• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

RAM or CPU upgrade

Joined
Jun 1, 2011
Messages
4,898 (0.97/day)
Location
in a van down by the river
Processor faster at instructions than yours
Motherboard more nurturing than yours
Cooling frostier than yours
Memory superior scheduling & haphazardly entry than yours
Video Card(s) better rasterization than yours
Storage more ample than yours
Display(s) increased pixels than yours
Case fancier than yours
Audio Device(s) further audible than yours
Power Supply additional amps x volts than yours
Mouse without as much gnawing as yours
Keyboard less clicky than yours
VR HMD not as odd looking as yours
Software extra mushier than yours
Benchmark Scores up yours
How is the difference between the 5500 and 5600 (which is minor btw in just raw cpu performance) relevant for whether or not he should buy a 5800x3d, which would be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade...

Typical /facepalm reply from you.
allow me to explain to people like yourself who don't know the first thing about tech and constantly embarrass themselves every time they make a post

if you are significantly GPU bottleneck in most games, a CPU upgrade won't make a major difference across the board

now you have been trolling on these boards for some time shoveling your nonsense onto far smarter people than you so perhaps if you ever decided to take some time and educate yourself you would rid us of your drivel but you being you, well one can only hope :kookoo:
 
Joined
Mar 29, 2023
Messages
1,288 (1.73/day)
Processor Ryzen 7800x3d
Motherboard Asus B650e-F Strix
Cooling Corsair H150i Pro
Memory Gskill 32gb 6000 mhz cl30
Video Card(s) RTX 4090 Gaming OC
Storage Samsung 980 pro 2tb, Samsung 860 evo 500gb, Samsung 850 evo 1tb, Samsung 860 evo 4tb
Display(s) Acer XB321HK
Case Coolermaster Cosmos 2
Audio Device(s) Creative SB X-Fi 5.1 Pro + Logitech Z560
Power Supply Corsair AX1200i
Mouse Logitech G700s
Keyboard Logitech G710+
Software Win10 pro
allow me to explain to people like yourself who don't know the first thing about tech and constantly embarrass themselves every time they make a post

if you are significantly GPU bottleneck in most games, a CPU upgrade won't make a major difference across the board

now you have been trolling on these boards for some time shoveling your nonsense onto far smarter people than you so perhaps if you ever decided to take some time and educate yourself you would rid us of your drivel but you being you, well one can only hope :kookoo:

IF he was actually gpu bottlenecked, which he won't be at 1080p - see @3x0 reply...

As for the rest of your post, it doesn't surprise me the least bit that you have a superiority complex...
 
Joined
Nov 13, 2007
Messages
11,086 (1.74/day)
Location
Austin Texas
System Name stress-less
Processor 9800X3D @ 5.42GHZ
Motherboard MSI PRO B650M-A Wifi
Cooling Thermalright Phantom Spirit EVO
Memory 64GB DDR5 6600 1:2 CL36, FCLK 2200
Video Card(s) RTX 4090 FE
Storage 2TB WD SN850, 4TB WD SN850X
Display(s) Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED
Case Jonsbo Z20
Audio Device(s) Yes
Power Supply Corsair SF750
Mouse DeathadderV2 X Hyperspeed
Keyboard 65% HE Keyboard
Software Windows 11
Benchmark Scores They're pretty good, nothing crazy.
I have considered the 5800x3d and would love one but it is almost double the cost of the 5700x, would I get that much more benefit from it over a 5600/5700x considering my GPU isn't exactly high end? for that same price I could get the 5700x/RAM and have change leftover..

So I don't think you will see a HUGE difference from a lightly OC'd 5500 6 core to a 5700x 8 core -- maybe 10-15% in games but not worth the $$
1684338500035.png


Going to a 5800x3d will be a MASSIVE difference allow you to upgrade your GPU without bottlenecking -- going to 32 GB by adding 2 dimms (more ranks, assuming your current sticks are 8GB single rank) will also help -- tuning / ocing the subtimings on your ram will help even more with 4x8 gb as well:

1684338615325.png


So I would say get the cheap 16GB kit now for a bit of a boost, then save money for 5800X3D (and it will continue to drop in price) that will set you up for like a 7900XTX in the future really nicely. In terms of value for $$ that would be my bet. RAM (bc cheap now) -> MONITOR -> GPU -> CPU is my current bias to upgrade components for most builds.
 

Attachments

  • 1684338794418.png
    1684338794418.png
    82.3 KB · Views: 37
Joined
Jun 1, 2011
Messages
4,898 (0.97/day)
Location
in a van down by the river
Processor faster at instructions than yours
Motherboard more nurturing than yours
Cooling frostier than yours
Memory superior scheduling & haphazardly entry than yours
Video Card(s) better rasterization than yours
Storage more ample than yours
Display(s) increased pixels than yours
Case fancier than yours
Audio Device(s) further audible than yours
Power Supply additional amps x volts than yours
Mouse without as much gnawing as yours
Keyboard less clicky than yours
VR HMD not as odd looking as yours
Software extra mushier than yours
Benchmark Scores up yours
IF he was actually gpu bottlenecked, which he won't be at 1080p - see @3x0 reply...

