TL;DR
What do all those cryptic numbers even mean? Really. What are you trying to say?
Well, maybe you should read it! It's cool if you don't understand it. The numbers aren't cryptic at all.
It'll make sense once reviews come out. Come back and read what I said after they do.
You want the TLDR? nVIDIA's real clock will probably be ~3165mhz. Why? Bc reasons. It makes sense on multiple levels. Navi4 was almost certainly aimed for 3.46ghz. Can it accomplish it? Dunno.
Doesn't matter with ~20gbps ram, which makes the design pretty useless, and at stock is essentially a relabeled overclocked 7800xt in a lot of ways.
This is why they can't sell it for more than 7800xt (launch price) imo.
For instance, 5070ti. 8960*3165/8192= 3462mhz. But there are a million other reasons.
This is how nVIDIA operates and how they troll. They have done this for generations. It's called good opposition research.
AMD is bw limited at 3264/24000 (fastest GDDR6). 24gbps ram, if they use it, will likely overclock to 25.6gbps (at least), which would be good for ~3.48ghz. Can the design do it (with good yields)? Dunno.
Will they even make a sku with 24gbps ram? Dunno.
Real TLDR? AMD needs 24gbps ram and >3.4ghz clock potential, which die size hints is possible (bigger size than expected bc decap/decoupling transistors).
I feel 9070xt will be binned and/or locked at/below 3.4ghz to make this sku possible later, plus when not all shaders are used 9070xt could make use of higher clock up to ~3400mhz.
That sku, if it exists, will be the real 5070ti alternative.
9070 suffers bc of 9070xt sku, and could be clock/power locked even lower (conceivably), though not necessarily.
There should be one sku with 7168sp and xt clock. 9070xt/8192sp should have 24gbps ram and higher clock.
Lineup is weird and kind of a mess; poorly thought out and/or the design didn't meet it's goal and/or they made poor choices to be price competative. Potentially 3 skus where there should only be 2.
7800xt was limited in clock potential by power limit so 9070xt would look better with the same speed ram. This is now obvious. It was before, but now it's SUPER obvious. That said, oc did add 19% already.
(TLDR: N32 was a really good chip cripled to make this chip look good).
Real TLDR? That stuff makes me angry, bc it's bullshit marketing and I don't like the potential of hardware being limited so they can sell it again under a different name.
That's what made AMD/ATi different is they DIDNT do that, and with this it solidifies that mindset as all but dead, and that makes me sad.
Yeah, I get it...Some people don't overclock or think about how designs work, and that's fair. All this to say AMD is artificially limiting clockspeeds across their lineup (cpu and gpu) now and it sucks.
And seriously, that's the point of the hobby imo, and the point of talking about it in forums. If you don't understand...I get it...but please understand it's to show the value they're taking away from consumers.
Call me old-fashioned back to when people that read this forum were all nerds that frequented B3D...not casuals. No disrespect to those people ofc; PC gaming is for everyone...but my posts are for them.
