OFFICIAL Project CARS (Discussion)

[LeviathanPT]

Hes a "dummy" that got pole in this weekend FIA GT Series Race @ Nogaro

I really enjoy the "hardcore" sim racers answers when some pro driver comes out and just points that the whole concept they have is wrong.

 

[DRDNA]

This drives like Shift3.
Calling it a sim and/or suggesting it has good FFB and steering is a nonsense from my pov.

Hes a "dummy" that got pole in this weekend FIA GT Series Race @ Nogaro

I really enjoy the "hardcore" sim racers answers when some pro driver comes out and just points that the whole concept they have is wrong.

Well Kwod has a right to his opinion, bottom line is no one can please everyone all the time. I feel the game in itself will prove itself.

I hope there are many more who feel the same.

 

[LeviathanPT]

Indeed, but calling someone a dummy just because his point of view differs isnt very civil.

 

[repman244]

He sounds like another dummy who doesn't understand that just because you're a rl race driver, it doesn't mean you can automatically drive a sim.
I've never read any account from any race driver that convinces me they've made sense of sim racing.....obviously some have, but generally, race drivers support which ever sim/games dev pays them.

But a RL driver can give you feedback on how accurate the game in terms of physics is (unlike people who ONLY play games/sims).

If a sim is very accurate, any RL driver shouldn't have any problems driving it (same goes for pilots, ship operators or any other area which has simulators).

Richard Burns Rally was made with the advice of Richard himself...and it turned out to be the best rally sim ever made.

 

[DRDNA]

Indeed, but calling someone a dummy just because his point of view differs isnt very civil.

Always better to take the high road is all I can say about that issue.

 

[Kwod]

If a sim is very accurate, any RL driver shouldn't have any problems driving it (same goes for pilots, ship operators or any other area which has simulators).
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Only once the driver understands the limitations of a PC simulation with consumer gear vs the real thing, for example you can jump in your own car and notice that it's extremely easy to see compared to a scaled cockpit view on small LCD's.
There's also FFB vs real world feel etc.

 

[Kwod]

I really enjoy the "hardcore" sim racers answers when some pro driver comes out and just points that the whole concept they have is wrong.

Inconsistent FFB, minimal weight transfer, little penalty for poor braking etc aren't proof that simcade games have it right.
People will say and do almost anything for money, in fact I recall Ian Bell or someone from SMS claiming Shift2 was the most realistic physics ever
Modders have said that some of the data in Shift2 was out by 500%.

 

[repman244]

Only once the driver understands the limitations of a PC simulation with consumer gear vs the real thing, for example you can jump in your own car and notice that it's extremely easy to see compared to a scaled cockpit view on small LCD's.
There's also FFB vs real world feel etc.

Yes of course, you can never have the complete package when in a simulator (the feel of the car/engine, you can't feel the forces on your body, limited view.....) you are absolutely right, but you can have good physics which do bring you close to the real thing.

IMO a thing to consider is that this game is still being developed so things could get better. Time will tell I guess.

 

[LeviathanPT]

I dont recall such claims and lets not forget that even tho Slightly Mad Studios developed Shift series it was made accordingly to the requests by EA.

 

[DRDNA]

Wow looks like us racers take our racing a bit serious

Any way if people didn't have different opinions then there wouldn't be any competition in the making of racing games. That would leave us with out all theses excellent racing games.

 

[LeviathanPT]

^That is true.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ugh jaggies from the game footage.

 

[Kwod]

I dont recall such claims)

Ian Bell, sim-racing guru and co-founder of Slightly Mad, said that this game has the "most advanced physics system ever released.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/29/shift-2-unleashed-need-for-speed-review/

Found this on my first google attempt.

 

[LeviathanPT]

Found this on my first google attempt.

Took you some time..
Having the most advanced physics system and using it properly are two different things, just like ISI or Kunos claiming their engines have the most advanced physics and someone then decides to make a simcade game out of it

The physics system is there but its not being used at its full potential, thus why modders were able to get the good out of it.

 

[Kwod]

Took you some time..
Having the most advanced physics system and using it properly are two different things, just like ISI or Kunos claiming their engines have the most advanced physics and someone then decides to make a simcade game out of it

The physics system is there but its not being used at its full potential, thus why modders were able to get the good out of it.

It took me a few seconds, as if anyone thinks I spent hrs and hrs looking for that 3 second google search, LOL.
Are you here to make a fool of yourself or what?
Btw, I don't buy games hoping a modder will convert in into a working product, perhaps you do or perhaps you're here to do nothing but promote pcars and any past SMS mistakes.

