Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart Benchmark Test & Performance Analysis

[ratirt]

The game running fine on PS5 even if it has AMD hardware does not equal it will run well on AMD PC hardware as the PS5 is a custom unit with dedicated hardware blocks for decompression etc.

And the only people that know why are AMD and the dev's so its wise not to speculate and point fingers. All of Nixxies PS5 ports have all required patching on release no different than any other PC games.

I own some of their Ports of PS5 games.

HZD
Spiderman remastered
GOD of War

None of these were perfect on launch regardless of them running well on PS5.

So it turns out it was developer to release a patch enabling AMD to use RT not the driver itself. Just because it was listed as an issue it did not mean the driver was the problem. Which means, the driver was well optimized for the game and you could see how it performs but the game itself needed patching. So, it was not AMD but developer that needed to make changes.

 

[Keivz]

So it turns out it was developer to release a patch enabling AMD to use RT not the driver itself. Just because it was listed as an issue it did not mean the driver was the problem. Which means, the driver was well optimized for the game and you could see how it performs but the game itself needed patching. So, it was not AMD but developer that needed to make changes.

I’m curious how you came to that conclusion. The way I saw it was:

Developer: There’s a driver issue causing our game to crash on some of your gpu’s. Could you fix it?
Amd: Ah, we see what you mean. We’ll get to work on it and release a fix in our next driver update. Won’t be available by game launch though.
Developer: Cool beans. We’ll just disable the option of enabling RT on your cards until things are sorted out.
Amd: Not the best PR but we understand. Talk again soon.

Amd then includes the issue in their own driver release notes the same day the game launches on pc (July 26th).

Later (8 days ago) AMD releases a new set of drivers that have fixed the issue. Then yesterday (presumably after some internal testing and tweaking) Nixxes updates the game so that amd cards can enable ray tracing. High fives, hand shakes, and hugs everywhere.

Where do you see Nixxes as being the ones definitely at fault?

 

[wolf]

@W1zzard Are you able to add some RDN2 and RNDA3 cards to the RT testing now that the game is patched and driver released?

it dramatically improves frame time consistency (as reflected in the all-important fps lows) on Nvidia hardware:

Very interesting indeed, and looks to go a long way to explaining the relatively meh 1% lows on Nvidia hardware.

 

[ratirt]

I’m curious how you came to that conclusion. The way I saw it was:

Developer: There’s a driver issue causing our game to crash on some of your gpu’s. Could you fix it?
Amd: Ah, we see what you mean. We’ll get to work on it and release a fix in our next driver update. Won’t be available by game launch though.
Developer: Cool beans. We’ll just disable the option of enabling RT on your cards until things are sorted out.
Amd: Not the best PR but we understand. Talk again soon.

Amd then includes the issue in their own driver release notes the same day the game launches on pc (July 26th).

Later (8 days ago) AMD releases a new set of drivers that have fixed the issue. Then yesterday (presumably after some internal testing and tweaking) Nixxes updates the game so that amd cards can enable ray tracing. High fives, hand shakes, and hugs everywhere.

Where do you see Nixxes as being the ones definitely at fault?

Because it was said they did not include AMD RT support in the game. They had to patch the game.
AMD has to state that something is not working with a game despite if it is the driver issue or not. The consumer has to know that this game has a problem with AMDs cards and what the problem is. Driver update would have not fixed it. The developer had to fix it by patching the game specifically for AMD RT.
So why it was mentioned in the list? It does not matter if the problem is a driver or not. Why? Because the product they are releasing is for playing games and if you can't play the game in some way the consumer must know that.
how do I know, it was not a driver issue? Because if it was a driver issue the developer would not have been included in the fixing and patching the game specifically to fix AMD RT.

The RT support for me is not that important. What is important is bashing on someone with no facts straight but rather what one would want it to look like.

 

[ViperXTR]

New hotfix driver that is supposed to fix nvidia RTX IO/Directstorage

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[wolf]

how do I know, it was not a driver issue? Because if it was a driver issue the developer would not have been included in the fixing and patching the game specifically to fix AMD RT.

I don't think some people actually know, what they claim to know.

The most logical and likely situation is that early access was provided to vendors to get them testing it to make sure the game ran acceptably, optimise if possible etc. AMD came back to them and said, in certain situations (RT + Dynamic res + 7900(?) series cards), the game crashes, and we believe this can be solved with drivers. Nixxes goes cool, well to make sure that many thousands of people don't start playing day 1, experience those crashes and complain (that's way worse for us all), we'll make it so if the game detects AMD RT capable hardware, we'll make RT greyed out, they'll still be able to play the game then without crashes.

AMD themselves meanwhile still have access to the full/earlier game to test their driver efforts against, then when AMD says they fixed the crashes, they release the driver and tell Nixxes, who roll back the RT greyed out portion of their code in a subsequent patch.

We've seen nothing to indicate this is an actual game code problem, all of the issues seem to be specific to AMD RT capable cards, and 7900 series at that iirc. And nothing in what Nixxes themselves have said indicates the problem was theirs to solve, just to aide vendor with by making sure significant portions of them wouldn't experience a known error that was easy enough to work around.

If it was just a game coding problem, and nixxes had to put in significant work beyond greying out and subsequently making available certain options based on hardware detection, then why did it need a driver, that specifically says it resolves the crashes.

I won't sit here and say I know this to be the case, but it certainly seems more likely than an actual game code issue, or lol, an nvidia sponsorship issue.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I don't think some people actually know, what they claim to know.

The most logical and likely situation is that early access was provided to vendors to get them testing it to make sure the game ran acceptably, optimise if possible etc. AMD came back to them and said, in certain situations (RT + Dynamic res + 7900(?) series cards), the game crashes, and we believe this can be solved with drivers. Nixxes goes cool, well to make sure that many thousands of people don't start playing day 1, experience those crashes and complain (that's way worse for us all), we'll make it so if the game detects AMD RT capable hardware, we'll make RT greyed out, they'll still be able to play the game then without crashes.

AMD themselves meanwhile still have access to the full/earlier game to test their driver efforts against, then when AMD says they fixed the crashes, they release the driver and tell Nixxes, who roll back the RT greyed out portion of their code in a subsequent patch.

We've seen nothing to indicate this is an actual game code problem, all of the issues seem to be specific to AMD RT capable cards, and 7900 series at that iirc. And nothing in what Nixxes themselves have said indicates the problem was theirs to solve, just to aide vendor with by making sure significant portions of them wouldn't experience a known error that was easy enough to work around.

If it was just a game coding problem, and nixxes had to put in significant work beyond greying out and subsequently making available certain options based on hardware detection, then why did it need a driver, that specifically says it resolves the crashes.

I won't sit here and say I know this to be the case, but it certainly seems more likely than an actual game code issue, or lol, an nvidia sponsorship issue.

All an opinion with no actual knowledge so worth as little as the opinions your downplaying.

 

[wolf]

All an opinion with no actual knowledge so worth as little as the opinions your downplaying.

Not really, a position based on more facts, evidence and logic holds a better position, you do you though, I'll keep doing me.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Not really, a position based on more facts, evidence and logic holds a better position, you do you though, I'll keep doing me.

No facts , no evidence just opinion yet you can't even accept that truth.

Bold your facts and evidence in that post, I dare you, I just re read your Opinion and it's based on nothing, but you stroke your ego some more if you like.

 

[wolf]

I just re read your Opinion and it's based on nothing

If that's your position, I can't help you with that, especially since the last time this happened you ignored the facts I presented anyway. Not worth my time.