R5 5600 random frame rate spike in all games

[aska33j]

hey guys! I really need your help here

Specs;
R5 5600 PBO on i tried pbo disabled and same issue
ram kingston fury beast 8gb*2 3200ghz
Asrock rx 6600
Asus b450 mk2
Msi mag 600
SSD adata SU680

like everyone im suffering from the frametime spikes. tried everything to the point where im just tired
I had other form of stutter which is fixed by disabling CPPC and CPPC preffered cores in bios.

Only the random spikes are not gone

While monitoring CPU usage and fps when the spike happens not randamly ( ill explain below ) the cpu usage will go up for examlpe from 40% to 55% then drop down to 40%.

ill explain it in the simplest way; imagine everything is smooth for 30minutes a sudden explosion happens BAM!! frametime spike and frame rate drop from 60 to 57 then 60 and cpu usage go up and drop down. Its like the processor isnt processing if you get me or it was slow to process i dont know.

Everything is up to date. TEMPS are fine!
I thought it was ram latency so i tested with aida64 and it was 69ns
So i started poking around ram and overclocking and i really felt a different and the spikes are not as often .

i raised the speed from 3200 to 3600 Idid not raise the ram voltage its 1.35V and i raised the CLDO VDDP from 0.9v to 0.94v i saw it somewhere. and messed with the timings ( searched ryzen 5600 ram latency on google images and copied the timings ) i tested with prime95 for 3 hours no errors.

stress test

while gaming the temperature never goes up 55.

i think the culprit for the framerate spikes is the voltages. Are my voltages okay or i messed up? Should i raise them more? Is the SOC voltage too low? i really wanna get rid of this issue.

Your help is very appreciated! thank you

 

[Redwoodz]

Your cpu voltage is way low. 1.2v max is waaay undervolted.

This is not normal behavior btw. This is due to your non default settings.
You are literally using 28% of the available TDC.

What kind of cooler are you using?

 

[DR4G00N]

I don't think it's related to the CPU really, everything looks fine to me. It's possibly something to do with the OS or a driver.

Though I do agree it's not running at default settings.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I messed around with a 5600 for a few months. Almost 114W package power is excessive and unnecessary. I was running it in ECO mode with +200MHz boost for 4.65GHz in a mini-ITX build - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/38255336 No issues of any kind and the 6600XT isn't that much faster.

FPS issues could be due to so many things. The scenario described could just be a game settings issue. Explosions in demanding games can be the most taxing with all of the alpha effects, physics, etc. happening. Playing at 60 average and suddenly getting a 3 frame drop should not be stuttery on a VRR monitor. And the CPU usage jumping around sounds like normal behavior during gameplay. ‍

 

[Redwoodz]

Power reporting deviation(accuracy) 258% ?
Total cpu utility 122% max 107% average?
No hardware page faults?

 

[aska33j]

Your cpu voltage is way low. 1.2v max is waaay undervolted.

This is not normal behavior btw. This is due to your non default settings.
You are literally using 28% of the available TDC.

What kind of cooler are you using?

I havent messed with the cpu voltages. i just enabled PBO in bios.

cooler is some chinese brand raidmax i believe

 

[aska33j]

I don't think it's related to the CPU really, everything looks fine to me. It's possibly something to do with the OS or a driver.

Though I do agree it's not running at default settings.

i did a clean windows install a few days ago hoping it would fix the issue but no luck. and the stutters are worse when i reset the bios

I messed around with a 5600 for a few months. Almost 114W package power is excessive and unnecessary. I was running it in ECO mode with +200MHz boost for 4.65GHz in a mini-ITX build - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/38255336 No issues of any kind and the 6600XT isn't that much faster.

FPS issues could be due to so many things. The scenario described could just be a game settings issue. Explosions in demanding games can be the most taxing with all of the alpha effects, physics, etc. happening. Playing at 60 average and suddenly getting a 3 frame drop should not be stuttery on a VRR monitor. And the CPU usage jumping around sounds like normal behavior during gameplay. ‍

i havent messed with the power limits or cpu voltages. only enabled PBO in bios. and the fps drops are okay its the sudden spike thats the issue. ill try ECO mode and see what happend

 

[PsyGab]

Hello does this happen in all games? Because it could be just be a situation where 16gb is just not enough and the game is using the paging file to read/write data thus the spikes due to it accessing slower memory.

 

[Zach_01]

hey guys! I really need your help here

Specs;
R5 5600 PBO on i tried pbo disabled and same issue
ram kingston fury beast 8gb*2 3200ghz
Asrock rx 6600
Asus b450 mk2
Msi mag 600
SSD adata SU680

like everyone im suffering from the frametime spikes. tried everything to the point where im just tired
I had other form of stutter which is fixed by disabling CPPC and CPPC preffered cores in bios.

Only the random spikes are not gone

While monitoring CPU usage and fps when the spike happens not randamly ( ill explain below ) the cpu usage will go up for examlpe from 40% to 55% then drop down to 40%.

ill explain it in the simplest way; imagine everything is smooth for 30minutes a sudden explosion happens BAM!! frametime spike and frame rate drop from 60 to 57 then 60 and cpu usage go up and drop down. Its like the processor isnt processing if you get me or it was slow to process i dont know.

Everything is up to date. TEMPS are fine!
I thought it was ram latency so i tested with aida64 and it was 69ns
So i started poking around ram and overclocking and i really felt a different and the spikes are not as often .

i raised the speed from 3200 to 3600 Idid not raise the ram voltage its 1.35V and i raised the CLDO VDDP from 0.9v to 0.94v i saw it somewhere. and messed with the timings ( searched ryzen 5600 ram latency on google images and copied the timings ) i tested with prime95 for 3 hours no errors.

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stress test

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while gaming the temperature never goes up 55.

i think the culprit for the framerate spikes is the voltages. Are my voltages okay or i messed up? Should i raise them more? Is the SOC voltage too low? i really wanna get rid of this issue.

Your help is very appreciated! thank you

Your SoC voltage is fine
Core voltage (SVI2 TFN) seems a bit low but for 4.4-4.5GHz I think its fine and unless you somehow did a huge undervolt its a non issue. The CPU is self regulating on voltage.
Your CPU temps are on the high side but its normal due to high power limit and average/low cooling capacity.

Have you alter anything in PBO besides just enabling it?
For PPT/TDC/EDC limit settings I would recommend to do them manually.
Limits are unnecessary high now. Not saying that this is the culprit of your issue though.
I would set them to
PPT: 90W
TDC: 65A
EDC: 90A
...for the R5 5600

Defaults are even lower.

The issue of sudden FPS drop spike can be anything. Like a background task briefly taking over system resources or the gaming data that needs to be moved around is too much.
What other apps are you using during your gaming sessions?

Power reporting deviation(accuracy) 258% ?
Total cpu utility 122% max 107% average?
No hardware page faults?

Power Reporting Deviation (PRD) can be anything between 0% and 1000% during simple every day usage including gaming.
And it means absolutely nothing on those cases.

This PRD sensor is to be monitored(observed) only on 100% CPU load (Core Usage and Max CPU/Thread Usage at 100% constantly) like on a stressed test or MultiThreaded benchmark or some real MT app like editing or rendering

CPU Utility is normal going over 100%





Please read the description and important note of the PRD sensor tool tip

 

[aska33j]

i tried negative curve optimizer all cores -10. thats it. i havent messed with the power limits. ill set them now and see how it goes!
and should i raise the core voltage or leave it at auto?

 

[aska33j]

Your SoC voltage is fine
Core voltage (SVI2 TFN) seems a bit low but for 4.4-4.5GHz I think its fine and unless you somehow did a huge undervolt its a non issue. The CPU is self regulating on voltage.
Your CPU temps are on the high side but its normal due to high power limit and average/low cooling capacity.

Have you alter anything in PBO besides just enabling it?
For PPT/TDC/EDC limit settings I would recommend to do them manually.
Limits are unnecessary high now. Not saying that this is the culprit of your issue though.
I would set them to
PPT: 90W
TDC: 65A
EDC: 90A
...for the R5 5600

Defaults are even lower.

The issue of sudden FPS drop spike can be anything. Like a background task briefly taking over system resources or the gaming data that needs to be moved around is too much.
What other apps are you using during your gaming sessions?


Power Reporting Deviation (PRD) can be anything between 0% and 1000% during simple every day usage including gaming.
And it means absolutely nothing on those cases.

This PRD sensor is to be monitored(observed) only on 100% CPU load (Core Usage and Max CPU/Thread Usage at 100% constantly) like on a stressed test or MultiThreaded benchmark or some real MT app like editing or rendering

CPU Utility is normal going over 100%

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Please read the description and important note of the PRD sensor tool tip

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i tried negative curve optimizer all cores -10. thats it. i havent messed with the power limits. ill set them now and see how it goes!
and should i raise the core voltage or leave it at auto?

 

[Strange Times]

maybe shader cache issues with 6600?

 

[aska33j]

Hello does this happen in all games? Because it could be just be a situation where 16gb is just not enough and the game is using the paging file to read/write data thus the spikes due to it accessing slower memory.

yes all games. but for me most games use 10gb or less. is there a way to check if a game is using the paging file?

 

[aska33j]

Your SoC voltage is fine
Core voltage (SVI2 TFN) seems a bit low but for 4.4-4.5GHz I think its fine and unless you somehow did a huge undervolt its a non issue. The CPU is self regulating on voltage.
Your CPU temps are on the high side but its normal due to high power limit and average/low cooling capacity.

Have you alter anything in PBO besides just enabling it?
For PPT/TDC/EDC limit settings I would recommend to do them manually.
Limits are unnecessary high now. Not saying that this is the culprit of your issue though.
I would set them to
PPT: 90W
TDC: 65A
EDC: 90A
...for the R5 5600

Defaults are even lower.

The issue of sudden FPS drop spike can be anything. Like a background task briefly taking over system resources or the gaming data that needs to be moved around is too much.
What other apps are you using during your gaming sessions?


Power Reporting Deviation (PRD) can be anything between 0% and 1000% during simple every day usage including gaming.
And it means absolutely nothing on those cases.

This PRD sensor is to be monitored(observed) only on 100% CPU load (Core Usage and Max CPU/Thread Usage at 100% constantly) like on a stressed test or MultiThreaded benchmark or some real MT app like editing or rendering

CPU Utility is normal going over 100%

View attachment 368706

View attachment 368705

Please read the description and important note of the PRD sensor tool tip

View attachment 368707

i set the limits you suggested and i instantly hit PPT limit and clocks wont go above 4.1ghz. temps 72
So i set everything in the ram section to auto and turned DOCP 3200mhz. Tested again and its hitting 94% of max PTT while maintaining 4.5ghz. I guess the ram Overclock i tried didnt work for me.

here are the memory timings and voltages. But i think they are very low no?

Should i raise the voltages or leave them on Auto?

 

[PsyGab]

yes all games. but for me most games use 10gb or less. is there a way to check if a game is using the paging file?

I just use task manager to look how much of the disk is being used. Or you can look at the disk usage of a particular program in the processes tab

 

[aska33j]

i set the limits you suggested and i instantly hit PPT limit and clocks wont go above 4.1ghz. temps 72
So i set everything in the ram section to auto and turned DOCP 3200mhz. Tested again and its hitting 94% of max PTT while maintaining 4.5ghz. I guess the ram Overclock i tried didnt work for me.

here are the memory timings and voltages. But i think they are very low no?

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Should i raise the voltages or leave them on Auto?

Your cpu voltage is way low. 1.2v max is waaay undervolted.

This is not normal behavior btw. This is due to your non default settings.
You are literally using 28% of the available TDC.

What kind of cooler are you using?

here are my voltages. Should i raise them or leave them on Auto?

 

[Redwoodz]

Your SoC voltage is fine
Core voltage (SVI2 TFN) seems a bit low but for 4.4-4.5GHz I think its fine and unless you somehow did a huge undervolt its a non issue. The CPU is self regulating on voltage.
Your CPU temps are on the high side but its normal due to high power limit and average/low cooling capacity.

Have you alter anything in PBO besides just enabling it?
For PPT/TDC/EDC limit settings I would recommend to do them manually.
Limits are unnecessary high now. Not saying that this is the culprit of your issue though.
I would set them to
PPT: 90W
TDC: 65A
EDC: 90A
...for the R5 5600

Defaults are even lower.

