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Raptor Lake’s Heat Problem

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System Name "Icy Resurrection"
Processor 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS
Motherboard ASUS ROG Maximus Z790 Apex Encore
Cooling Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM
Memory 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V
Video Card(s) RTX A2000 (soon: Palit GeForce RTX 5090 GameRock)
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Display(s) 55-inch LG G3 OLED
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Power Supply EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold
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Keyboard IBM Model M type 1391405
Software Windows 10 Pro 22H2
Benchmark Scores I pulled a Qiqi~
If it was a 100% problem, intel wouldn't have released these CPU's or the motherboard manufacturers would standard have a contact frame.

Way I saw it, I bought a $800 special edition processor. What's $10 on a frame? ;)
 
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I bought the frame because it was dirt cheap and I wanted to play with the included TF7 paste. lol

I didn't build the computer until months later, and that was a whim based on family circumstance and what sales were available, not planned
 
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Processor Intel i9-12900KS: 50x Pcore multi @ 1.18Vcore (target 1.275V -100mv offset)
Motherboard EVGA Z690 Classified
Cooling Noctua NH-D15S, 2xSF MegaCool SF-PF14, 4xNoctua NF-A12x25, 3xNF-A12x15, AquaComputer Splitty9Active
Memory G-Skill Trident Z5 (32GB) DDR5-6000 C36 F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK
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I thought about it with my 12900KS but my motherboard (Z690 Classified) has a metal plate behind the socket and I am using a NHD15S that has high mounting pressure so its probably unnecessary. Been 2 years with no contact frame and no issues.

Great system, no issues, very stable. Typically sits under 70C in games.
 

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Default Fan Settings : Picture attached.

I'm reading . . .
Chapter 3.6 : page 78, Hardware Health Event Monitoring Screen, [ pdf page 82 ]
Chapter 3.6.1 : page 78, Fan Tuning, [ pdf page 82 ]


Chapter 3.6.2 : page 79, FAN-Tastic Tuning, [ pdf page 83 ]

Chapter 3.6.3 : page 79, CPU Fan 1 Setting, [ pdf page 83 ]Default Mode is Standard. Modes { Customize, Silent Mode, Standard Mode, Performance Mode, Full Speed }Hardware item # 3 : not connected.

Note: Next in UEFI is '' CPU_FAN2 / WP_3A Switch. '' 3 subsections { control mode, settings, temperature source } .''Hardware Item # 4 : Connected to an AIO Pump.

Chapter 3.6.4 : page 79, CPU_FAN2 / W_PUMP Switch, [ pdf page 83 ]5 subsections { control mode, settings, temperature source, step up, step down. }

Chapter 3.6.5 : page 80, MOS Fan1 Setting, [ pdf page 84 ]
Allows you to select a fan mode for Fan, or choose Customize to set 5 CPU temperatures and assign a respective fan speed for each temperature.
Configuration options: [Customize] [Silent Mode] [Standard Mode] [Performance Mode] [Full Speed].
Hardware Monitor page does not show '' MOS Fan1 Setting '' .
( User Manual Search for '' MOS '' finds CMOS, but nothing else. )
I suspect this section is not supposed to appear in this UEFI Manual.


Chapter 3.6.6 : page 80, CHA_FAN1 / W_PUMP Switch, [ pdf page 84 ]5 subsections { control mode, settings, temperature source,step up, step down } | Connected to an ARGB Controller.

Chapter 3.6.7 : page 81, CHA_FAN2 / W_PUMP Switch, [ pdf page 85 ]5 subsections { control mode, settings, temperature source,step up, step down } | Connected to 3 of 3 PWM Fans.

Chapter 3.6.8 : page 82, Chassis Fan 3 Control Mode, [ pdf page 86 ]
Bug. That should be . . .
Chapter 3.6.8 : page 82, CHA_FAN3 / W_PUMP Switch, [ pdf page 86 ]5 subsections { control mode, settings, temperature source,step up, step down } | not connected.

Chapter 3.6.9 : page 83, Chassis Fan 4 Control Mode, [ pdf page 87 ]
Bug. That should be . . .
Chapter 3.6.9 : page 83, CHA_FAN4 / W_PUMP Switch, [ pdf page 87 ]5 subsections { control mode, settings, temperature source,step up, step down } | not connected.

Chapter 3.6.10 : page 84, Chassis Fan 5 Control Mode, [ pdf page 88 ]
Bug. That should be . . .
Chapter 3.6.10 : page 84, CHA_FAN5 / W_PUMP Switch, [ pdf page 88 ]5 subsections { control mode, settings, temperature source,step up, step down } | not connected.