As for the rest of your post, it doesn't surprise me the least bit that you have a superiority complex...
see professional review I posted earlier that proves you wrong (again) and you have been on this forum for six weeks and started more fights than all the regular members combined
 
Joined
Mar 29, 2023
Messages
1,288 (1.73/day)
Processor Ryzen 7800x3d
Motherboard Asus B650e-F Strix
Cooling Corsair H150i Pro
Memory Gskill 32gb 6000 mhz cl30
Video Card(s) RTX 4090 Gaming OC
Storage Samsung 980 pro 2tb, Samsung 860 evo 500gb, Samsung 850 evo 1tb, Samsung 860 evo 4tb
Display(s) Acer XB321HK
Case Coolermaster Cosmos 2
Audio Device(s) Creative SB X-Fi 5.1 Pro + Logitech Z560
Power Supply Corsair AX1200i
Mouse Logitech G700s
Keyboard Logitech G710+
Software Win10 pro
see professional review I posted earlier that proves you wrong (again) and you have been on this forum for six weeks and started more fights than all the regular members combined

That proves what? Neither of the components in question are being tested in what you linked, and as such it is entirely irrelevant, just as yourself.

So I don't think you will see a HUGE difference from a lightly OC'd 5500 6 core to a 5700x 8 core -- maybe 10-15% in games but not worth the $$
View attachment 296330

Going to a 5800x3d will be a MASSIVE difference allow you to upgrade your GPU without bottlenecking -- going to 32 GB by adding 2 dimms (more ranks, assuming your current sticks are 8GB single rank) will also help -- tuning / ocing the subtimings on your ram will help even more with 4x8 gb as well:

View attachment 296331

So I would say get the cheap 16GB kit now for a bit of a boost, then save money for 5800X3D (and it will continue to drop in price) that will set you up for like a 7900XTX in the future really nicely. In terms of value for $$ that would be my bet. RAM (bc cheap now) -> MONITOR -> GPU -> CPU is my current bias to upgrade components for most builds.

Agree, the only cpu upgrade on the am4 platform that would make sense is the 5800x3d.
 
Joined
Jun 1, 2011
Messages
4,898 (0.97/day)
Location
in a van down by the river
Processor faster at instructions than yours
Motherboard more nurturing than yours
Cooling frostier than yours
Memory superior scheduling & haphazardly entry than yours
Video Card(s) better rasterization than yours
Storage more ample than yours
Display(s) increased pixels than yours
Case fancier than yours
Audio Device(s) further audible than yours
Power Supply additional amps x volts than yours
Mouse without as much gnawing as yours
Keyboard less clicky than yours
VR HMD not as odd looking as yours
Software extra mushier than yours
Benchmark Scores up yours
That proves what? Neither of the components in question are being tested in what you linked, and as such it is entirely irrelevant, just as yourself.
well you see the OP CPU is being tested so that's the third time you are wrong in the same thread, do you see the pattern? wrong, wrong, wrong? You are consistent.

also, like everyone else has done with you welcome to be being blocked
 
Joined
Mar 29, 2023
Messages
1,288 (1.73/day)
Processor Ryzen 7800x3d
Motherboard Asus B650e-F Strix
Cooling Corsair H150i Pro
Memory Gskill 32gb 6000 mhz cl30
Video Card(s) RTX 4090 Gaming OC
Storage Samsung 980 pro 2tb, Samsung 860 evo 500gb, Samsung 850 evo 1tb, Samsung 860 evo 4tb
Display(s) Acer XB321HK
Case Coolermaster Cosmos 2
Audio Device(s) Creative SB X-Fi 5.1 Pro + Logitech Z560
Power Supply Corsair AX1200i
Mouse Logitech G700s
Keyboard Logitech G710+
Software Win10 pro
well you see the OP CPU is being tested so that's the third time you are wrong in the same thread, do you see the pattern? wrong, wrong, wrong? You are consistent.

also, like everyone else has done with you welcome to be being blocked

With neither the gpu OP has, nor the 5800x3d which would be the upgrade... yes, very useful link you posted...
 
Joined
Nov 9, 2010
Messages
5,717 (1.09/day)
System Name Space Station
Processor Intel 13700K
Motherboard ASRock Z790 PG Riptide
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420
Memory Corsair Vengeance 6400 2x16GB @ CL34
Video Card(s) PNY RTX 4080
Storage SSDs - Nextorage 4TB, Samsung EVO 970 500GB, Plextor M5Pro 128GB, HDDs - WD Black 6TB, 2x 1TB
Display(s) LG C3 OLED 42"
Case Corsair 7000D Airflow
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V371
Power Supply SeaSonic Vertex 1200w Gold
Mouse Razer Basilisk V3
Keyboard Bloody B840-LK
Software Windows 11 Pro 23H2
I'd personally save money and eventually upgrade to a 5800X3D and 32GB of RAM. That way you've maxed out the platform.

