Review Consensus: AMD FX Processor 8150 Underwhelming

_JP_ · Oct 12, 2011

YautjaLord is fine reading the reviews and he is noticing that many of the reviews are either using ES chips, or B1/B2 chips. I still stand by my opinion, for now, but I'm going to wait for reviews using retail chips, to make up my mind about this.

TheMailMan78 · Oct 12, 2011

_JP_ said:
YautjaLord is fine reading the reviews and he is noticing that many of the reviews are either using ES chips, or B1/B2 chips. I still stand by my opinion, for now, but I'm going to wait for reviews using retail chips, to make my mind about this.

What? Whos using ES chips for review?

_JP_ · Oct 12, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
What? Whos using ES chips for review?

Is your avatar related in any way with the emotion you had when you wrote that?
Just wondering...
...for my safety...
Anyway, it's here, just scrool down a little until you see his post.

TRWOV · Oct 12, 2011

Currently AMD needs to:
- Get the 6100 and 4100 out and review the heck of them. I think they will do fine against the SB Pentiums and i3s plus they can be overclocked.
- Lower prices on the 8100s, specially the 8150.
- Work with MS on the kernel patch to get it out as soon as possible.

Not everything is lost but AMD has to react quickly and get the word out.

repman244 · Oct 12, 2011

TRWOV said:
Currently AMD needs to:
- Get the 6100 and 4100 out and review the heck of them. I think they will do fine against the SB Pentiums and i3s plus they can be overclocked.
- Lower prices on the 8100s, specially the 8150.
- Work with MS on the kernel patch to get it out as soon as possible.

Not everything is lost but AMD has to react quickly and get the word out.

It's probably better if they don't review the 4100 models:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...amd-bulldozer-fx-8150-processor-review-3.html

I also don't believe any software "patch" could fix this, if it could It would already be used for reviews. Only way to get better performance is to wait for the process to mature and start squeezing out the clock speed.
And Piledriver could end up being delayed as well.

xenocide · Oct 12, 2011

_JP_ said:
Anyway, it's here, just scrool down a little until you see his post.

And if you checked the reviews you'd see that some of the reviews allegedly using ES are similar results as those that aren't. AMD probably sent out a special batch to reviewers that shows up similar as ES' in CPU-Z.

_JP_ · Oct 12, 2011

Or both processors (ES and non-ES) preform about the same.

xenocide · Oct 12, 2011

_JP_ said:
Or both processors (ES and non-ES) preform about the same.

Also a strong possibility.

LordJummy · Oct 12, 2011

I am so disappointed, but I can't say I truly expected them to be much better than this. I did expect a bit more out of them, though.

However, I am remembering a particular guy on another forum who told me how BD was going to crush Intel's performance with SB.

HalfAHertz · Oct 12, 2011

repman244 said:
It's probably better if they don't review the 4100 models:

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/image/mac/reviews/AMD/Bulldozer/AMD_FX-8150-18.jpg
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...amd-bulldozer-fx-8150-processor-review-3.html

I also don't believe any software "patch" could fix this, if it could It would already be used for reviews. Only way to get better performance is to wait for the process to mature and start squeezing out the clock speed.
And Piledriver could end up being delayed as well.

Seems like 4100s should be able to compete with the dual and triple core AthlonII's quite nice. The only problem is that the 4100 has about 3 - 4 times more silicon, uses twice the power and costs twice as much :banghead:

Even the first Phenom was faster than the A64's

dirtyferret · Oct 12, 2011

TRWOV said:
Currently AMD needs to:
- Get the 6100 and 4100 out and review the heck of them. I think they will do fine against the SB Pentiums and i3s plus they can be overclocked.
- Lower prices on the 8100s, specially the 8150.
- Work with MS on the kernel patch to get it out as soon as possible.

Not everything is lost but AMD has to react quickly and get the word out.

techspot's review has the 4170 and it get's beat the 500mhz slower phenom II x4 980

http://www.techspot.com/review/452-amd-bulldozer-fx-cpus/page10.html

xenocide · Oct 12, 2011

HalfAHertz said:
Seems like 4100s should be able to compete with the dual and triple core AthlonII's quite nice. The only problem is that the 4100 has about 3 - 4 times more silicon, uses twice the power and costs twice as much

Yeaaaaaa... about that...

v12dock · Oct 12, 2011

Clock speed up and power consumption down is a must with this chip

naram-sin · Oct 12, 2011

Dammit, AMD...

Unless you've got a big fat furry, super fast, gonna-kill-the-turtle-now rabbit in your ginormous hat, I'll be forced to skip this bull-crap of yours during next couple of years....

HalfAHertz · Oct 12, 2011

The only good news today for AMD is that they'll be in the next fastest super computer. The catch is that it won't be the fastest thanks to the 6200 opertons but the Nvidia Tesla GPUs that'll be accompanying them.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...400-processor-20-petaflop-successor-to-jaguar

Consider what AMD is and what AMD isn't and where computing is headed and this chip is really beginning to make sense. While these benches seem frustrating to those of us on a desktop today I think a slightly deeper dive shows that there is a whole world of hope here...with these chips, not something later.

I dug into the deal with Cray and Oak Ridge, and Cray is selling ORNL massively powerful computers (think petaflops) using Bulldozer CPUs controlling Nvidia Tesla GPUs which perform the bulk of the processing. The GPUs do vastly more and faster FPU calculations and the CPU is vastly better at dishing out the grunt work and processing the results for use by humans or software or other hardware. This is the future of High Performance Computing, today, but on a government scale. OK, so what? I'm a client user.

Here's what: AMD is actually best at making GPUs...no question. They have been in the GPGPU space as long as Nvidia...except the AMD engineers can collaborate on both CPU and GPU projects simultaneously without a bunch of awkward NDAs and antitrust BS getting in the way. That means that while they obviously can turn humble server chips into supercomputers by harnessing the many cores on a graphics card, how much more than we've seen is possible on our lowly desktops when this rebranded server chip enslaves the Ferraris on the PCI bus next door...the GPUs.

I get it...it makes perfect sense now. Don't waste real estate on FPU dies when the one's next door are hundreds or thousands of times better and faster too. This is not the beginning of the end of AMD, but the end of the beginning (to shamlessely quote Churchill). Now all that cryptic talk about a supercomputer in your tablet makes sense...think Llano with a so-so CPU and a big GPU on the same die with some code tweaks to schedule the GPU as a massive FPU and the picture starts taking shape.

Now imagine a full blown server chip (BD) harnessing full blown GPUs...Radeon 6XXX or 7XXX and we are talking about performance improvements in the orders of magnitude, not percentage points. Is AMD crazy? I'm thinking crazy like a fox.

johnnyfiive · Oct 12, 2011

dirtyferret said:
interesting review by bit-tech

AMD FX-8150 – why so bad?
Apart from the idle power draw of the FX-8150 – which we’ll point once again is an excellent achievement by AMD considering that the FX-8150 is a high-performance desktop part and its rival Core i5-2500K and Core i7-2600K are both essentially power-efficient laptop processors that have been beefed up a little for desktop PCs – the results show AMD’s latest CPU to be awful at everyday, consumer applications.

It’s a lack of single-threaded performance that holds the FX-8150 back – its efforts in our single-threaded image editing test were dire compared to every other processor on test. Even worse, this supposedly 8-core CPU running at 3.6GHz was hardly much faster than a six-core Phenom II X6 1100T running at 3.3GHz in heavily multi-threaded applications that saturate all available execution cores. In Cinebench R11.5 and WPrime – applications where a 8-core CPU should dominate a 6-core (let alone a quad-core) – we saw a lack of performance.

The answer, we think, comes from Bulldozer’s history. We started this review with a brief history lesson for a reason: we really believe that Bulldozer was intended for servers and workstations, not desktop PC running consumer applications. The lack of grunt-per-core doesn’t matter too much in a server or workstation, as most professional applications are n-threaded and balance that load evenly to saturate every core available. Furthermore, it’s widely assumed that there will be an Opteron based on the Bulldozer design that incorporates eight modules, for 16 execution cores. Bulldozer, we believe, is built for massive parallelism.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/13

so AMD decided to cut cost and develop a server CPU and pass it off as a PC CPU...:shadedshu

I believe this to be 100% true. This was my claim/belief all along. It makes sense, no doubt.

CDdude55 · Oct 12, 2011

Meanwhile at Intel:

D4S4 · Oct 12, 2011

all of this looks like an epic fail on amd's behalf but the truly multithreaded performance seems up to par - from my point of view, amd went ahead of its time with this architecture, it's focused on multithreading performance and hence sucks @ anything running <= threads than modules. if this doesn't kill amd (very doubtful), they could be delivering some royal ass kicking in the future (when some 16 - 32 cores are considered mainstream).

nevertheless, all of this kinda sucks for everyone not using heavily multithreaded software.

ps i didn't read any of the posts since i saw there were some 200 so if somebody stated this before me, this post is kinda redundant.

edit - well, not quite up to par, i didn't read the review carefully... anyhow, for a such radical architecture change it could have gone worse. that part that johnnyfive underlined there is what i was trying to say, amd just went a bit ahead of themselves with bulldozer. :ohwell:

techtard · Oct 12, 2011

It isn't really Epic level fail. More like crushed under a mountain of hype. You can blame the fanbois for that.
I and other users have pointed out that desktop software is still too old school. We're being held back by Microsoft, and other vendors still using legacy code and not optimizing for multithreading.

I doubt a software patch will help much. Sounds like Microsoft would have to do some heavy duty hacking to get the scheduler sorted.

What with Windows 8 being on the horizon, they might just say to hell with FX performance on Windows 7.

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For $279 FUCK YOU AMD

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CDdude55 · Oct 12, 2011

jmcslob said:
For $279 FUCK YOU AMD

My AMD Fanboism is dead.

Launch prices are always much more then the actual price just wait a bit and they will go down.

And good to hear your fanboyism is dead.

GAR · Oct 12, 2011

alexsubri said:
It amazes me how many Intel Fanboy's are glamoring themselves over AMD's performance. A good example is when nVidia's 4xx line up came along and ATI 6xxx series were pounding them. Heck, even some 5xxx were pounding them. Yet, the tide changed when the 5xx series came out!

I personally think that the next line up from AMD (Piledriver) will refute my statement. However time will tell. As for me, I am disappointed with FX-8150. Where is the damn press release from AMD?!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ox0Uwwd1f...Byc/aUTX1xqsTBc/s1600/Tissue-Box-Cry-Baby.jpg

LOL, wtf? the gtx 480 came out in March 2010, the 5870 came out in september of 2009, the gtx 480 was faster than the 5870, the gtx 570 came out about the same time, and again, the gtx 500 series is faster than the 6900, not by much, but it is.

mtosev · Oct 12, 2011

CDdude55 said:
Meanwhile at Intel:

http://i.imgur.com/vNsgy.jpg

I do believe that ppl at Intel are laughting off their asses at AMD and its super duper cpu.

mtosev · Oct 12, 2011

jmcslob said:
For $279 FUCK YOU AMD

My AMD Fanboism is dead.

Here you go http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354587 problem fixed :toast:

ShiBDiB · Oct 12, 2011

techtard said:
It isn't really Epic level fail. More like crushed under a mountain of hype. You can blame the fanbois for that.
I and other users have pointed out that desktop software is still too old school. We're being held back by Microsoft, and other vendors still using legacy code and not optimizing for multithreading.

I doubt a software patch will help much. Sounds like Microsoft would have to do some heavy duty hacking to get the scheduler sorted.

What with Windows 8 being on the horizon, they might just say to hell with FX performance on Windows 7.

jmcslob said:
For $279 FUCK YOU AMD

My AMD Fanboism is dead.

If only techtard's will die....

How does it performing badly when compared to older chips on the same software make it the softwares fault.. AMD went all in with a 7-2 off suit and their paying for it with awful performance.

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