Project: Retro Pentium 4

Deleted member 41019 · Aug 20, 2014

Current stock spec's for your viewing pleasure

Deleted member 41019 · Aug 20, 2014

A video update for you all.

m0nt3 · Aug 21, 2014

Out of curiosity, why not a video card that is more in the same time period?

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m0nt3 said:
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Out of curiosity, why not a video card that is more in the same time period?

Thats a question that has a very long winded answer. The VERY short answer is It all goes back to the original project that was meant to be an old 478 system that would still be useful in todays computing.

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boomstik360 · Aug 29, 2014

kniaugaudiskis said:
I'm currently waiting for some new PC parts to arrive and that's a perfect excuse to play around with my retro nostalgia socket 939 rig which I built a few years ago:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ 2.4GHz 2x1MB 939 (Toledo) cooled by Zalman CNPS7700CU cooler
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
MSI GeForce 7900GTX 512MB
2,048MB of Kingston HyperX 400MHz CL2.5 RAM
500GB HDD
480W PSU
Windows XP Professional

I've been on this rig for something like a week already and I can say it handles basic tasks really well, even plays Youtube 720P videos without a single stutter. Almost all games from 2005-2006 are also butter smooth, the 7900GTX sporting 24pixel and 8 vertex pipes ticking at 650MHz is not a joke. The reason this rig feels special to me dates back to when I was 13 years old and had just got into the world of PC hardware. Back then the best chips you could get were Athlon 64 FX-55 2.6GHz and Pentium 4 3.4GHz EE (Gallatin core) from AMD and Intel respectively. I remember I found it really hard to understand how a lower clocked Athlon 64 chip could outperform a higher clocked Pentium 4 chip, so AMD Athlon 64 chips felt somewhat special to me. When the Athlon 64 X2 chips hit the market in 2005 I was under the impression they were sick fast, especially the $1000 X2 4800+. All newer stuff now just comes and goes, however, AMD Athlon 64 series is here to stay with me.
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I know exactly how you feel! That was about the exact same time for me and I remember having all of those thoughts lol. Good times back then!

kniaugaudiskis · Aug 31, 2014

aven000 said:
Would love some pictures of the rig ;D

Sure, here you go a few shots of my socket 939 system:

Since I'm still waiting for some stuff to arrive before I start building my main rig, today I checked my drawers and found some interesting old stuff. I knew that stuff sat in my drawers for a long long time, though, I did not expect it to be still operational. So, this is what I've just put together:

Intel Pentium 4 3.4GHz HT 800MHz FSB (Northwood core)
ASUS P4P800SE motherboard (I'm still surprised it works)
PowerColor Radeon X800XT Platinum Edition 256MB AGP (520/1120)
Some random 4 sticks of 512MB PC3200 400MHz CL3 Samsung RAM, totaling to 2GB.
Seagate 250GB HDD (IDE)
Plextor CD-RW drive
350W PSU

The system booted at first attemp just fine, so I installed Windows XP and downloaded some old benchmarks like 3DMark03 and 3DMark05. The system was 100% stock in all tests.

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 22, 2015

Been a while since this was updated. I just wanted to let everyone know this is still going.

The system has been OC'd to 3.6GHZ but we are having temp issues so I have another maaaaaaad cooler on order and will update you all on that soon. The Video Card also got a little OC by 40MHZ on the memory and the GPU, not much I know but again temp issues that need to be sorted out.

I took the advice I was given by forum member Aquinus and changed out the IDE hard drive for a SATA drive and it really is a lot quicker.

I would say this project has taken a turn and is now more of a "Ultimate 478" system more than anything else.

Here is a link to my Youtube channel (RetroTalk) and a quick video of my son playing Pinball Arcade on the system @ 1440x900, max settings and of course this was under DirectX 9.C as that's the limit for XP.

I'll keep you all posted on the changes as they happen.

