Raja Koduri On a Sabbatical from RTG till December, AMD CEO Takes Over

[Vayra86]

Lol, people on the internet. Your original comment wasn't about volta in the enterprise, it was about consumer volta. Your just grasping at straws /gg

"Nvidia on the other hand can push Volta as a single die solution, and THEN still double its potential through the MCM-solutions they have planned."

Lol, you really have no understanding of this do you? Why in the world would Nvidia continue to make pricey large dies if they could make multiple smaller and cheaper ones? The answer: they can't. AMD is the only CPU manufacturer on the market right now that managed to stitch together multiple higher performance CPUs, something not even Intel can do yet with an R&D budget bigger than the value of the entirety of AMD. Nvidia has even less experience with interconnects then either AMD or Intel and you just suddenly expect them to be able to have the same groundbreaking achievement as AMD did? You are delusional. Nvidia doesn't even have an MCM on their roadmap so your looking at volta and then the next architecture AT LEAST still being single.

This is about as far as Nvidia has gotten

http://research.nvidia.com/publication/2017-06_MCM-GPU:-Multi-Chip-Module-GPUs

of which, Intel has had MCM processors in the past that ultimately failed due to latency between dies. Notice the article's publication date, after Ryzen's launch. This means that Nvidia didn't think MCMs were feasible until after Ryzen. This also means they have zero progress into actually implementing this into their GPUs for real. Ryzen comes out and all of a sudden Nvidia starts talking up MCMs like they are the future. I remember the same thing happening when the original iphone came out and it took others YEARS to catch up.

"Surely you realize that Vega is ALSO still trailing a full GPU tier behind in terms of gaming performance, right? It's more than 30% behind, so in fact it is last year's high performance of the mid tier SKU."

I don't even know what card you are talking about. WIthout even referencing the card or sources you are just talking out of your ass. Vega 56 = 1070 and Vega 64 = 1080. Their performance are on par with each other. I know you can be talking about the 1080 Ti, because it isn't a year old nor is it mid tier. All of this doesn't change the fact that these cards are still the best Nvidia's got right now. If you didn't realize, your own logic can easily be used against you. For example, The R9 390 was the same price as the GTX 970 and yet the 390's GPU was over 2 years old and still had double the RAM.

Nvidia has been marketing the large dies and taken good margins on it. From the Titan, to all of its offspring that came after. The 1080ti is just a continuation of that, I'm not sure why you think Nvidia prefers to stop building gaming GPUs above the Gx104 SKU in the future. Nvidia is not bumping into power constraints on the die either, unlike AMD. Basically that's just you applying AMD's GCN limitations to Nvidia's business strategy. It makes no sense at all, Nvidia has headroom everywhere, up to the point that they even cut down their GP100 and build us a GP102 for gaming.

And that is also why it matters that GV100 is already in existence, I'm not even going to spell this out further for you. If you cannot or do not want to see this, what can I say. Do you really think Nvidia is going to accelerate R&D on MCM so they can toss Volta aside for gaming entirely? How is that efficient? These companies are busy with the next best thing, always, and prefer having a new performance bump in the pipeline. That means you suck everything dry until you move on further. Case in point: the 1070ti release, the 9/11GBps updates, the 650ti Boost, 780 and 780ti (hey look, big dies being released in no less than two competitive, volume products) these things happen all the time.

So, I'm delusional and have no understanding (nice, btw), because Nvidia obviously doesn't want to market Titans. Okay, let's move on.

My original comment was about Volta just like yours, except you fail to see how easy it is for Nvidia to cut down a Volta and push it as a gaming GPU. Meanwhile, AMD has NOTHING to cut down, they just have Vega rumors that they are going to feed off for another couple of years, to then release an underwhelming product. You go boy, keep rooting for that.

"Surely you realize that Vega is ALSO still trailing a full GPU tier behind in terms of gaming performance, right? It's more than 30% behind, so in fact it is last year's high performance of the mid tier SKU."

I don't even know what card you are talking about. WIthout even referencing the card or sources you are just talking out of your ass. Vega 56 = 1070 and Vega 64 = 1080. Their performance are on par with each other. I know you can be talking about the 1080 Ti, because it isn't a year old nor is it mid tier. All of this doesn't change the fact that these cards are still the best Nvidia's got right now. If you didn't realize, your own logic can easily be used against you. For example, The R9 390 was the same price as the GTX 970 and yet the 390's GPU was over 2 years old and still had double the RAM.

First you say you don't know what card, then you confirm the 1070 and the 1080. If you want to act tough, you need to actually make a point. Try it sometime. What you just did here was quote me and then burn me with my own argument, as if that somehow would ever work out well. My own logic indeed. Thanks for repeating it, I guess? And the 1080ti... that one doesn't even need to come out to play, because Vega cannot remotely touch it. So yes, Vega offers last years' high performance bracket, today, at inflated price points.

Then you go ahead and harp on about the 970 versus a rebranded AMD card like it has any relation to the topic, and even though the 970 was a sales record in gaming GPUs and AMD bleeds market share since forever - most notably when they started rebranding to R9 product lines. Meanwhile, AMD had big, expensive dies versus a super lean, heavily cut down failed GM104 - failed even to the point that the cut down was sloppy and Nvidia had to settle a court case for it. And still, it sold more.

Love makes blind, right?