 

[LeviathanPT]

It took me a few seconds, as if anyone thinks I spent hrs and hrs looking for that 3 second google search, LOL.
Are you here to make a fool of yourself or what?
Btw, I don't buy games hoping a modder will convert in into a working product, perhaps you do or perhaps you're here to do nothing but promote pcars and any past SMS mistakes.

Im just playing along with your game to see where it leads

It seems your knowledge of how the game industry works is very poor for you not to be able to understand that these studios are hired by the big companies to make games as they request and not they (studios) want.
If you have any complaints about Shift series i suggest you redirect them to the specific forums.

Im not here to promote anything as the game promotes itself and i dont believe SMS needs anyone "defending" or "protecting" them from any generalisation of their work based on 2 titles, they have a much richer repertoire as a team (GTR Series, GT Legends, BMW 3 Challenge and so on) that speaks for itself, so thats just another bad attempt of making me look bad here..

Im here just to avoid these over generalisations/missconceptions that some attempt to make through every thread that exists about this game, it almost sounds like a conspiracy, but i believe it just preconception that people have from any game that comes from EA that the blame is from the studios. Its an unfortunate method that the big companies use to take some of the blame from them, EA is an old veteran in this area.

Anyway, i dont see any point in continuing this discussion with you as it seems that as much as i try to make you see the other side of the coin you seem to enjoy the one you have so any further conversation in this aspect will be just a waste of time and i dont like to waste mine.

You will see when the game is out if it is another Shift3 like you try to claim or if it is a simulator like myself and many others within the project claim it to be

Have a nice day.

 

[Ahhzz]

It's good to see this thread progressing RIGHT OFF THE FUCKING TRACK.

How bout it goes back between the white lines....

 

[Kwod]

It's good to see this thread progressing RIGHT OFF THE FUCKING TRACK.

How bout it goes back between the white lines....

I agree, but Levitians silly comment was too much to ignore

 

[KingPing]

Bought a G27 some days ago, much better than my old DFGT, i will have to mod the brake pedal and make a shifter.

AC and pCARS feels so much better now, i can't understand why some people say the DFGT and the G27 are similar except the pedals, to me there is a huge difference.

 

[LeviathanPT]

Bought a G27 some days ago, much better than my old DFGT, i will have to mod the brake pedal and make a shifter.

AC and pCARS feels so much better now, i can't understand why some people say the DFGT and the G27 are similar except the pedals, to me there is a huge difference.

What were the main differences you noticed with it KingPing ?

 

[DRDNA]

Bought a G27 some days ago, much better than my old DFGT, i will have to mod the brake pedal and make a shifter.

AC and pCARS feels so much better now, i can't understand why some people say the DFGT and the G27 are similar except the pedals, to me there is a huge difference.

I have been thinking about upgrading my Momo racing wheel to a G27 as well.
Is the G27 the best in the $250 to 300 range?

 

[LeviathanPT]

You also have these packs from Fanatec


Forza Motorsport CSR wheel value pack US:
Discount: 29.95
Price: $249.95
Products: Forza Motorsport CSR Wheel US, CSR Pedals US,

Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2 Value Pack US:
Discount: 59.95
Price: $199.95
Products: CSR Pedals US, Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2 Wheel US,


Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2 Value Pack XL US:
Discount: 129.90
Price: $259.95
Products: Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2 Wheel US, CSR Shifter Set US, CSR Elite Pedals US,

 

[DRDNA]

out of the 4 wheels which would rein kingship?

 

[LeviathanPT]

Hard to say, the Fanatec are known to have a superior build quality but the CSR is kinda "meh" when you hold it (feels a bit plastic), the GT3 RS V2 for some is small but has a nice build quality. The G27 wheels are good build quality but their shifter is just a bit rubish in terms of build quality, the pedals are very moddable so you can "upgrade" them easily. You could always buy a TH8RS on the side and use with it.

Within that budget i would probably go with the Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2 Value Pack XL US, if you have some friends that have one you should give it a look, check reviews also to be sure its the right wheel for you.

 

[DRDNA]

Hard to say, the Fanatec are known to have a superior build quality but the CSR is kinda "meh" when you hold it (feels a bit plastic), the GT3 RS V2 for some is small but has a nice build quality. The G27 wheels are good build quality but their shifter is just a bit rubish in terms of build quality, the pedals are very moddable so you can "upgrade" them easily. You could always buy a TH8RS on the side and use with it.

Within that budget i would probably go with the Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2 Value Pack XL US, if you have some friends that have one you should give it a look, check reviews also to be sure its the right wheel for you.

Very useful! Thank you kind Sir!