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 22, 2015

Full spec list can be found here: http://s1084.photobucket.com/user/Zaidain/library/Retro PC

Can't be bothered to resize them to upload here

FreedomEclipse · Jul 23, 2015

Not sure if i mentioned it - but my mate had a shitty FX5200 back in the day. I switched the passive heatsink to some activecopper cooler that i think came off my 9700 pro. I overclocked the bollocks off that card - I think i managed to push an extra 125-200mhz on the core. memory wasnt so good though, I think i only managed 50mhz before it started artifacting. I was running BF1942 and farcry 1 on it with no problems.

tabascosauz · Jul 23, 2015

Prescott is the demon itself. The sheer heat output of that satanic 112mm^2 square is a force to be reckoned with. I hope that cooler you're getting is up to the task. Northwood would have made your life that much easier

(not sure about NW's overclockability though)

My LGA775 P4-530 was so slow and the cooler (stock, but a very thick, burly monstrosity that could soak up some real heat) screamed like an animal. I took to delidding it but forgot that early Intel CPUs were mostly epoxied, so it's dead now. Good riddance. Prescott was an abomination that was (I'd say) worse than Bulldozer for AMD.

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 23, 2015

As I say, The cooler will be something special

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 23, 2015

FreedomEclipse said:
Not sure if i mentioned it - but my mate had a shitty FX5200 back in the day. I switched the passive heatsink to some activecopper cooler that i think came off my 9700 pro. I overclocked the bollocks off that card - I think i managed to push an extra 125-200mhz on the core. memory wasnt so good though, I think i only managed 50mhz before it started artifacting. I was running BF1942 and farcry 1 on it with no problems.

Main issue is the card is using non-standard hole spacing. I could buy an aftermarket cooler but I can't find any that have a 45mm spacing, at least nothing better than what is already on it.

tabascosauz · Jul 23, 2015

aven000 said:
Main issue is the card is using non-standard hole spacing. I could buy an aftermarket cooler but I can't find any that have a 45mm spacing, at least nothing better than what is already on it.

What kind of mounting hole does the motherboard have? Are they just holes similar to the LGA115x ones or are they the really stupid raised metal pegs?

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 23, 2015

tabascosauz said:
What kind of mounting hole does the motherboard have? Are they just holes similar to the LGA115x ones or are they the really stupid raised metal pegs?

The motherboard is a standard socket 478 layout. It's the video card that has the 45mm spacing and that's what is casing the problem when it comes to finding an aftermarket cooler for the card.

uuuaaaaaa · Jul 23, 2015

You just reminded me that I have to finish my retro P4 build:
P4 3.4GHz Gallatin core
Abit IC7-MAX3
PowerColor X850XT PE AGP with modded arctic cooling ati silencer 5 rev. 2 / Sapphire HD3850 AGP
2Gb Patriot XBLK CL2
Corsair HX620W
160Gb WD caviar

The case is almost finished but I have to order a new chipset heatsink for the MAX3, since the scythe cpu cooler that I ordered is too big, and hits the chipset heatsink...

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 23, 2015

uuuaaaaaa said:
You just reminded me that I have to finish my retro P4 build:
P4 3.4GHz Gallatin core
Abit IC7-MAX3
PowerColor X850XT PE AGP with modded arctic cooling ati silencer 5 rev. 2 / Sapphire HD3850 AGP
2Gb Patriot XBLK CL2
Corsair HX620W
160Gb WD caviar

The case is almost finished but I have to order a new chipset heatsink for the MAX3, since the scythe cpu cooler that I ordered is too big, and hits the chipset heatsink...

Thread for it or piccys when you're done please

uuuaaaaaa · Jul 23, 2015

aven000 said:
Thread for it or piccys when you're done please

I will post some pics and benchies for sure

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 23, 2015

uuuaaaaaa said:
I will post some pics and benchies for sure

Looking forward to that

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 26, 2015

New parts on the way and I should have them and installed by Thursday.

