Radeon RX Vega Needs a "Damn Lot of Power:" AIB Partner Rep

[trparky]

Power usage does not even form a blip on my radar.

I don't know about you but I care. Not only do I care about the power usage since electricity isn't cheap and heat output isn't that great either since that means I'm going to have to spend more money in terms of having to run my AC more often during the summer months.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

Yeah whats your cost per KWH? cause I doubt your GPU is running max clock 24/7 lol.

Local market 6.7 cents or 7cents per KWH. 24.7 for 30 days Vega would cost me $18.90 to run.

At 3 hours of gaming per day thats just $2.36 a 1080Ti would be $1.57

Driving a 4 cylinder vs my v6 in MPG 20 vs 35 The cost in gas per day driving would dwarf the cost of the GPUs power usage. People are just highly illogical.

 

[trparky]

7.38 cents per kWh.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

How many hours do you game per day then average? pretty sure its not 24hrs a day. Unless you F@H on GPU / CPU or WCG or Bitcoin mine lol. The cost is so small to be unnoticeable per month.

In fact my old LCD TV uses 300w 13 year old CCFL ancient 1080p pos. It spends more time in use. My TV costs me more per month to use than a Vega GPU will to put that into perspective.

 

[cdawall]

I have in many occasions blatantly ignored power consumption. My rig a few back was an overclocked TEC cooled 9370 and two 7950's. The whole system pushed upwards up 900w under load. Guess what that doesn't so well? Silence. I have gotten rather used to lower noise systems as of late. AMD has a huge catchup to play of these end up being nearly 400w setups for single card to compete with a 250w nvidia product. What happens when people run two? Well now you no longer need just and 800-1000w psu you need 1200-1500w behemoths. You no longer have only 600-700w of heat being dumped into a case you have 900-1000w. All of this looks like well shit. This isn't a good business plan and it isn't good for consumers.

And just in case you are curious what 800w worth of video card heat does, it shuts motherboards down from over temp on the mosfets. Don't believe me? Look around a bit.

 

[Octopuss]

^ agree.
I don't care about electricity cost at all (my parents in law pay for the entire house costs), but I do care about heat. In the past few years, I became fairly sensitive to fan noise, and the fans on my XFX Rx 480 (which is not noisy) started to piss me off to the point of having to limit their maximum speed.
My case only has one fan (outtake), and even that is driving me nuts at times. There's no way I'd willingly install a graphic card that produces excessive amounts of heat.

 

[EarthDog]

7.38 cents per kWh.

thats cheap kwh. You should do the math...

 

[Xpect]

I'm sorry, but this news is completely WRONG! I even registered just to tell you so.

"Specs van Vega RX gezien. Tering wat power heeft die nodig." is NOT translated as anything with "Vega draws high power." It means "Seen the specs of Vega. It draws the power it needs."

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

I'm sorry, but this news is completely WRONG! I even registered just to tell you so.

"Specs van Vega RX gezien. Tering wat power heeft die nodig." is NOT translated as anything with "Vega draws high power." It means "Seen the specs of Vega. It draws the power it needs."

Thank you for the correction and Welcome to techpowerup!

 

[Fx]

Great... here comes the wattage police.

 

[Aquinus]

no one gives a fuck about power usage in reality. Its a bs metric we we use to see who can piss farther. What will matter is end all be all performance. If the card is affordable, and performs on par with a 1080Ti people will buy it. Power usage does not even form a blip on my radar. High end GPU expect high end power consumption. All that matters is performance per $ for a GPU.

I think that there are people who look at it that way but, lets look beyond just power consumption. What happens when a machine produces more heat? You have to get rid of it and most methods of moving heat beyond mere convection tends to make noise and more heat tends to mean more noise (not always but, it's added cost.) For someone who wants a quiet computer, higher power consumption makes that harder and more costly to achieve. For years I only wanted fast and that was that. It could sound like a server for all I cared but, as I've gotten older I've definitely re-evaluated my views on the matter to the point where the next machine I build is going to be factoring in noise because I don't always want to be wearing headphones or cranking up the speakers just to hear what's going on.

So while you've made an excellent point with respect to the cost of power itself, it doesn't factor in the downside of needing beefier cooling to handle it which has side-effects that aren't necessarily measured in financial cost but, there are some that aren't even related to the cost of energy itself.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

I think that there are people who look at it that way but, lets look beyond just power consumption. What happens when a machine produces more heat? You have to get rid of it and most methods of moving heat beyond mere convection tends to make noise and more heat tends to mean more noise (not always but, it's added cost.) For someone who wants a quiet computer, higher power consumption makes that harder and more costly to achieve. For years I only wanted fast and that was that. It could sound like a server for all I cared but, as I've gotten older I've definitely re-evaluated my views on the matter to the point where the next machine I build is going to be factoring in noise because I don't always want to be wearing headphones or cranking up the speakers just to hear what's going on.

So while you've made an excellent point with respect to the cost of power itself, it doesn't factor in the downside of needing beefier cooling to handle it which has side-effects that aren't necessarily measured in financial cost but, there are some that aren't even related to the cost of energy itself.

Yes heat, the all mighty issue, Okay... so in todays world of mostly 65-95w CPUs vs previous generation of 125-140w CPUs being mainstream. Doesn't that basically cancel out the difference? SSDs use less power. Newer designs chip sets etc use less power. This is factoring in total wattage that will produce heat.

On a card by card basis an after market cooled GTX 1080 Ti factory overclocked model will hit 300 - 320w VEGA air cooled is 300w TDP.... so tell me whats the problem again? 1080 Ti reference still hits 267. Most people that are overclocking boost the TDP limit. So once again its a moot point. an after market 1080 Ti with TDP limit boosted can easily push 350w. So even if and its a big if that VEGA hits 375w as its total design power. It ends up not really being any worse than the GTX 1080 Ti after market cards available already.

Essentially the end all be all should result in a difference between the two of about 25w the real decider will be again performance and price. AMD will be using an AIO on the 375w card so noise isnt likely to be a huge issue. The air cooled card? after market designs from ASUS with the Strix or MSI with their Twin Frozr will mitigate noise.

 

[Aquinus]

an aftermarket cooled GTX 1080Ti factory overclocked model will hit 300 - 320w VEGA air cooled is 300w TDP.... so tell me whats the problem again? 1080Ti reference still hits 267. Most people that are overclocking boost the TDP limit. So once again its a moot point. an aftermarket 1080Ti with TDP limit boosted can easily push 350w. So even if and its a big if that VEGA hits 375w as its total design power. It ends up not really being any worse than the GTX 1080Ti aftermarket cards available already.

And how much noise does the GPU and chassis fans make to hold those boost clocks? With a 3820 and a 390, I'm no stranger to power consumption. At full tilt the sucker gets hot if the chassis fans aren't turned up. I believe that the 1080Ti can do these things but once again it boils down to how loud is the machine to maintain those clocks and what do you as a user consider acceptable and what are you willing to tolerate or go through in order to get it the way you want it, right? 300W+ of thermal energy doesn't just disappear into the void, something has to be done with it and that something usually makes noise.

 

[cdawall]

Yes heat, the all mighty issue, Okay... so in todays world of mostly 65-95w CPUs vs previous generation of 125-140w CPUs being mainstream. Doesn't that basically cancel out the difference? SSDs use less power. Newer designs chip sets etc use less power. This is factoring in total wattage that will produce heat.

On a card by card basis an after market cooled GTX 1080 Ti factory overclocked model will hit 300 - 320w VEGA air cooled is 300w TDP.... so tell me whats the problem again? 1080 Ti reference still hits 267. Most people that are overclocking boost the TDP limit. So once again its a moot point. an after market 1080 Ti with TDP limit boosted can easily push 350w. So even if and its a big if that VEGA hits 375w as its total design power. It ends up not really being any worse than the GTX 1080 Ti after market cards available already.

Essentially the end all be all should result in a difference between the two of about 25w the real decider will be again performance and price. AMD will be using an AIO on the 375w card so noise isnt likely to be a huge issue. The air cooled card? after market designs from ASUS with the Strix or MSI with their Twin Frozr will mitigate noise.

Take what you wrote and read it again. The reference 1080ti at stock uses 267w, and had a tdp of 250w. The vega air cooled card has a tdp of 300w and uses? The watercooled starts at 375w. That is over 100w MORE than what the 1080ti actually consumes.

You are right to bring up aib cards. Do you think from the history of amd they will consume less power than reference? It wouldn't surprise me with overclocking if that number was closer to 450/500w. That number isn't new either an overclocked 390x already hits that.

Again amd is on another bad path. Heaping power into cards in hopes it can compete.

 

[Relayer]

Great... here comes the wattage police.

I like when people have these fringe arguments. It means they don't really have anything of substance to knock it and are panicking.

 

[cdawall]

I like when people have these fringe arguments. It means they don't really have anything of substance to knock it and are panicking.

Only argument to have right now is a history of over-promises and under-deliveries. So far vega is a no show. If it absolutely phenomenal at professional work than good on it. That market can deal with hot loud cards. I will wait for gaming performance to show up before my final decision is made, but right now all I see is a hot loud card.

 

[Relayer]

Only argument to have right now is a history of over-promises and under-deliveries. So far vega is a no show. If it absolutely phenomenal at professional work than good on it. That market can deal with hot loud cards. I will wait for gaming performance to show up before my final decision is made, but right now all I see is a hot loud card.

And you saw this card where? Did you possibly snap a photo or something to share with the rest of us?

 

[cdawall]

And you saw this card where? Did you possibly snap a photo or something to share with the rest of us?

300w tdp, dual slot blower card. Unless under that hood is filled with magic we are looking at the same old. If you remember the last 300w tdp product amd dropped was called a 290.

 

[Relayer]

300w tdp, dual slot blower card. Unless under that hood is filled with magic we are looking at the same old. If you remember the last 300w tdp product amd dropped was called a 290.

Do you do some kind of content creation that this card is designed for? Because this isn't the consumer gaming card. We'll have to see what kind of cooling they have for those.

 

[cdawall]

Do you do some kind of content creation that this card is designed for? Because this isn't the consumer gaming card. We'll have to see what kind of cooling they have for those.

This is a prosumer card. It is meant to hit both points. You have the ability to run both what was traditionally a fire pro driver (hence why it is beating the Titan Xp which only runs consumer drivers) and the "Crimson" suite. If your argument that the card is "fine" is based off of it being in the hands of only "content creators" remember they do more than play in photoshop all day. Even when drawing in autocad having a machine sound like it is going to take flight is a bit distracting to say the least and trust me some of the renderings I did for NASA took more than a few minutes to render.

 

[Relayer]

This is a prosumer card. It is meant to hit both points. You have the ability to run both what was traditionally a fire pro driver (hence why it is beating the Titan Xp which only runs consumer drivers) and the "Crimson" suite. If your argument that the card is "fine" is based off of it being in the hands of only "content creators" remember they do more than play in photoshop all day. Even when drawing in autocad having a machine sound like it is going to take flight is a bit distracting to say the least and trust me some of the renderings I did for NASA took more than a few minutes to render.

I've only seen one review where they tested sound so far. It was quieter than Titan.