RTX 3070 low FPS & Utilization

[QuietBob]

Your GPU seems to behave properly, as evidenced by the boost clocks and 100% utilization in Furmark. Your CPU, however, simply lacks the ST power to push higher frame rates in the titles you play. This is compounded by running very low spec memory in single channel.

Your system should take 2x 3200 MT/s 16-18-18 sticks without a problem. These are not expensive and will give you a nice boost. Games love low latency memory, and this RAM will reduce it by a third.

As has been pointed out, you're nearly maxing out your RAM while gaming, which will also bring your fps down. Either close/disable all background apps before starting a game, or go for 2 x 16 GB. And again, a Zen 3 CPU will let that RTX3070 achieve higher frame rates.

If an OS reinstall does not bring any improvement, you should either upgrade your CPU and RAM, or enable Vsync/limit your fps to 60 and temper your expectations.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

You noted that you have tried single vs dual channel RAM.

You are using a single 16GB stick. There is not possible way to put a single stick of RAM in dual-channel mode.

Try stealing your wife's RAM and going dual-channel. Also, a mild OC to around 3200 or thereabouts with decent timings would help.

You noted that your wife's PC is identical - show us a pic of the RAM setups in both. Personally, I think the issue lies here.

 

[Pokkel1982]

You noted that you have tried single vs dual channel RAM.

You are using a single 16GB stick. There is not possible way to put a single stick of RAM in dual-channel mode.

Try stealing your wife's RAM and going dual-channel. Also, a mild OC to around 3200 or thereabouts with decent timings would help.

You noted that your wife's PC is identical - show us a pic of the RAM setups in both. Personally, I think the issue lies here.

I did use hers as to get a dual channel configuration... But I did not try to OC it...

Your GPU seems to behave properly, as evidenced by the boost clocks and 100% utilization in Furmark. Your CPU, however, simply lacks the ST power to push higher frame rates in the titles you play. This is compounded by running very low spec memory in single channel.

Your system should take 2x 3200 MT/s 16-18-18 sticks without a problem. These are not expensive and will give you a nice boost. Games love low latency memory, and this RAM will reduce it by a third.

As has been pointed out, you're nearly maxing out your RAM while gaming, which will also bring your fps down. Either close/disable all background apps before starting a game, or go for 2 x 16 GB. And again, a Zen 3 CPU will let that RTX3070 achieve higher frame rates.

If an OS reinstall does not bring any improvement, you should either upgrade your CPU and RAM, or enable Vsync/limit your fps to 60 and temper your expectations.

I'm actually looking at some 2x16GB 3200 Corsair Vengeance Pro sticks or some RIPJAWS... Just need to get the cash...

https://www.wootware.co.za/corsair-cmh32gx4m2e3200c16-vengeance-rgb-pro-sl-32gb-2x16gb-ddr4-3200mhz-cl16-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html

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[Count von Schwalbe]

You may find this to be cheaper and equivalent.

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[Pokkel1982]

You may find this to be cheaper and equivalent.

https://www.wootware.co.za/g-skill-f4-3200c16d-16gvkb-ripjaws-v-series-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-3200mhz-cl16-1-35v-black-desktop-memory.html

Thanks, but if I upgrade, I would just go to 32GB...

Maybe I'll check the classifieds as well...

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Does anyone with a 2700X know if it would have issues going to 3200 on quad-rank memory?

 

[QuietBob]

I'm actually looking at some 2x16GB 3200 Corsair Vengeance Pro sticks or some RIPJAWS

I'd stay away from Corsair, some kits had compatibility problems with Zen 1. G.SKILL would be a safer bet.

Does anyone with a 2700X know if it would have issues going to 3200 on quad-rank memory?

According to QVL it should be fine.

 

[Pokkel1982]

I just saw know that my RAM doesn't support xmp...

Will that make a difference?

It's this one. Only the 2666mhz

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[Count von Schwalbe]

According to QVL it should be fine.

MB QVL? I was referring to the supposedly weak IMC on Zen (+)

 

[Waldorf]

@QuietBob
and yet, the gskill ryzen kit i got (qvl) would not work on any 570 board out of the box,
had to use a corsair kit with same clocks/timings to increase V to 1.35, before it would post going past jedec.

qvl means it was tested by the board manufacturer, nothing else.

 

[Pokkel1982]

On a cheapo A320 board? Good luck!

The mobo doesn't seem to matter that much... The 320 actually performed better...

 

[Chomiq]

The mobo doesn't seem to matter that much... The 320 actually performed better...

Then good luck running it on that anemic VRM for longer than a single benchmark run.

 

[pavle]

@Pokkel1982 : no clean install is needed; look at how low your PSU voltage dips when the graphics card is working fully -> in your GPU screenshots 11.6/11.7 volts and the reason for throttling is that old "Reliable voltage" tag, Vrel.
First thing to do, in my opinion, is to test your computer with a quality power supply; I don't know what you have now, but it's clearly not enough. Try one with LLC resonant topology, so it can quickly react to changing loads of today's graphics cards.

