Potential RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 Pricing in China Leaks

[Steevo]

You are not understanding (or choose not to) what I'm saying. Leave AMD out of the picture for once second, if you can.
The 3090 came out at $1,499 MSRP in 2020.
This rumor says the $5090 MSRP will be $2600 four years later.

That's an increase of 73%. in 4 years (and 4 months).

Do you not understand people being upset at the rumored price hike?

64cores VS 64 faster cores, AMD is 1/3 the price and faster.

192 cores VS 64 cores and AMD is still $116 cheaper per core.

Total platform ownership there is no comparison which is why AMD is killing Intel in CPU space. This thread is about GPU's and HALO products that few will actually own/buy.

 

[Dr. Dro]

The good Dr. only understands Intel and Nvidia good, all else bad.

Funny because I could swear I recommend people build Ryzen machines all the time. And have actively been telling people not to buy Intel lately. Let's not make this about the individual mate.

 

[Hankieroseman]

HisDivineOrder is simply doing what people do EVERY generation of GPUs. The wail and gnash their teeth at how GPUs are too expensive and how they are TOTES going to buy a console instead. They were already thinking about moving to a console, and seed validation for their justifications on forums to help convince themselves, because they dont REALLY want to buy a console, if they did they would have done it already. In 4 years, he'll be here telling us why the RTX 6090 is SOO expensive, its making him want to go to consoles, and how AMD only bothers competing with the RTX 6070 and there's no hope for PC users.

Because lets be frank, consoles are a totally different animal. It's like growing up with macs then declaring you're gonna go to only android tablets. Consoles are locked down, with terrible software "sales" and the last few generations have had horrible user experiences. Just Cause 3's console port was not an outlier, it was an indicator of where we are going. Nobody who has spent decades running gaming PCs is going to go to a console just because "its expensive". PC gaming has ALWAYS been an expensive hobby, people just have very selective memories.


No, they wont. They're meatshielding their choice of GPU to make themselves feel validated in their choice.

It's popular to hate on Nvidia because they are so far ahead of the competition. AMD has relied on being the underdog for 15 years now, and since they now make billions that excuse just doesnt fly anymore. I'm surprised he had the self restraint to not call them "nGreedia". You can post margin graphs and financial statements that show the Geforce division is no more profitable per GPU now then they were 4 or 6 years ago, and it'll just get brushed off because that doesnt tell the story they want. You can say you want a new big AMD GPU and they'll rally to tell you all you want is a discounted nvidia flagship, even if youve bought only AMD for the last decade.

For whatever reason GPUs cause basic decorum to just fly out the window.

I remember when the 3dfx AGP was $500 and everybody wanted one but wouldn't afford that either. Totally lame
2000-2024/ $500 -$1500-$2000-$???? see how that works?

 

[Dahita]

"Again, the Threadripper..."

You have some kind of obsession, dude. The news is about a rumored price on an Nvidia graphic card. I have no idea why you keep bringing AMD into the mix

 

[Dr. Dro]

You have some kind of obsession, dude. The news is about a rumored price on an Nvidia graphic card. I have no idea why you keep bringing AMD into the mix

I did not bring anything into this conversation, I simply used a point to expose the double standards. You cannot tell me that there is not one.

You do not need to buy an RTX 5090 if the price is too high for you. Buy whatever fits in your pocket, buy whatever makes you happy. I myself opted not to buy an RTX 4090 last generation, I bought a 4080, it does the job. There is practically no game I cannot run at 4K well on my setup right now, except some of the latest AAAs. I'm definitely going to live. Just don't go around painting something as the devil while you defend another company that does the exact same thing and gets praised for it. That is hypocrisy.

I remember when the 3dfx AGP was $500 and everybody wanted one but wouldn't afford that either. Totally lame
2000-2024/ $500 -$1500-$2000-$???? see how that works?