FireFox · Jul 26, 2015

i dont mean to be RUDE but 3 posts in a row :mad:

why dont you just EDIT your POSTS :slap:

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 26, 2015

Knoxx29 said:
i dont mean to be RUDE but 3 posts in a row
why dont you just EDIT your POSTS

Three posts in a row? Where?

Last post before today was three days ago and that was in reply to someone else.

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 29, 2015

Well the system is done and what a difference the new CPU and GPU coolers have made!

The CPU alone used to idle at around 48 degrees and is now down to 31! The video card still runs a little warm but at 37 degrees idle I'm happy. The three system fans (two intake and one exhaust) will be replaced with the same fan as the one installed at the top of the system as it is quieter and seems to move more air.

Only issue was the CPU cooler fouled on one of the timing crystals on the video card but a quick trip to my local locksmith and it was sorted by cutting off the unneeded loop. Not happy I had to cut it off but it was a case of needs must.

Apart from replacing the fans this project is now complete and the system will never change spec or be upgraded further as it is everything I wanted out of a 478 P4 system and more.

I'll be keeping the system forever as far as I am concerned but really it is something to hand down to my eldest son who at 8 years old is very into computers so one day it will be his.

Here is the last of the pictures with a few benchmarks thrown in for good measure. I would like to thank everyone who followed this project and thanks those who gave their advice.

Deleted member 41019 · Jul 29, 2015

Last of the images.

uuuaaaaaa · Aug 28, 2015

aven000 said:
Looking forward to that

Might have some more stuff for you later on

I am finding the max oc on the cpu and gpu's, then i'm gonna bench this beast! Might use my HD3850AGP as well x)

EDIT: Got 15118 3DM 2003 with my X850XT PE, was not expecting to be that much faster than your HD3650... :eek:

System Name	Headshot
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 3800X
Motherboard	ASUS Crosshair VI Hero ROG
Cooling	Phanteks Glacier One 360 MPH
Memory	2x16GB Corsair Vengence LPX DDR4 @ 3200 16-18-18-18-36
Video Card(s)	AMD Radeon Vega64 (Linux)/Gigabyte RX 6600 (Windows VM)
Storage	Cruscial P5 1TB nVME, Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, Seagate 1TBx2 (Home/Data), 2TB Seagate (Games)
Display(s)	2x Acer 1080P 144HZ
Case	Phanteks Enthoo Luxe White
Audio Device(s)	Schiit Stack (Schiit Audio Modi 2 DAC + Magni 3 AMP + Loki)
Power Supply	eVGA Supernova 1000 G2
Mouse	Razer DeathAdder V2
Keyboard	Logitech G710+
Software	Arch Linux with Windows 10 Gaming VM

System Name	Headshot
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 3800X
Motherboard	ASUS Crosshair VI Hero ROG
Cooling	Phanteks Glacier One 360 MPH
Memory	2x16GB Corsair Vengence LPX DDR4 @ 3200 16-18-18-18-36
Video Card(s)	AMD Radeon Vega64 (Linux)/Gigabyte RX 6600 (Windows VM)
Storage	Cruscial P5 1TB nVME, Samsung 850 EVO 250GB, Seagate 1TBx2 (Home/Data), 2TB Seagate (Games)
Display(s)	2x Acer 1080P 144HZ
Case	Phanteks Enthoo Luxe White
Audio Device(s)	Schiit Stack (Schiit Audio Modi 2 DAC + Magni 3 AMP + Loki)
Power Supply	eVGA Supernova 1000 G2
Mouse	Razer DeathAdder V2
Keyboard	Logitech G710+
Software	Arch Linux with Windows 10 Gaming VM

System Name	Always changing
Processor	Always changing
Motherboard	Always changing
Cooling	Always changing
Memory	Always changing
Video Card(s)	Always changing
Storage	Always changing
Display(s)	Always changing
Case	Always changing
Audio Device(s)	Always changing
Power Supply	Always changing
Mouse	Always changing
Keyboard	Always changing

System Name	The Command Center
Processor	i7 6950X @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard	ASUS X99 Deluxe II
Cooling	Be Quiet! Dark Rock 3
Memory	32GB Kingston HyperX Fury White 2666MHz
Video Card(s)	Radeon VII 16GB HBM2
Storage	1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus + 5TB Seagate 2.5"
Display(s)	LG 27GN950 27" 4K 144Hz IPS
Power Supply	Corsair CS750M 750W 80+ Gold
Software	Windows 10 PRO x64

System Name	WorkInProgress
Processor	AMD 7800X3D
Motherboard	MSI X670E GAMING PLUS
Cooling	Thermalright AM5 Contact Frame + Phantom Spirit 120SE
Memory	2x32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO DDR5 6000 CL32
Video Card(s)	Asus Dual Radeon™ RX 6700 XT OC Edition
Storage	WD SN770 1TB (Boot)\|1x WD SN850X 8TB (Gaming)\| 2x2TB WD SN770\| 2x2TB+2x4TB Crucial BX500
Display(s)	LG GP850-B
Case	Corsair 760T (White) {1xCorsair ML120 Pro\|5xML140 Pro}
Audio Device(s)	Yamaha RX-V573\|Speakers: JBL Control One\|Auna 300-CN\|Wharfedale Diamond SW150
Power Supply	Seasonic Focus GX-850 80+ GOLD
Mouse	Logitech G502 X
Keyboard	Duckyshine Dead LED(s) III
Software	Windows 11 Home
Benchmark Scores	ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ

System Name	ab┃ob
Processor	7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard	B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact
Cooling	NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67
Memory	64GB 6400CL32┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage	8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Case	Caselabs S3┃Lazer3D HT5

System Name	No name / Purple Haze
Processor	Phenom II 1100T @ 3.8Ghz / Pentium 4 3.4 EE Gallatin @ 3.825Ghz
Motherboard	MSI 970 Gaming/ Abit IC7-MAX3
Cooling	CM Hyper 212X / Scythe Andy Samurai Master (CPU) - Modded Ati Silencer 5 rev. 2 (GPU)
Memory	8GB GEIL GB38GB2133C10ADC + 8GB G.Skill F3-14900CL9-4GBXL / 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC4000
Video Card(s)	Asus R9 Fury X Strix (4096 SP's/1050 Mhz)/ PowerColor X850XT PE @ (600/1230) AGP + (HD3850 AGP)
Storage	Samsung 250 GB / WD Caviar 160GB
Display(s)	Benq XL2411T
Audio Device(s)	motherboard / Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro + Front panel
Power Supply	Tagan BZ 900W / Corsair HX620w
Mouse	Zowie AM
Keyboard	Qpad MK-50
Software	Windows 7 Pro 64Bit / Windows XP
Benchmark Scores	64CU Fury: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11269229 / X850XT PE http://www.3dmark.com/3dm05/5532432

Processor	Intel i7 10700K
Motherboard	Asus ROG Maximus XII Hero
Cooling	2x Black Ice Nemesis GTX 480 - 1x Black Ice Nemesis GTX 420 - D5 VPP655P - 13x Corsair LL120 - LL140
Memory	32GB G.SKILL Trident Z RGB 3600Hz
Video Card(s)	EVGA GEFORCE RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra
Storage	Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 500GB/1TB - WD Blue SN550 1TB - 2 X WD Blue 1TB - 3 X WD Black 1TB
Display(s)	Asus ROG PG278QR 2560x1440 144Hz (Overclocked 165Hz )/ Samsung
Case	Corsair Obsidian 1000D
Audio Device(s)	I prefer Gaming-Headset
Power Supply	Enermax MaxTytan 1250W 80+ Titanium
Mouse	Logitech G502 spectrum
Keyboard	Virtuis Advanced Gaming Keyboard ( Batboard )
Software	Windows 10 Enterprise/Windows 10 Pro/Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	My PC runs FiFA

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