Chapter 3.6.10 : page 84, Chassis Fan 6 Control Mode, [ pdf page 88 ]
Bug. That should be . . .
Chapter 3.6.10 : page 84, CHA_FAN6 / W_PUMP Switch, [ pdf page 88 ]5 subsections { control mode, settings, temperature source,step up, step down } | not connected.
 

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Michael-EGV

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SUMMARY of Cool-Idle BIOS User's Settings . . .

Update BIOS

Load Default Settings [ Optional : If BIOS was not updated. ]

Enable C-States { C3, C6, C7 } [ on Advanced > CPU Configuration screen ]

Dual Tau Boost . . .

Enable ''Load Intel Base Power Limit Setting'' [ On OC Tweaker > CPU Configuration screen ]​
Set ''Long Duration Power Limit'' to ''35'' Watts [ On OC Tweaker > CPU Configuration screen ]​
Set ''Short Duration Power Limit'' to ''35'' Watts [ On OC Tweaker > CPU Configuration screen ]​

CPU Clock Frequency . . .

Change ''CPU P-Core Ratio'' from Auto to All Cores [ on OC Tweaker > CPU Configuration screen ]​
Lower ''All Cores''. For example, from 51 to 40 [ on OC Tweaker > CPU Configuration screen ]​
UnderVolting . . .
Core Voltage Offset : Change from Auto to '' -100 '' [ on OC Tweaker > FIVR Configuration screen ]​
E-Core L2 Voltage Offset : Change from Auto to '' -100 '' [ on OC Tweaker > FIVR Configuration screen ]​
Test Results . . .

Idle CPU Temp = 36.0 C, 96.8 F :: Out of the box with BIOS Version 1.06 ( and no user settings applied ). Pics posted above on Feb 6, 2024.​
Idle CPU Temp = 30.0 C, 86.0 F :: BIOS Version 5.03 and above User Settings . Cool. Test Passed.
22.2 C, 72.0 F :: Ambient Room Temperature.
23.5 C, 74.3 F :: Motherboard Temperature when first Powered On for the day.
Bug : I suspect this is everyone's observation. Perhaps, a hardware bug [ and perhaps there were no directives for Firmware to compensate ].
 

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And then what happens ?

An operating system is installed.​

Ask Microsoft CoPilot . . . https://copilot.microsoft.com
Describe personal computer operating systems power management.

Personal computer power management refers to software-based mechanisms for controlling the power use of computer hardware. This is typically achieved through software that puts the hardware into the lowest power demand state available, making it an aspect of green computing1. Let’s delve into the details:​
  1. Windows Power Management:
    • Windows uses an idle timer to determine when a computer is idle. If the computer remains inactive for a specified time, it may be configured to sleep or hibernate.
    • Applications can temporarily inhibit this timer using the ‘SetThreadExecutionState’ API. Legitimate reasons for inhibition include burning a DVD or playing a video.
    • However, some applications unnecessarily prevent power management from lowering power demand, leading to what’s known as Windows ‘Insomnia’.
    • Causes of ‘Insomnia’ include legacy applications, open file handles on remote computers, faulty mice, and scheduled maintenance tasks.
    • Windows provides predefined power plans and custom sleep and hibernation settings through the Control Panel Power Options applet1.
  2. macOS Power Management:
  3. Linux Power Management:
    • Linux distributions offer a variety of power management settings and tools.
  4. Integrated Approach:

Ask Microsoft CoPilot . . . https://copilot.microsoft.com
Describe IBM's Fedora Workstation Operating System Power Management.
IBM’s Fedora Workstation is part of the Linux on IBM Power platform, which brings the reliability, security, and scalability of Linux to IBM servers. Let’s explore the power management aspects of Fedora Workstation:​
  1. IBM Power Systems Service and Productivity Tools:
    • IBM provides a set of tools for managing Power Systems, including those running Fedora.
    • The ibm-power-repo package sets up IBM Linux on Power repositories for service, productivity, and development tools.
    • For managed systems (systems controlled by an HMC or IVM), you can install the ibm-power-managed package. It enhances reliability, availability, and serviceability (RAS) capabilities, including features like Dynamic Logical Partitioning (DLPAR) and Live Partition Mobility.
    • Non-managed systems (standalone systems without a management console) can benefit from the ibm-power-nonmanaged package.
    • If you’re running KVM guests on Power architecture, consider installing the ibm-power-kvmguest package.
    • Additionally, there’s DynamicRM (DRM), which allows the HMC to initiate dynamic reconfiguration operations and other tasks.
    • The ServiceRM resource manager provides classes for IBM.ServiceFocalPoint and IBM.ServiceEvent.
    • Reliable Scalable Cluster Technology (RSCT) components are also available for cluster management and monitoring1.
  1. Fedora Workstation-Specific Improvements:
In summary, IBM’s Fedora Workstation benefits from both the broader Linux on Power ecosystem and specific optimizations for power management within the Fedora distribution.​
 
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