PowerColor AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Pictured, Confirmed Based on "Navi 32"

[ixi]

Yada, yada. Give us better 5xxx and 8xxx series so that people can do proper upgrade. Biggest question although is price.

 

[Chrispy_]

$479 I suspect.

Looks like it's going to perform worse than a 6800XT IMO. It's only clocked 9% faster than the 6800XT, but the 6800XT has 20% more shaders AND twice the InfinityCache. Given the lack of cache on the 7800XT I doubt the change to 18Gbps GDDR6 will be anything other than a downgrade, too. We've seen from the RX7600 that in terms of architecture, the move to RDNA3 yields very little IPC. Realistically, all RDNA3 means for performance is that you get an improved media engine with a hardware AV1 encoder...

Most likely it sits between the 6800 and 6800XT in terms of performance, and any efficiency advantage gained from using TSMC5 is wasted on higher clocks and the higher idle power draw of running five seperate dies and an interconnecting substrate.

It's going to be competing with the 4070, but it won't be as fast as the 4070, it won't have the raytracing performance of the 4070, it won't have the efficiency of the 4070, and it won't have CUDA application support of the 4070. The only reason it'll look good at all is because the 4060 Ti 16GB is a disgrace at $500.

 

[Space Lynx]

Yada, yada. Give us better 5xxx and 8xxx series so that people can do proper upgrade. Biggest question although is price.

if I were to bet money on it, I'd say the trade war China and USA are currently partaking in is going to continue to escalate and computer hardware will be next on the list for import taxes, etc. that's why i got my 7900 xt at $580 while I could, I expect in next couple of years things are going to dramatically increase in price. I honestly hope I am wrong, cause I love this hobby, but if I am right, at least I have a decent rig to chill and game with until the world returns to sanity.

 

[Vayra86]

$499 with a free copy of Starfield and I'd consider it. Maybe.

The safer bet is a 6800XT/6950XT for the same performance with a more mature driver set.

Thing is, lots of people keep saying this 7800XT has no purpose, but everyone recommends a 6800XT at 550 dollars today.

Is this a mid range killer sale? Of course not, but its certainly competitive 'enough'. And still a lot better than anything that's a green x70 - even the x70ti carries a mere 504GB/s on 12GB, but is more expensive.

 

[ixi]

if I were to bet money on it, I'd say the trade war China and USA are currently partaking in is going to continue to escalate and computer hardware will be next on the list for import taxes, etc. that's why i got my 7900 xt at $580 while I could, I expect in next couple of years things are going to dramatically increase in price. I honestly hope I am wrong, cause I love this hobby, but if I am right, at least I have a decent rig to chill and game with until the world returns to sanity.

Good point. 580$/€ is really good price for 7900xt. Cheapest near me is going for 850€ :<

 

[Space Lynx]

Good point. 580$/€ is really good price for 7900xt. Cheapest near me is going for 850€ :<

well it depends if starfield premium is a day 1 buy for you or not, for me it was most likely going to be, so i said wth. might as well go all in. if my IRL buddy had not offered to buy my ryzen 5600 at a good price i prob would have not made any upgrades to be honest, timing on everything just lined up great for me.

edit: if you didn't notice, I love outer space stuff... lmao

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

I love outer space stuff

Where I live, we call hardcore junkies this way.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Price will tell whether this is a great, passable or terrible product.

Considering AMD's recent past of bad pricing, I think they'll ask €550 for this and at that price it's a bad product IMO.

 

[kondamin]

Add more memory and ai cowboys will snap them up at inflated prices

 

[ARF]

I think that's the point, Nvidia and AMD want to keep all options on the market equally uncompelling. Why compete on pricing when you can force customers to get less for their money. Not only do you make higher margins, the customer has to settle for less thus reducing the time between upgrades for them. You see this sort of tactic across a variety of industries because companies have learned it pays more to fix prices than it does to compete.

Because sales are ever fewer, and fewer, and at some point there will be little initiative in the customers to spend.

The industry shipped 42 percent fewer discrete GPUs than a year prior.

Demand for graphics cards significantly increased during the pandemic as some people spent more time at home playing games, whereas others tried to mine Ethereum to get some cash. But it looks like now that the world has re-opened and Ethereum mining on GPUs is dead, demand for desktop discrete GPUs has dropped dramatically. In fact, shipments of discrete graphics cards hit a ~20-year low in Q3 2022, according to data from Jon Peddie Research.

Desktop GPU Sales Hit 20-Year Low

The industry shipped 42 percent fewer discrete GPUs than a year prior.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[TriCyclops]

That's disappointing. How can it be on par with the same tier card from last generation? Seems pointless, deceptive or both?

 

[thunderingroar]

Why the hell are they using 18Gbps gddr6 and not 20Gbps like on the XTX? Hello? AMD?

Even Nvidia used same memory chips on 4070 as 4090. This will be barely faster than 6800xt

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

Seems pointless, deceptive or both?

nGreedia made it clear the new trend is providing with the similar/worse performance in lower segments, also raising the prices a bit, and 2 times higher prices in higher segments. AMD are their obedient dog and they submitted to this trend. As you can see, RX 7600 completely failed to differ from now-same priced RX 6650 XT. RX 7800 XT failed to be an improvement over RX 6800 XT. RX 7900 XT is extremely expensive compared to RX 7900 XTX (about 15% slower for a 10% discount mustn't be a thing but it's unfortunately real). 7900 XTX is a bit faster than 6950 XT but $1000 for it is a 3 hunnit too much.

Why the hell are they using 18Gbps gddr6 and not 20Gbps like on the XTX? Hello? AMD?

Because the die is so cut-out it can't benefit from 20GBps. This GPU should've been named RX 7700 XTX and be sold for as little as high 300s, probably $400 sharp. The REAL 7800 XT is already here and its name is RX 7900 XT.

 

[Dr. Dro]

you are off here my friend, I got my top tier 7900 xt (i call it that because the XFX MERC variant is overkill and keeps it nice and cold even when oc'd) shipped and sold by amazon brand new for $705 and no tax to boot it was listed for everyone across the nation at $720 with a $15 coupon to clip at checkout, and the Sapphire Pulse XT was also selling for $720 during Prime Day sales last month), cause it was Prime Day, and if you use your Prime Visa card on Prime Day, you get 6% cash back to your credit, which negates the tax in my state, and I had $30 gift card on top of that (though this shouldn't be counted for other people of course), bringing it down to $680 after tax shipped - with starfield premium, which was a game I wanted to buy anyway, $100 msrp, so $580 for the 7900 XT. it was a deal I just couldn't resist. glad I didn't. it's awesome. it's crazy seeing God of War at 1440p Ultra settings at 150 fps on my 165hz display. man, its a sight to see.

I saw the Visa promotion during our prime day here in Brazil but it was 100 bucks off any purchase instead. It would be a shame if I only had MasterCard credit cards... with any meaningful limit anyway.

See, the problem is, these promos and sales to further compound the world's lowest prices for tech in America don't really apply anywhere else, you can be guaranteed that prices abroad will at the very least exceed US dollar MSRP value

Why the hell are they using 18Gbps gddr6 and not 20Gbps like on the XTX? Hello? AMD?

Even Nvidia used same memory chips on 4070 as 4090. This will be barely faster than 6800xt

Cost. 4070 and 4090 carry over the 3090 Ti's 21 Gbps memory, the 4080 is the only card which adopts the fastest 24 Gbps ICs right now.

 

[thunderingroar]

Because the die is so cut-out it can't benefit from 20GBps.

That makes no sense. 4070 is way more cut down, its less than half of 4090 SM count and die size and yet it uses the same memory chips.
AMD is just saving pennies here with slower memory

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I think that's the point, Nvidia and AMD want to keep all options on the market equally uncompelling. Why compete on pricing when you can force customers to get less for their money. Not only do you make higher margins, the customer has to settle for less thus reducing the time between upgrades for them. You see this sort of tactic across a variety of industries because companies have learned it pays more to fix prices than it does to compete.

But we've seen the opposite, which 3 generation old GPUs still being common on steam. By not moving the needle, more consumers can skip out on multiple generations of card without losing out.

Because sales are ever fewer, and fewer, and at some point there will be little initiative in the customers to spend.

The industry shipped 42 percent fewer discrete GPUs than a year prior.

Demand for graphics cards significantly increased during the pandemic as some people spent more time at home playing games, whereas others tried to mine Ethereum to get some cash. But it looks like now that the world has re-opened and Ethereum mining on GPUs is dead, demand for desktop discrete GPUs has dropped dramatically. In fact, shipments of discrete graphics cards hit a ~20-year low in Q3 2022, according to data from Jon Peddie Research.

Desktop GPU Sales Hit 20-Year Low

The industry shipped 42 percent fewer discrete GPUs than a year prior.

www.tomshardware.com

Which should be driving price slower, not higher. Well, it would in a sane market.

GPUs are not the only thing where companies are desperate to hold onto those COVID profits. Something has GOT to give, and that will either be the corporations or the consumers. Time will tell who wins.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

4070 is way more cut down

Compared to the 4090? Yes. In total? No. 7800 XT has 60 CUs (~64% of the full Navi 31), which is embarrasingly low for a card trying to pretend it has its place outside budget segment considering the full Navi 31 7900 XTX is nowhere near being the best GPU in the world losing with KO to 4090 and being unable to outperform 4080 (just above 50% of full Ada potential) by a significant margin.

Given the fact 100% of Navi 31 is not faster than 50ish % of Ada we might assume 64% of Navi 31 is not faster than 35ish % of Ada and guess what? That's exactly where 4060... excuse me, "4070" has landed. 7800 XT needs BOTH a faster die and a faster VRAM. +11% VRAM b/w is undoubtedly good but it won't make a difference as it's still gonna be a very mediocre product, probably majorly overpriced as well.

 

[Keullo-e]

Starfield is Skyrim, but in outer space. I plan to make my money by being a space trucker, and if those damn pirates try to take my delivery, well, as Tychus likes to stay in Starcraft 2 - "Hell fucking yeah, here they come boys" *tychus spits out his cigar*

So personally not interested. Fallout 3/NV/4 are the only Bethesda ones I've spent some real hours into.

But yeah, I hope that the pricing is moderate or they will have some cheaper SKUs at least. Nothing serious to complain about my current 6700 XT, but as I play at 4K, more horsepower would be nice..

 

[Dimitriman]

Anything more than 499 for this is a hard pass.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

as I play at 4K, more horsepower would be nice..

Don't bother then. Your bare minimum is 7900 XTX. Everything below that is half measures.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

That's disappointing. How can it be on par with the same tier card from last generation? Seems pointless, deceptive or both?

They are just names when it comes to ethics and legality. They could call it the 7000000 Super Duper XT Edition and have it perform like an RX 5500 if they wanted. Caveat emptor

 

[Dr. Dro]

For me the 7900 XT could have been the 7800 XT. If the released 7800xt is not better than a 6900xt then don't bother despite the price. Unless the price is lower than a 6900xt that might be a consideration for someone rocking an older and much slower card. For me with a 6900xt, I'd rather wait for next gen to see what's released and where the prices are.
Although, the power color's red devil would have been my card to buy. Love the devils.

That's because by all means, the 7900 XT is the 7800 XT, and the 7900 XTX is the 7900 XT, this generation has a branding aberration going on. Couple the poor branding with the massively underwhelming real-world performance of RDNA 3, which caught everyone off-guard, and you have this utter mess of a product stack.

To make matters worse, at 2 to 4% over the 6650 XT, the fully enabled Navi 33 silicon, otherwise RX 7600 XT, performed so bad, they actually released it as the RX 7600 in an attempt to compare it to its cut-down predecessor (the 6600), and still had to issue a flurry of last-minute price cuts to result in a GPU which is still a poor performer offering poor value for the price asked.

It's sad to say but, AMD just isn't at a great spot right now. Their product stack is a complete mess, and market realities may not allow them to undercut prices at the given SKU levels without actually damaging their brand, even if the hardware BoM could fit in a lower target (it cannot).

 

[JohH]

That makes no sense. 4070 is way more cut down, its less than half of 4090 SM count and die size and yet it uses the same memory chips.
AMD is just saving pennies here with slower memory

N32 sucks but memory bandwidth isn't the problem. It is 256 bit by 18gbps = 576GB/s. And RTX 4070 is 192 bit x 21gbps = 504GB/s. Cheaping out on the last level cache and failing to hit 3GHz like planned is the problem. If it could hit those performance levels then maybe it'd deserve 20gbps GDDR6 chips.

 

[AnotherReader]

if I were to bet money on it, I'd say the trade war China and USA are currently partaking in is going to continue to escalate and computer hardware will be next on the list for import taxes, etc. that's why i got my 7900 xt at $580 while I could, I expect in next couple of years things are going to dramatically increase in price. I honestly hope I am wrong, cause I love this hobby, but if I am right, at least I have a decent rig to chill and game with until the world returns to sanity.

How did you get a 7900 XT for $580?

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

That's because by all means, the 7900 XT is the 7800 XT, and the 7900 XTX is the 7900 XT, this generation has a branding aberration going on. Couple the poor branding with the massively underwhelming real-world performance of RDNA 3, which caught everyone off-guard, and you have this utter mess of a product stack.

To make matters worse, at 2 to 4% over the 6650 XT, the fully enabled Navi 33 silicon, otherwise RX 7600 XT, performed so bad, they actually released it as the RX 7600 in an attempt to compare it to its cut-down predecessor (the 6600), and still had to issue a flurry of last-minute price cuts to result in a GPU which is still a poor performer offering poor value for the price asked.

It's sad to say but, AMD just isn't at a great spot right now. Their product stack is a complete mess, and market realities may not allow them to undercut prices at the given SKU levels without actually damaging their brand, even if the hardware BoM could fit in a lower target (it cannot).

I think if you’re trying to be fair, you’d reference the 1080p graph, as the 7600 is marketed as a 1080p card. It doesn’t help its case that much, but it does give it a 4% edge on the 6650 XT. To me, it’s appropriately named, but to your point, it doesn’t bode well that their maxed out die can’t do any better than a non-XT tier. Makes me think that AMD was hoping for much higher clocks than what they got.