For example, Voodoo 5500 AGP released in June 2000. In November 2024 dollars, your $500 has become $915.00 according to the consumer price index calculator. True inflation is realistically a lot higher than what any government is willing to admit and index into the official CPI, so something to keep in mind.

CPI Inflation Calculator

www.bls.gov

 

[Dahita]

I did not bring anything into this conversation, I simply used a point to expose the double standards. You cannot tell me that there is not one.

It's ok bud. There's no more blind than the one who doesn't want to see.

 

[Bwaze]

Not on track, must be missing the taxes, tarrifs and markup:


2020, RTX 3080 - $700
2022, RTX 4080 - $1200
2024, RTX 5080 - $2040
2026, RTX 6080 - $3468
2028, RTX 7080 - $5896
2030, RTX 8080 - $10022
2032, RTX 9080 - $17038
2034, RTX 10080 - $28965

 

[Hankieroseman]

I did not bring anything into this conversation, I simply used a point to expose the double standards. You cannot tell me that there is not one.

You do not need to buy an RTX 5090 if the price is too high for you. Buy whatever fits in your pocket, buy whatever makes you happy. I myself opted not to buy an RTX 4090 last generation, I bought a 4080, it does the job. There is practically no game I cannot run at 4K well on my setup right now, except some of the latest AAAs. I'm definitely going to live. Just don't go around painting something as the devil while you defend another company that does the exact same thing and gets praised for it. That is hypocrisy.



For example, Voodoo 5500 AGP released in June 2000. In November 2024 dollars, your $500 has become $915.00 according to the consumer price index calculator. True inflation is realistically a lot higher than what any government is willing to admit and index into the official CPI, so something to keep in mind.

CPI Inflation Calculator

www.bls.gov

But the part where those engineers got together and put this in production is the part you don't see.
Sony over Samsung for color tv.
apple phone
Ford pickup
Volkswagen Tiguan
Lone Star Beer
Samsung monitors
Ryzen processors
GSkill Memory
Crucial SSD
Lian-Li Cases/PSU....
9950X3D & RTX5090 and maybe a Hero X870

 

[Sound_Card]

The more I read about sheep, ngreedia and burning connectors the more it makes me want to buy nvidia. I kid you not, wasn't even interested in the 5090, and then I read a bunch of comments on the thread and im like "im buying it". Honest to god, amd's fans are the best marketing for nvidia. They make you hate amd and love nvidia instead.

Wow you really showed us by dropping 2 grand and some. How are we ever going to recover from this?

 

[mechtech]

But the part where those engineers got together and put this in production is the part you don't see.
Sony over Samsung for color tv.
apple phone
Ford pickup
Volkswagen Tiguan
Lone Star Beer
Samsung monitors
Ryzen processors
GSkill Memory
Crucial SSD
Lian-Li Cases/PSU....
9950X3D & RTX5090 and maybe a Hero X870

lol

 

[JoniISkandar]

Exactly.

That said, I've seen several 'investigation' videos on YT of people hunting down RTX 4090 being sold illegally in China, just like any other banned good. Go to the right markets, talk to enough people, and eventually you can find one. With a hefty 'premium' price.

Are you or every western people never think China can just buy the GPU from SEA Country like Vietnam Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia?

How you think western sanction actually effective right now, the world starting abandoned the Dollar, after USA just Steal Russian Asset in dollar, you can talk about war and stuff for justification, but other Country loking the situation and said *+" im not put my investment in Dollar thag can just get taken by USA +"

 

[JustBenching]

Polite words will not help either. RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, RTX 4070 Vanilla, RTX 4070 Ti Vanilla all these weak gpus are selling like a hot cakes when they were released really poor value for what you get. AMD RX 7700 XT, RX 7800 XT, RX 7900 XT was clearly a better deal than nvidias alternatives

That's where you are wrong. The 7900xt had worse RT per dollar AND raster per dollar than the 4070ti. And higher power draw. That's why the 4070ti was selling like hotcakes

 

[Dr. Dro]

