R700 Launch in for Wet-Weather, GTX 280 Slash Coming Up

[tkpenalty]

OK does this mean I should return my hd4850 and hang on to the 8800GTX until the dust settle before upgrading?

no. Thats a stupid way to think. 4850 > 8800GTX anyway.

 

[imperialreign]

I was referring to the game profiles that are updated through driver releases. The default AFR on the 3870x2 only gave about a 0-5 fps increase over the 3870
That's why its an incredible thing that AMD can still release updated drivers each month for these dual cards even when there are an influx of new games for that month.

However, there are games that naturally support the AFR in the coding (Assassin's Creed). Those games will have improvements that nearly match the game profiles itself.
I just wish more developers will do that, even though most of them are now doing it in secret anyway

sorry, you're earlier post was a bit misleading

still, nVidia are tightening the belt something fierce right now, and it doesn't really look like it's helping them much at all.


I must say, though, I think this is the first time we've ever seen nVidia constantly slashing their prices since a series was released. AMD have definitely lit a pyre under their ass

 

[tkpenalty]

Actually guys, remember that Nvidia has a majority of the cards already sold to the AIB partners. Since nvidia is controlling the pricing, they've dropped it. This doesn't mean that the have losses; the AIB partners do.

As a result Nvidia ISNT losing much, BUT they are using this to kill the competition. Anti-competitive if you ask me.

"Lets hope they make as little as possible with this so their next product wont be as effective so we can take advantage and profit"

 

[Megasty]

sorry, you're earlier post was a bit misleading

still, nVidia are tightening the belt something fierce right now, and it doesn't really look like it's helping them much at all.


I must say, though, I think this is the first time we've ever seen nVidia constantly slashing their prices since a series was released. AMD have definitely lit a pyre under their ass

Yeah, I didn't want to get too technical in that post, plus I lost my train-of-thought mid-way through

The last few weeks certainly has been interesting indeed. I guess NV got way too caught up in that 'we are the best so we charge the most' BS.
Getting a once $650 card for $420 has me reeling just as much as NV was when they finally remembered the details on the 4870x2

 

[PCpraiser100]

I hate NVIDIA because they are just keep on getting assisted by Microsoft and other companies when new things pop up such as DX11. AMD (the good guys) are just doing what is best for us while NVIDIA just catches up by being "innocent" in saying that they're the leaders in graphics solution, they are BUT NOT IN THEORY. They are basically cheating their way in by Microsoft kissing their ass if they get hurt while bribing game manufacturers to create engines that scale more with NVIDIA cards. AGEIA is a great example as they are kissing NVIDIA's ass by giving them the right to put PhysX technology in their GTX 200 line. While AMD comes too late in the offering that AGEIA only accepts them by CERTAIN CONDITIONS. Samsung and other display companies are best friends with AMD which is why ATI cards are the only cards to have GDDR4 and GDDR5 memory. AMD is also being kissed in the ass as well, but only for the sake of customers to keep creating 100% genuine solutions that truly kick ass when benched in games with mediocre engines such as Source-powered Half-life 2 Episode 2, and in some cases COD4. This is why NVIDIA is always on the move to cut corners in the world of performance, because AMD is their biggest threat since they cut off important limbs of NVIDIA that needed for the green team to survive. Such as stocks, customers, and profiting-by-price. Soon, because of NVIDIA focused on surviving rather than competing this will spread on to sister companies such as BFG moving on to manufacturing ATI cards, or more custom driver availability for those with SLI components. But I don't mean to be ORACLE OF COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY as I have already told you enough so get out lol.

 

[TheGuruStud]

^^ Someone needs to calm down. I love AMD, but that's a lot of speculation and ATI does not equal AMD. I wouldn't speak of them as the same entity for quite some time.

 

[H82LUZ73]

I like seeing an $800 card go down $400 in price with in 2 weeks lol

 

[TheGuruStud]

I like seeing an $800 card go down $400 in price with in 2 weeks lol

No kidding.

