. But tomorrow may be a different story.

Really? All I've seen AI do so far is performing tasks, same as any other program. You tell ChatGPT to write an essay, it'll write an essay. It will never ask for any specifics, or why.