The issue of sudden FPS drop spike can be anything. Like a background task briefly taking over system resources or the gaming data that needs to be moved around is too much.
What other apps are you using during your gaming sessions?


Power Reporting Deviation (PRD) can be anything between 0% and 1000% during simple every day usage including gaming.
And it means absolutely nothing on those cases.

This PRD sensor is to be monitored(observed) only on 100% CPU load (Core Usage and Max CPU/Thread Usage at 100% constantly) like on a stressed test or MultiThreaded benchmark or some real MT app like editing or rendering

CPU Utility is normal going over 100%

View attachment 368706

View attachment 368705

Please read the description and important note of the PRD sensor tool tip

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^ " Small differences from 100% are normal, but if the result is greater than 110% it should be of concern. It is highly recommended to visit the HWinfo forum for further detail"
OP I would leave it on auto for now.
There is a new bios for your motherboard, might want to try that.

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[Zach_01]

@aska33j You can leave voltages on auto. No point overvolting anything in your case.

Any change now on the FPS? Does is still spike with the latest settings?

^ " Small differences from 100% are normal, but if the result is greater than 110% it should be of concern. It is highly recommended to visit the HWinfo forum for further detail”

But only when the CPU is on 100% load. Otherwise you can not take it under account.
As I said on normal usage and on gaming it can be 0-1000% and it means nothing.

 

[Redwoodz]

@aska33j You can leave voltages on auto. No point overvolting anything in your case.

Any change now on the FPS? Does is still spike with the latest settings?


But only when the CPU is on 100% load. Otherwise you can not take it under account.
As I said on normal usage and on gaming it can be 0-1000% and it means nothing.

It literally says in the description it means over-reporting of bios power, so the cpu thinks it's running at higher power than it really is. How can a curve optimizer function with faulty data?
If you feel this has no impact that's your opinion, not fact. Especially since his cpu was hitting higher temps than it should with 1.2v. Trying to determine his systems issue.

 

[Zach_01]

yes all games. but for me most games use 10gb or less. is there a way to check if a game is using the paging file?

HWiNFO has a sensor about paging file usage. In the memory section of the sensors. It’s the first section before the CPU frequency.
You can check it after gaming

It literally says in the description it means over-reporting of bios power, so the cpu thinks it's running at higher power than it really is. How can a curve optimizer function with faulty data?
If you feel this has no impact that's your opinion, not fact. Especially since his cpu was hitting higher temps than it should with 1.2v. Trying to determine his systems issue.

You clearly did not understand that this sensor has a value only under 100% CPU load. Read the description again. On gaming or normal usage is useless. That is a fact. I’ve talked with the author of HWiNFO…

 

[aska33j]

@aska33j You can leave voltages on auto. No point overvolting anything in your case.

Any change now on the FPS? Does is still spike with the latest settings?


But only when the CPU is on 100% load. Otherwise you can not take it under account.
As I said on normal usage and on gaming it can be 0-1000% and it means nothing.

i downloaded afterburner again and ive been testing with power limits you recommended. and there was random spikes but not as frequent

so i came across this post ( https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...c-fps-drops-for-a-second-microstutter.317300/ ) And someone suggested the OP to raise the SOC to 1.15v. And i did in bios it was set to auto with 0.985v i added an offset of 0.15v so it would round up to 1.25v just to be safe but its showing 1.5v. is the soc this high safe for my computer or too much?

after some testing i think it actually fixed my issue

This third image shows what was my issue a very noticeable spike. it feels like the game just froze for a second

^ " Small differences from 100% are normal, but if the result is greater than 110% it should be of concern. It is highly recommended to visit the HWinfo forum for further detail"
OP I would leave it on auto for now.
There is a new bios for your motherboard, might want to try that.

PRIME B450M-K II｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

AMD B450 micro ATX motherboard features M.2 support, USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A, 1 Gb Ethernet, HDMI/DVI-D/D-Sub, BIOS FlashBack™. Prime B450M-K II caters to daily users and all builders looking for well-rounded specs and a range of options for performance tuning via intuitive software and firmware.

www.asus.com

the bios is still in beta. should i wait for an official release or okay to install now?

 

[Redwoodz]

I wouldnt if your system is working normally.

HWiNFO has a sensor about paging file usage. In the memory section of the sensors. It’s the first section before the CPU frequency.
You can check it after gaming


You clearly did not understand that this sensor has a value only under 100% CPU load. Read the description again. On gaming or normal usage is useless. That is a fact. I’ve talked with the author of HWiNFO…

I was only concerned with the max values, which OBVIOUSLY only happen when under max load. Not hard to figure out.

 

[Ruru]

Your cpu voltage is way low. 1.2v max is waaay undervolted.

This is not normal behavior btw. This is due to your non default settings.
You are literally using 28% of the available TDC.

What kind of cooler are you using?

The OP's whole PC would crash if there would be too much undervolt.

I have its CPU's bigger brother (5800X) and the voltage sails from 0.97V to 1.49V with auto voltage and -20 CO depending of the load and usage.

 

[Zach_01]

I was only concerned with the max values, which OBVIOUSLY only happen when under max load. Not hard to figure out.

I understand what you’re saying and the logic behind it.
But I also understand that you do not own a Zen2/3 system. Otherwise you would know that max reported PRD value, like for example 150-700% does not occur under max CPU load, just because it’s max value. It doesn’t work that way.

i downloaded afterburner again and ive been testing with power limits you recommended. and there was random spikes but not as frequent

so i came across this post ( https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...c-fps-drops-for-a-second-microstutter.317300/ ) And someone suggested the OP to raise the SOC to 1.15v. And i did in bios it was set to auto with 0.985v i added an offset of 0.15v so it would round up to 1.25v just to be safe but its showing 1.5v. is the soc this high safe for my computer or too much?

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after some testing i think it actually fixed my issue
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This third image shows what was my issue a very noticeable spike. it feels like the game just froze for a second
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the bios is still in beta. should i wait for an official release or okay to install now?

Glad you found the solution.
It is said that SoC voltage on AM4 is safe up to 1.25V. Personally I don’t recommend anything above 1.2V.
At 1.15V you are perfectly fine.

If the issue is fixed now you can focus on tuning the system.
First I would test to see if what the BIOS is reporting as CPU power is true or not and how close is the reported value to reality.

1.
Use PPT:100W, TDC:70A, EDC:95A

2. Have HWiNFO opened and make visible the following sensors
a) CPU PPT
b) Power reporting deviation.

3.
Start Cinebench R23 or 24 on multithreaded mode

4.
A couple of seconds after CB starts click the clock icon on HWiNFO sensor window (bottom right) to reset all sensor values.

5. Wait a few minutes and before CB finishes, take the screenshot.

6.
Post the screenshot here or write what was the reported values of…
a) CPU PPT:___?
b) Power Reporting Deviation___?
…during the CB test

I would prefer a screenshot where the above with be visible during the test

 

[Redwoodz]

I understand what you’re saying and the logic behind it.
But I also understand that you do not own a Zen2/3 system. Otherwise you would know that max reported PRD value, like for example 150-700% does not occur under max CPU load, just because it’s max value. It doesn’t work that way.

Glad you found the solution.
It is said that SoC voltage on AM4 is safe up to 1.25V. Personally I don’t recommend anything above 1.2V.
At 1.15V you are perfectly fine.

If the issue is fixed now you can focus on tuning the system.
First I would test to see if what the BIOS is reporting as CPU power is true or not and how close is the reported value to reality.

1.
Use PPT:100W, TDC:70A, EDC:95A

2. Have HWiNFO opened and make visible the following sensors
a) CPU PPT
b) Power reporting deviation.

3.
Start Cinebench R23 or 24 on multithreaded mode

4.
A couple of seconds after CB starts click the clock icon on HWiNFO sensor window (bottom right) to reset all sensor values.

5. Wait a few minutes and before CB finishes, take the screenshot.

6.
Post the screenshot here or write what was the reported values of…
a)?CPU PPT:___?
b) PowerReportingDeviation___?
…during the CB test

I would prefer a screenshot where the above was fin

It was undervolted just like I said. I have owned every AMD system since Slot A.