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You agreed that The Company can change the EULA/TOS however it likes and whenever it likes. You always do.
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Loudly advertise a significant feature likely to sway your buying decision? Hardly. They didn't loudly advertise OtherOS, in fact I don't think they even bothered to advertise it at all, at least not in any form of main stream media. In fact, they didn't even include a mention of OtherOS on the box. 99% of people buying a PS3 likely never even knew OtherOS existed, and it certainly wasn't swaying their buying decisions. I don't think anyone was torn between buying a PS3 or an Xbox360, but decided to go with the PS3 just because of OtherOS. It wasn't a significant feature, it wasn't loudly advertise(it wasn't advertised at all actually), and it didn't sway anyones buying decisions.
There obviously are a select few instances where OtherOS was the reason for buying the console, mainly using it exclusively for the Linux aspect to use the PS3 in a cluster. In which case, those users simply don't update the firmware on the PS3. In fact they probably never even boot into the PS3 interface.
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Do these editorials really need to be posted to the main news page?
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i agree with that. once people wake from their zombie purchasing state then this behavior by the manufacturers/retailers will end. ...
remember, companies survive on profits which means they survive on you and me. we make the demands and sony and others follow with the supply. they create products to compete for our dollar. as a society we have been getting lazy with our money and just throw it anyone who promises us a few fun hours. pretty god d%mned pathetic if you ask me.
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it's nothing new. this has been the way of the world since we began social constructs - it will not change. there are not enough people that even see the argument, and of those that see so few care - and of those that care so few are willing to do anything.
it's easy to sit back and point out the problem, but your solution isn't feasible. if your answer is for the people to band together and fight back through their purchases, to send a message: you're wrong. not saying that is not the ideal solution, just saying it is impossible and will never happen. i don't have the solution, but every time i read that you can fight back with your purchases i cringe. there are billions of consumers, you will never make a dent.
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so then we have a case of a small minority of sony users who care and the rest don't care. why should sony bend to the whims of a small minority putting its business model in jeopardy. this same example can be extrapolated out to any manufacturer/consumer relationship. obviously most people don't care so the minority doesn't have legal power to stand on.
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no disagreement here. it's cold and hard but the truth as i see it. there are things that can band together enough support, like wrongful death or health implications, racism, etc. but removing linux from PS3 is something that simply will never have enough support.
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next time, read the EULA. stop screwing yourself over.
you people amaze me. take some personal responsibility for the purchases you make for once in your life.
if enough people read the EULA and understood what sony could possibly do then less people would buy sony and they would have to change their terms.
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What would give Sony incentive to remove any major features from the PS3?, OtherOS was a very small thing and does not detract from what the system was created for.
OtherOS was a good addition, but nothing more.
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my new quoteThe law is a terrible measure of what's right and wrong.
Who are you, anyway? I've seen you a few times recently posting similar points - are you a corporate lawyer or something? I don't see how anyone (even Sony if they were honest) could really side with Sony here and say they did nothing morally wrong.
the title is simple. i don't understand the joke?I don't understand the title.
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Ok, I'll put my hand up and say that I've not had personal experience of their PS3 marketing, because I've never paid much attention to it. However, from what I understand, they did push the feature. Regardless, I'll bet it was listed on the box.
Heck, wouldn't it be ironic if I changed my username to OtherOS in support of Ventura? No W1zz, don't do it!
I'm surprised the judge threw out the misleading advertising claim. Yes, Sony's agreement says they can remove services and features but to remove an adevertised service or feature is to remove a promise made in past advertising. This is disappointing.
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No, they really didn't push the feature at all. It wasn't mentioned in any of their mainstream media marketting. Not in TV/Audio ads and not in print ads.
And no, it isn't listed anywhere on the box. I'll have to check for sure, but I'm pretty sure it isn't even mentioned in the manual for the PS3.
That is the issue, sony never really advertised it. It was a feature the console had, and people talked about it, but Sony themselves never advertised it. It isn't really misleading advertising if none of your advertising talks about OtherOS.
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Well they advertise that it Only does Everything.
Clearly it does not.
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+1next time, read the EULA. stop screwing yourself over.
you people amaze me. take some personal responsibility for the purchases you make for once in your life.
if enough people read the EULA and understood what sony could possibly do then less people would buy sony and they would have to change their terms.
I was going to mention that also, No true marketing about it, And I am sure they never really had mind to want it.No, they really didn't push the feature at all. It wasn't mentioned in any of their mainstream media marketting. Not in TV/Audio ads and not in print ads.
And no, it isn't listed anywhere on the box. I'll have to check for sure, but I'm pretty sure it isn't even mentioned in the manual for the PS3.
That is the issue, sony never really advertised it. It was a feature the console had, and people talked about it, but Sony themselves never advertised it. It isn't really misleading advertising if none of your advertising talks about OtherOS.
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No, they really didn't push the feature at all. It wasn't mentioned in any of their mainstream media marketting. Not in TV/Audio ads and not in print ads.
And no, it isn't listed anywhere on the box. I'll have to check for sure, but I'm pretty sure it isn't even mentioned in the manual for the PS3.
That is the issue, sony never really advertised it. It was a feature the console had, and people talked about it, but Sony themselves never advertised it. It isn't really misleading advertising if none of your advertising talks about OtherOS.
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That might not be the best idea, who knows what they will change/remove next...
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and just who are you?
Rhino is definitely not siding with Sony, he is just pointing out the side of the argument that most whining tweens miss, and is a very important side to recognize. don't take his explanations of their actions as justification or acceptance.
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So it was a completely undocumented feature?! It simply showed up on a menu somewhere? If that's true it would make a significant difference in their favour I have to say. However, from the various articles I've read about it and this lawsuit judgement that was delivered, it seems it was documented. It would be interesting to confirm or deny this important point - perhaps different manufacturing runs of PS3 had different documentation that went with them, some documenting the feature and some not?
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if enough people read the EULA and understood what sony could possibly do then less people would buy sony and they would have to change their terms.
perhaps different manufacturing runs of PS3 had different documentation that went with them, some documenting the feature and some not?