That and/or make a more affordable RAM upgrade if you can manage to find the exact same 2x8 GB kit as you have now. That's what I did on my 8700K, GTX 1080 rig recently. I was fortunate enough to find the same 2x8GB Corsair vengeance LPX 3200 DDR4 kit with exact same timings. It has made a difference in games like The Last of Us Part I that uses a ton of RAM. I would also recommend using a free tool like O&O to turn off telemetry in W10 or 11 (works for both). It can be turned off or back on with one click, and can free up 1GB of RAM.

I also recommend using the free tool InteligentStandbyListCleaner, which can be set to start with Windows (which is the way I use it). What it does is continuously free up RAM when need be, and it works in the background using very little RAM. It's not only a very low resource tool, it keeps your RAM on the ready without any software compatibility conflicts.

If you're only having problems in a few games that use a ton of RAM, it could be the CPU is waiting for the RAM as it fills up then refreshes, hard to say as it depends on what games you play. If you CAN find the same 2x8GB RAM kit and do the disabling telemetry trick though, it would be the cheapest way to find out if you need a better CPU.

In The Last of Us Part I, the extra 16GB of RAM for me mostly just made things run smoother because my CPU usage and temps went from being sky high to reasonable. The strange thing though, is while it allocated 2GB more RAM with the higher RAM capacity, it actually used 2GB less. Our gaming PCs are at the mercy of games that were made for these newest gen consoles now I think.

That said, there's only so much a 5500 CPU can do, this is just the cheapest way to see if it's the sole culprit, which it very well may be. You're going to have a bottleneck in ANY system that has a more powerful GPU, and a relatively weak CPU, regardless how much RAM you have.

using "close to 16GB" and needing 16GB are two different things

maybe but in what games? Is this a gut feeling or are you seeing it visually (not using a FPS counter)?

The real question is your GPU, how long do you plan to use it? It's relatively new so if you plan to keep it for 2-3 years or more I would avoid the 58003DX. Techspot found the difference between the R 5500 & 5600 to be around 7% with the RX6600XT and 14% with the RX6950, so with the RX6700XT we are talking around a 10% difference tops in most games. Not worth the CPU upgrade.

Get a whole new DDR5 platform build when you need a new GPU

The link you posted not even showing a 5800X3D (ACTUAL spelling, unlike yours) being tested makes your claim no more than speculation. I also don't see why you're insisting Dragam1377 is way off base with his suggestions. Have you not noticed most here are in agreement that the 5800X3D is the best upgrade path? All you're achieving with your insults toward him is further proving he's not in fact obtuse as you claim, but one of the sharpest tools in the shed instead.

Maybe learn to read the room and take consensus of what most are saying, instead of copping out with the "block" ("Ignore" is more accurate) option, because it's only serving to make you look like the odd man out here. ;)

As far as your speculating the 5800X3D would only result in a 10% gain over the 5500, here's proof that it is at least 12% faster than even the 5600.


Now while UserBenchhmark may not be a "pro" review site, the users submitting the benches are many not few, and are not paid to submit them, so totally unbiased.

If you factor in 5500 vs 5600 comparison, I think the reality would be closer to at least 20% that the 5800X3D would eclipse the 5500 by.

 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 27, 2008
Messages
1,254 (0.21/day)
If you can't afford the 5800X3D, I don't think you should bother with an upgrade. Yeah, the higher end Zen 3 CPUs are better than the 5500, but I suspect you'll be quite disappointed with the bang for the buck. If you're currently just sitting borderline between acceptable and unacceptable performance, the 5600 would be the cheapest way to get over that hump.


 
Joined
Jul 21, 2008
Messages
5,269 (0.86/day)
System Name [Daily Driver]
Processor [Ryzen 7 5800X3D]
Motherboard [MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK]
Cooling [be quiet! Dark Rock Slim]
Memory [64GB Crucial Pro 3200MHz (32GBx2)]
Video Card(s) [PNY RTX 3070Ti XLR8]
Storage [1TB SN850 NVMe, 4TB 990 Pro NVMe, 2TB 870 EVO SSD, 2TB SA510 SSD]
Display(s) [2x 27" HP X27q at 1440p]
Case [Fractal Meshify-C]
Audio Device(s) [Fanmusic TRUTHEAR IEM, HyperX Duocast]
Power Supply [CORSAIR RMx 1000]
Mouse [Logitech G Pro Wireless]
Keyboard [Logitech G512 Carbon (GX-Brown)]
Software [Windows 11 64-Bit]
Neither, not worth investing in an AM4 system at this point. Save your money.
5800X3D and 32GB of RAM should last 5+ years very comfortably barring any kind of insane progression in chips.
 
Top