Please don't make me laugh your 192bit moped is slower on average and was costing slightly more as usually despite the fact that msrp is the same! 3d party sellers usually are overpricing nvidia gpus more often because people are buying them a lot more (demand is not the same)

If you stop to read the chart you posted, it clearly shows that bits mean absolutely nothing. You have a whole mishmash of cards with varying bus widths vying for their positions. You call the 4070 Ti a moped while you cower behind rasterized 4K results which entirely favor the product you are trying to defend (ironically since its only strength is the large bus which matters exclusively at 4K). Enable RT and lower resolution to 1080p to make it as easy as possible and suddenly, even with all of its memory bandwidth, it's barely matching the vanilla 4070. From the very review you used as justification.

 

[Krit]

Techpowerup have relative performance charts also average fps and at 4k, 1440p and UltraWide on average RX 7900 XT will be faster. Who uses 1080p are you from 2009 ? I personally dropped 1080p back in 2013. Also recently tried 4k 144hz and there is no big improvement over 3440x1440 if we talk about gaming. My personal choice is 3440x1440.

 

[Why_Me]

Techpowerup have relative performance charts also average fps and at 4k, 1440p and UltraWide on average RX 7900 XT will be faster. Who uses 1080p are you from 2009 ? I personally dropped 1080p back in 2013. Also recently tried 4k 144hz and there is no big improvement over 3440x1440 if we talk about gaming. My personal choice is 3440x1440.

1080P is the most used resolution world wide.

 

[Krit]

1080P is the most used resolution world wide.

It's for low end gpus not upper midrange. B580 etc. It does not make sense to use 200$ monitor with 800$ gpu. Yes fps will be high but screen looks like a garbage way to pixelated.

 

[JustBenching]

Techpowerup have relative performance charts also average fps and at 4k, 1440p and UltraWide on average RX 7900 XT will be faster. Who uses 1080p are you from 2009 ? I personally dropped 1080p back in 2013. Also recently tried 4k 144hz and there is no big improvement over 3440x1440 if we talk about gaming. My personal choice is 3440x1440.

You realize that the chart you used, which is the most favorable for the 7900xt, still shows that it launched with a worse raster performance per dollar than the 4070ti you are mocking?

Now imagine adding some RT, some 1440p and some power draw charts in there.

 

[Krit]

You realize that the chart you used, which is the most favorable for the 7900xt, still shows that it launched with a worse raster performance per dollar than the 4070ti you are mocking?

RX 7900 XT was cheaper than RTX 4070 Ti ~ 17-19 months ago when i bought it.

Of corse on average RX 7900 XT is slower.

 

[JustBenching]

RX 7900 XT was cheaper than RTX 4070 Ti ~ 17 months ago when i bought it.

Of corse on average RX 7900 XT is slower.

It didn't launch for cheaper though, at the time the 4070ti launched the XT was more expensive, by about 13-15%, while being 8-10% faster on raster and clearly slower in RT. Overall a very terrible deal.

 

[Krit]

It didn't launch for cheaper though, at the time the 4070ti launched the XT was more expensive, by about 13-15%, while being 8-10% faster on raster and clearly slower in RT. Overall a very terrible deal.

AMD did drop prices pretty fast it was too close to RX 7900 XTXs price. That was a big mistake from amd yes!

 

[theglaze]

Are you or every western people never think China can just buy the GPU from SEA Country like Vietnam Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia?

How you think western sanction actually effective right now, the world starting abandoned the Dollar, after USA just Steal Russian Asset in dollar, you can talk about war and stuff for justification, but other Country loking the situation and said *+" im not put my investment in Dollar thag can just get taken by USA +"

Exactly. Circumvention is the name of the game.

 

[freeagent]

How you think western sanction actually effective right now, the world starting abandoned the Dollar

The five eyes wont let that happen. BRICS is all the bad guys getting together to rebel lol.

And if you look at the state of the their tech industry, I would say the sanctions are quite effective.