I'm thinking about 9800 GTX+ in SLI (and overclocked) when the prices fall some more.

Would be pretty hard to beat for the money.

 

[candle_86]

I hate NVIDIA because they are just keep on getting assisted by Microsoft and other companies when new things pop up such as DX11. AMD (the good guys) are just doing what is best for us while NVIDIA just catches up by being "innocent" in saying that they're the leaders in graphics solution, they are BUT NOT IN THEORY. They are basically cheating their way in by Microsoft kissing their ass if they get hurt while bribing game manufacturers to create engines that scale more with NVIDIA cards. AGEIA is a great example as they are kissing NVIDIA's ass by giving them the right to put PhysX technology in their GTX 200 line. While AMD comes too late in the offering that AGEIA only accepts them by CERTAIN CONDITIONS. Samsung and other display companies are best friends with AMD which is why ATI cards are the only cards to have GDDR4 and GDDR5 memory. AMD is also being kissed in the ass as well, but only for the sake of customers to keep creating 100% genuine solutions that truly kick ass when benched in games with mediocre engines such as Source-powered Half-life 2 Episode 2, and in some cases COD4. This is why NVIDIA is always on the move to cut corners in the world of performance, because AMD is their biggest threat since they cut off important limbs of NVIDIA that needed for the green team to survive. Such as stocks, customers, and profiting-by-price. Soon, because of NVIDIA focused on surviving rather than competing this will spread on to sister companies such as BFG moving on to manufacturing ATI cards, or more custom driver availability for those with SLI components. But I don't mean to be ORACLE OF COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY as I have already told you enough so get out lol.

Agieia didnt give Nvidia physix rights, Nvidia owns Ageia, Ageia was going belly up and Nvidia bought them out its that simple, Ageia didnt have much of a say if they wanted to leave the market with any money

 

[PCpraiser100]

Agieia didnt give Nvidia physix rights, Nvidia owns Ageia, Ageia was going belly up and Nvidia bought them out its that simple, Ageia didnt have much of a say if they wanted to leave the market with any money

Thanks for the edit, but it is true that the companies had relations by optimizing PhysX for NVIDIA, before they were bought from the company.

 

[candle_86]

Thanks for the edit, but it is true that the companies had relations by optimizing PhysX for NVIDIA, before they were bought from the company.

not really, untill the merger Ageia did it own thing, its why it failed, it didnt get support from any of the big players man. If it had partnered with Nvidia in the beggining we'd have alot more Physx games today, no the sad fact is Ageia thought they go into this market without any support from the other players, and we all know the new kid always gets picked up unless one of the popular kids steps in to stop the fight

 

[PCpraiser100]

not really, untill the merger Ageia did it own thing, its why it failed, it didnt get support from any of the big players man. If it had partnered with Nvidia in the beggining we'd have alot more Physx games today, no the sad fact is Ageia thought they go into this market without any support from the other players, and we all know the new kid always gets picked up unless one of the popular kids steps in to stop the fight

Hmmm...sounds reasonable to me. I guess mind block is on the loose.

 

[NinkobEi]

well considering the 4870x2 reviews show it 80% faster than the GTX280, unless nv drop the 280's price down to 300 it wont be able to compete.

 

[candle_86]

yea man just cool it ok, we are all annoyed at Both compaines around here actully. ATI with there drivers and Nvidia with there pricing, both compaines are being annoying. Just sit back, grab a beer and watch the show

 

[candle_86]

well considering the 4870x2 reviews show it 80% faster than the GTX280, unless nv drop the 280's price down to 300 it wont be able to compete.

i beg to differ actully, pre release reviews show alot of things, i wait till we know cold hard facts myself

 

[NympH]

I don't care if they lower it to 200$, im buying a 4870 X2 anyway...

 

[candle_86]

go right ahead and do so, people bought the 2900XT over the 8800GTS640, and that didnt make sense either

 

[PCpraiser100]

I'm not fumed up or anything, I was just giving out details, just keep the community balanced with what I know about both companies. I've been looking at both companies, past and present, for nearly 3 years and I was just telling their history like an elder lecturing the kiddies lol.

 

[PCpraiser100]

go right ahead and do so, people bought the 2900XT over the 8800GTS640, and that didnt make sense either

The new R700 core and Teraflop engine is really starting to shine, since it has potential of resisting so much on what graphics has to offer, which is why its really starting to show lost muscle in Crysis. But don't get too comfortable, as DX11 is announced and some NVIDIA games like GRID are putting a real hit on these cards when Xfire'd. If the engine of this game is continued, don't buy unless the future drivers fix it. However there is some light at the end of the cave as Catalyst 8.7's beta drivers is positively previewing the upcoming driver in 3DMark06. Google through different forums and see for yourself!

 

[Megasty]

The 8.7 beta actually did give the 4870x2 a great performance boost to the previewers that used it. Some of those goofballs even used 8.5 But most of them used the 8.6 hotfix. But that beta is terribly unstable with the 4870 & 4850, & it yacks up CFx to the point where it eats away at your device manager. I'm never using any beta drivers, EVER :shadedshu

 

[PCpraiser100]

But that beta is terribly unstable with the 4870 & 4850, & it yacks up CFx to the point where it eats away at your device manager. I'm never using any beta drivers, EVER :shadedshu

Well of course, all betas are unstable at some extent. If not then what is the point of betas?!

 

[dragonavenger]

Very interesting editorial…

I invite you to take the following into consideration:

• GTX 280/260 cards have additional clocking and driver optimization potential. However, 48xx cards do, as well (especially when future "unlocked" 4870 variants will result in dramatic core and mammoth DDR5 speed increases). So, the card revision argument, on both camps, is relatively moot… both possess relatively new architectures with performance increases we can expect.

• When the 9800 GX2 arrived on the market, its price premium over the 3870 X2 didn't prevent GX2s from experiencing healthy sales (in spite of ATI lowering its prices on the 3870 X2). And, so far, the average performance advantage that the 4870 X2 holds over the GTX 280 (with preliminary silicon and drivers) is greater than the performance lead the GX2 initially had over the 3870 X2. Additionally, the price premium of R700 over the GTX 280 (even with slashed GTX 280 prices) will not amount to the price disparity which eventually existed between the GX2s and 3870 X2.

Naturally, the R700 will cost more because it (is and) will be the absolute and outright performance leader… and, at launch, will hold that performance title at a lower price-point than the GX2s took advantage of for so long.

Great Post. The reality.

 

[twicksisted]

The new R700 core and Teraflop engine is really starting to shine, since it has potential of resisting so much on what graphics has to offer, which is why its really starting to show lost muscle in Crysis. But don't get too comfortable, as DX11 is announced and some NVIDIA games like GRID are putting a real hit on these cards when Xfire'd. If the engine of this game is continued, don't buy unless the future drivers fix it. However there is some light at the end of the cave as Catalyst 8.7's beta drivers is positively previewing the upcoming driver in 3DMark06. Google through different forums and see for yourself!

i checked out Catalyst 8.7beta in google and it seems that all they are is the Hotfix driver for the 48XX series cards.... hope not as i was expecting a performance boost with the next catalyst for my 4870 card

 

[imperialreign]

i checked out Catalyst 8.7beta in google and it seems that all they are is the Hotfix driver for the 48XX series cards.... hope not as i was expecting a performance boost with the next catalyst for my 4870 card

IIRC - wasn't there a thread around here that debunked the 8.7 betas as being fake?

 

[candle_86]

meh i cant see 80% lead myself seeing as how a single card preforms compared to a GTX280 its damn near impssible without 100% efficny whish is IMO impossible.