Radeon RX 7800 XT Based on New ASIC with Navi 31 GCD on Navi 32 Package?

[AusWolf]

Okay, plenty of games (dota 2 as an example) crash the drivers when run on dx11. It was a very common issue with RDNA2 but im hearing it also happen with RDNA3.

I haven't got Dota 2, but I also haven't had any single issue with any DX11 game with my RDNA 2 cards.

Driver installation requires you to disconnect from the internet. Which I guess is okay if you already know about it, I didn't, took me couple of hours to figure out why my laptop isn't working.

That's another thing I've never had with RDNA 2. It sounds like a problem with your laptop, not a problem with RDNA 2.

the desktop parts with the io die, those draw 30-40w sitting there idle doing nothing.

More like 20, but I get what you mean.

 

[JustBenching]

I haven't got Dota 2, but I also haven't had any single issue with any DX11 game with my RDNA 2 cards.


That's another thing I've never had with RDNA 2. It sounds like a problem with your laptop, not a problem with RDNA 2.


More like 20, but I get what you mean.

It's definitely not a problem with my laptop. The advice I got from various forums regarding the issue was to disconnect. That happened 2 weeks ago. On restarting windows downloads it's own drivers for amd cards. It's still happening man.

 

[AusWolf]

It's definitely not a problem with my laptop. The advice I got from various forums regarding the issue was to disconnect. That happened 2 weeks ago. On restarting windows downloads it's own drivers for amd cards. It's still happening man.

It's the first (and so far, only) time I've ever heard about it.

Edit: In my experience, RDNA 2 is the most stable thing on AMD since the good old GCN days.

 

[JustBenching]

It's the first (and so far, only) time I've ever heard about it.

Edit: In my experience, RDNA 2 is the most stable thing on AMD since the good old GCN days.

Really? From what im hearing it's very common.

 

[AusWolf]

Really? From what im hearing it's very common.

In the last year or so, I've had a 6400, a 6500 XT and a 6750 XT in 3 different systems (one AM4, one AM5 and one Intel 1200), and never had this, or any other issue with any of them.

 

[john_]

So because you can run dx12 it's not an issue that it doesn't work with dx 11?

Don't distort what I posted.
I said I can't find people talking about it, maybe you can provide some info?
I also said if the game can run under DX12, why run it under DX11?
Again, have some info? Post it. I found nothing. Until you post info, you lie.

Exactly. Im talking about specific cases where it's the amd gpu at fault, I know cause i've tested with the iGPU instead and it works fine.

So, RTX 4070 and RTX 3080 are AMD GPUs now?
Re read what I posted, don't distort it with nonsense. Can you do it? probably not.
And explain why the GPUs in the link I gave you are ALL RTX cards.

It IS an ongoing issue. Happened to me literally 2 weeks ago that I got my laptop. How is it fixed? You can doubt all you want, I don't have 1 amd laptop, I have 3 (6900hs, 6800u, 5600h).

Never happened to me. But I did said to you what WAS the issue. You keep ignoring what people reply to you even when it is important information to you - if we accept to believe that you do have AMD hardware. Unfortunately you just want to do the usual anti AMD posts and never admit that something got fixed.

Those amd cpus and apus are the mobile parts that don't have the io die. Those are great, that's why I buy amd laptops. But the desktop parts with the io die, those draw 30-40w sitting there idle doing nothing.
Every single alder and raptor lake cpu idles at 2w and browses the web at 5-10w on balanced windows power plan.

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review - The Best Gaming CPU - Power Consumption & Efficiency | TechPowerUp
Would you write ONE line that it will not be a lie? The above measurements are in Single Thread load, not idle. Idle obviously will be lower.

 

[londiste]

What Intel CPU does that exactly? Unless you are comparing laptop i3 vs 16 core desktop AMD, then this is pure nonsense as there are exactly 0 desktop CPUs that eat only 5W on idle, let alone during video playback.

i5-8400 I had before moving to AM4 consumed 7-8W at idle.
Every chiplet AM4 CPU by default uses 12-13W - from being chiplet - plus some more from CCDs, generally ending up at 27-28W. 3600X, 5600X, 5800X3D all have been doing exactly that.
5600G I had for a while, however, went nicely down to ~10W.

 

[JustBenching]

i5-8400 I had before moving to AM4 consumed 7-8W at idle.
Every chiplet AM4 CPU by default uses 12-13W - from being chiplet - plus some more from CCDs, generally ending up at 27-28W. 3600X, 5600X, 5800X3D all have been doing exactly that.
5600G I had for a while, however, went nicely down to ~10W.

Exactly that.

Sent from my amd hardware that I do not have cause im lying

 

[john_]

Exactly that.

Sent from my amd hardware that I do not have cause im lying

You are so excited feeling that the above post gives you an easy way out to avoid answering about all those lies you threw by now. About DOTA2, about Diablo IV, the fact that you avoided commenting on the link I showed you where a bunch of people with RTX cards are having problems with that game, the lies about still having problems with driver installation.
So much excitement it's almost pathetic.
Have a nice day.

i5-8400 I had before moving to AM4 consumed 7-8W at idle.
Every chiplet AM4 CPU by default uses 12-13W - from being chiplet - plus some more from CCDs, generally ending up at 27-28W. 3600X, 5600X, 5800X3D all have been doing exactly that.
5600G I had for a while, however, went nicely down to ~10W.

Review numbers from Wiz put the 5800X3D at 20W under single thread load and then some of AM4 and AM5 models moving lower even than that.

Based on HW Monitor my R5 5500 goes even under 7W while idle, hovering around 8-9W, while my R5 4600G plays around 10W(under 8W min), which makes sense, considering it's iGPU is also in use.

 

[JustBenching]

12900k on a discord call with a browser and 2 videos streaming, 5w

Spoiler

You are so excited feeling that the above post gives you an easy way out to avoid answering about all those lies you threw by now. About DOTA2, about Diablo IV, the fact that you avoided commenting on the link I showed you where a bunch of people with RTX cards are having problems with that game, the lies about still having problems with driver installation.
So much excitement it's almost pathetic.
Have a nice day.


Review numbers from Wiz put the 5800X3D at 20W under single thread load and then some of AM4 and AM5 models moving lower even than that.

Based on HW Monitor my R5 5500 goes even under 7W while idle, hovering around 8-9W, while my R5 4600G plays around 10W(under 8W min), which makes sense, considering it's iGPU is also in use.

If you werent so aggressive I might have,, but it's obvious you are arguing in bad faith, so I have no interest.

 

[john_]

12900k on a discord call with a browser and 2 videos streaming, 5w

Spoiler

If you werent so aggressive I might have,, but it's obvious you are arguing in bad faith, so I have no interest.

You could reply just to prove me wrong and in bad faith as you say.
Still here I am telling you that you lie and still you can't prove me wrong. You threw half a dozen of BS, you proved none. What is the above screenshot? Maybe that DOTA 2 you said? Maybe that Diablo 4? Maybe that 30-40W power consumption? Maybe that things about the driver installation?

Keep hiding behind your finger. No on will ever notice. Don't worry.
Done wasting time with you.

 

[the54thvoid]

For the love of Henry Winkler...

The thread title is this:

Radeon RX 7800 XT Based on New ASIC with Navi 31 GCD on Navi 32 Package?​

Stop derailing it with off-topic arguments about other cards, other generations, and game specific scenarios. No further warnings.

 

[sethmatrix7]

Well now that the power consumption cope n' seethe is over...

I'm hoping the 7700 XT and 7800 XT end up good. The 6xxx cards are nearly gone so they should come out soon. I'd do a 4070 but $600 is pretty steep to lose to a 6900 XT

 

[forman313]

i5-8400 I had before moving to AM4 consumed 7-8W at idle.
Every chiplet AM4 CPU by default uses 12-13W - from being chiplet - plus some more from CCDs, generally ending up at 27-28W. 3600X, 5600X, 5800X3D all have been doing exactly that.
5600G I had for a while, however, went nicely down to ~10W.

R7 5800H, Power Saver mode, lowest brightness. System power consumption is < 3w. In Balanced mode ~6w. The problem is implementation. Manufacturers have no idea how to make use of all the power saving features in modern AMD chips. Or maybe they just dont care.

 

[JustBenching]

R7 5800H, Power Saver mode, lowest brightness. System power consumption is < 3w. In Balanced mode ~6w. The problem is implementation. Manufacturers have no idea how to make use of all the power saving features in modern AMD chips. Or maybe they just dont care.

Τhat's a mobile chip, doesn't have the IO die that desktops do. My 6900hs also drops to 2w.

 

[forman313]

Τhat's a mobile chip, doesn't have the IO die that desktops do. My 6900hs also drops to 2w.

Neither has the 5600G mentioned in the post I quoted. Its the same piece of silicon.

 

[Shelterdeck]

I need a new card to replace my old and noisy 1070.
Hanging on (with an itchy trigger finger for a 6900xt) for the 7800xt.
Who amongst you would have a guess at the MRSP of that new card?

 

[AusWolf]

I need a new card to replace my old and noisy 1070.
Hanging on (with an itchy trigger finger for a 6900xt) for the 7800xt.
Who amongst you would have a guess at the MRSP of that new card?

There's no point in guessing. If you need a new GPU right now, just buy one. Don't wait for something that may or may not be released soon and may or may not be suited to your needs and price range.

 

[Shelterdeck]

There's no point in guessing. If you need a new GPU right now, just buy one. Don't wait for something that may or may not be released soon and may or may not be suited to your needs and price range.

Well the truth is I don't need one just now but with the price of the 6000 series dropping daily it's tempting to get tooled up before the Bethesda game arrives in September and I have a sneaky feeling that the 7000 cards may,or be not be,half decent if the price is right.

 

[AusWolf]

Well the truth is I don't need one just now but with the price of the 6000 series dropping daily it's tempting to get tooled up before the Bethesda game arrives in September and I have a sneaky feeling that the 7000 cards may,or be not be,half decent if the price is right.

The 6000 cards are dropping in price to clear inventory for the 7000 series. No one knows what the 7700 and 7800 series will be like in price and performance, or if they'll have any issues, or when exactly they're coming, so I'd just rather get that 6900 XT if the price is right for you. Early adoption isn't really worth it these days unless you like experimenting with new and potentially unstable hardware.