AMD did drop prices pretty fast it was too close to RX 7900 XTXs price. That was a big mistake from amd yes!

They did that to milk the market just like Nvidia was/is.

Hopefully they don't do that this round because they could have a winner on their hands.

 

[Sir Beregond]

Should we not be comparing the 5080 price to the 4080 Super? The 4080 Super fully replaced the original 4080 and was price-adjusted because they overpriced the 4080 to begin with. Being they completely EOL'd the 4080, it doesn't seem fair to compare to that. Also, specifically referring to MSRP, not scalper pricing.

It depends. That's assuming their strategy with the 5080 is the same. They had too many $1200+ 4080's rotting on shelves. If they price the 5080 at $1200 or more, they may just make less of them and consider it a lower volume product.

 

[Garrus]

I have an OLED too, and have various different hz monitors... you don't need 120 FPS on OLED at all. 60 locked is just as smooth. Variable refresh works too. Lots of TV content is 50 FPS - perfect frametimes just the same. You're talking about a total and utter non issue, ergo a want, not a need. You even said it yourself, you're playing at 1/3rd the framerate the monitor can refresh elsewhere.

You've told yourself a marketing story, perfectly illustrating the point and the self-imposed problem. A problem that above all things is pretty much fixed because of VRR anyway. The only reason you say what you say is because you've placed your personal target for what is 'good' far above the mainstream, and into the 'mediaphile' territory.


People are lying hypocrites and what people say does very often not reflect what people actually do. The proof is in the stats. The price and revenue of hardware keeps going up. And no, it doesn't matter jack shit what some randoms on forums say about their supposed (projected) preferences:

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Consoles aren't growing at an alarming rate - but PC games noted the highest revenue growth in 2024, fighting over about a quarter of the market and growing faster than mobile (which is either an exception or a growing % of people getting into the advantages of PC gaming... which need no further explanation I reckon on TPU):

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Also... building PC at the same time as console is gone? Why? Because the price for a console or a PC is higher now than before? Again, so much for perception and enter reality:

- You can build a gaming PC for 1000,- without any issue, just the same as you could a decade ago, and it will play games at good settings and FPS that way. Insert an x60~x70 class card, a midrange CPU and some storage and you're done no differently than you were back in the day.

- Consoles cost no more than they did back in the day. 450-500,-

I don't think much has changed honestly... people let themselves get mislead by perception and marketing fakery, but in the meantime almost everyone with some income owns a tablet or two, a phone, a TV, a laptop or PC, and one or more consoles. The growth of mobile gaming has NOT supplanted PC or console gaming, it just got added on top. We just got so used to all of that its considered for granted... but I remember old days where saving up (quite a while!) for a PC was a real thing you did, not unlike saving up for a console.


I agree, but that bold part, apparently is problematic for people who constantly complain about price. They want something they don't want to (ergo can't really) afford. There's something truly twisted about buying expensive monitors and then complaining the resolution and refresh rate can't be properly used because it requires a bigger hardware expense. In my world, that's short sighted stupidity, and nothing else. Irrelevant? Not really, because now you've got a hardware setup supposedly forcing you to overpay to get it running properly.

Its like buying a muscle car and then complaining about the poor fuel economy because gas prices have increased by 0,03 ct.

That was impressive, almost everything you said is not true. 60hz is not at all like 120hz. Not even close, especially with a mouse. Secondly one reason I bought a 360hz monitor is that g-sync often doesn't work, especially with my Alienware monitor, and I prefer low input lag above all else. With 360hz I don't worry about g-sync anymore.

Anyways calling it a want and not a need is a bunch of nonsense, but happy new year.

You go on buying the bare minimum that you need, the rest of us will enjoy our computers.

The number one reason I play all my games at 120 fps is to try to get rid of all the horrible effects of modern upscaling and TAA. Modern games look like GARBAGE compared to playing an Xbox 360 game at 60fps. Every PS5 level game I play at 120fps. Every time.

I don't want to play a game that looks like this: