Raptor Lake Refresh is coming!

[R0H1T]

I've had it going as high as 80 W on a i7-4770K.

Pretty sure that's nigh impossible, you'd have to be running it under liquid Helium OCed close to 6GHz & in a room with temps approaching absolute zero to be able to draw that much power

That's clearly a wrong number reported by whatever application you used at the time.

 

[P4-630]

So...When is it actually coming, any confirmation from intel yet?....

 

[Dr. Dro]

Pretty sure that's nigh impossible, you'd have to be running it under liquid Helium OCed close to 6GHz & in a room with temps approaching absolute zero to be able to draw that much power

That's clearly a wrong number reported by whatever application you used at the time.

Maybe, maybe not. It was GPU-Z definitely, but that was a 600 MHz OC which needed high SA voltage. It was definitely chugging something though as I recall temps were high.

Shame I no longer have the CPU to test again more thoroughly. I recall Fallout 4 still had graphics rendering errors with that iGPU still.

So...When is it actually coming, any confirmation from intel yet?....

No

 

[R0H1T]

Between this & MTL Gelsinger's probably flipping a coin.

So...When is it actually coming, any confirmation from intel yet?....

Can't see a refresh, MTL & Arrow Lake coming in a span of 1.5-2 years unless Arrow Lake's delayed to late 2025

 

[chrcoluk]

Between this & MTL Gelsinger's probably flipping a coin.


Can't see a refresh, MTL & Arrow Lake coming in a span of 1.5-2 years unless Arrow Lake's delayed to late 2025

I can, we seem to be heading for 6 month release schedules.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I can, we seem to be heading for 6 month release schedules.

That cadence is too fast. It usually takes that long for a product generation to deploy worldwide, and twice that long for it to fully release.

 

[JustBenching]

So, you pull 251 Watts at the wall (more than that, but 251 Watts for the processor package). That electrical energy is converted into heat, or thermally dissipated power, or TDP. This is how you get a package TDP of 125 Watts.
Now...that 125 is split by everything on the package. That's the CPU cores, the iGPU, and anything else. Intel provides data...that I linked to...which says just the iGPU has an output of 15 Watts thermally... that is easy to guess on electrical input because 125/251 = about 50%. This means if the iGPU is as efficient as the entire package, 15 Watts TDP = 30 Watts input electrical energy.

Add facepalm picture here

 

[AusWolf]

You are asking for a discussion midway through to restart. Cool.

Let me explain physics 101. A processor takes in electrical energy. It outputs some work, and heat. Good with the 101 now?
TDP is thermally dissipated power.
The electrical energy pulled from the wall is not TDP. It's electrical Watts. Because your processor doesn't just output heat, TDP<electrical draw.
This is how your CPU has an electrical draw, an output of thermal energy in Watts, and an efficiency for conversion from Watts (electrical) to Watts (thermal), and where input energy in electrical Watts is immensely dependent upon package temperature.


So, you pull 251 Watts at the wall (more than that, but 251 Watts for the processor package). That electrical energy is converted into heat, or thermally dissipated power, or TDP. This is how you get a package TDP of 125 Watts.
Now...that 125 is split by everything on the package. That's the CPU cores, the iGPU, and anything else. Intel provides data...that I linked to...which says just the iGPU has an output of 15 Watts thermally... that is easy to guess on electrical input because 125/251 = about 50%. This means if the iGPU is as efficient as the entire package, 15 Watts TDP = 30 Watts input electrical energy.

A 4K 60 Hz TV is hooked up to the iGPU here:

If you still don't understand that your iGPU doesn't need anywhere near 15 W of either electrical, thermal, or magic space power when idle, then I don't know, man...