 

[Mussels]

You really need to fill out your complete system specs, that helps speed these sorts of things up, fast.

Vrel does NOT mean it's a PSU issue.
Vrel means the GPU has maxed out it's voltage, and it's thermal throttling or power throttling.
Is a reading of 11.6v concerning? Yes, but software readings on cheaper hardware can also be very, very inaccurate.

A 2700x is definitely CPU limited in certain game titles - it's more or less on par with the 3300x in techpowerups reviews, but was dropped from recent reviews due to age

It's *very* different depending on the game, as an example far cry 5 in the 3300x TPU review you can get 40% faster results with the same GPU, which is not small by any means

And other titles where it's more like 5%

The big thing however? This all assumes you have a properly setup CPU, with the correct RAM (Dual channel, preferably four ranks) with boost enabled and working (Not PBO, just regular boost - a lot of boards disable this if you mess with any voltage settings at all) and have no thermal throttling on the CPU or VRMs.
The 2700x is not light on the power consumption
Multi threaded titles, especially if PBO is enabled can absolutely throttle your VRMs and make your performance go to crap

Run HWinfo64 in sensors only mode, start a game up, play for 30 minutes and quit the game.
Take a full-screen screenshot of everything in HWinfo - use the arrows in the bottom left to fit more columns in

We need minimum, maximum and average values for *everything* the software can tell us, to find out whats going on so please follow those instructions carefully and make sure it's recording the data from just before starting the game until you're done with it, we need to see min/max/average for them all and we wont know what matters until we've gotten clues from it

Does anyone with a 2700X know if it would have issues going to 3200 on quad-rank memory?

It's perfectly doable, you just need to raise the SoC voltage at the same time you enable XMP. 1.10v to 1.15v usually covers it fine.
Above 3200 with four ranks can be tricky, some board/CPU combos are fine, others are not. My B450-I wouldn't do 3400 with any CPU or RAM, when the same CPU and ram does 3800 on my x570-F at the same voltages

 

[next3r]

<<
i think no
Vrel is reliable voltage ,.,.you mean probarly OP_MAX or similar signal.
but the easiest is to do system LOG and also try full load

and here determine all suggest in this topic !
cpu performance limit or any hwproblem or any others setup problem

nothing can be solved without "OP" trying something

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

It's perfectly doable, you just need to raise the SoC voltage at the same time you enable XMP. 1.10v to 1.15v usually covers it fine.

Now that I think about it, the A320 chipset doesn't support OC. Would this even work?

Heck, does it even support XMP?

 

[Mussels]

Now that I think about it, the A320 chipset doesn't support OC. Would this even work?

Heck, does it even support XMP?

AMD dont limit things like intel - A320 has XMP support and will have PBO options.

The key is that you can set options beyond what the board can handle, you can set a 250W PPT, but it'll never reach it - and you could set the ram to run at 4000, which it also will never do.
It simply lets you try - and PBO is best used to reduce settings, which of course will work well.

300 series didn't launch with PBO settings, but they got added in with the AGESA updates and can be found under whatever name they called it on that board - XFR enhancements, AMD overclocking, etc etc.

 

[Sublime]

It happens to me too. I have a Gigabyte AORUS GeForce RTX 3070 MASTER and an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X but in some games like Apex Legends I don't exceed the FPS that I should... Other games like Marvel's Spider-Man I can't play it, it runs at 20 or 30 fps but then I play Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition 4K Extreme settings, ultra ray tracing at 60/50 Fps.

I have reinstalled Windows and at least the lag spikes have been reduced.

 

[Mussels]

It happens to me too. I have a Gigabyte AORUS GeForce RTX 3070 MASTER and an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X but in some games like Apex Legends I don't exceed the FPS that I should... Other games like Marvel's Spider-Man I can't play it, it runs at 20 or 30 fps but then I play Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition 4K Extreme settings, ultra ray tracing at 60/50 Fps.

I have reinstalled Windows and at least the lag spikes have been reduced.

Depending on game settings and background software and even simple things like how some games force Vsync while others dont - no one can help you without a lot more information


If your system works fine on most titles but not one specifically then you have a problem with that game, and it's settings - not the PC.

 

[Pricoky]

Hi guys! I'm having the same problem with an RTX3070. I just upgraded from an RTX2060. Since I upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 11 the "fun" started. Video performance dropped drastically. Even just moving windows around on the desktop feels like a serious lag. What can I say about games where it is practically unusable. Tried all kinds of tweaks found on the internet, deleted drivers with DDU, reinstalled drivers with and without Geforce Experience Beta, some registry tweaks, ran a System File Checker, etc. Nothing seems to pay off. I finally came up with the idea of using another blank NVME SSD and installed a fresh Windows 10 and..surprise, now it's like a different OS. Everything is superlative, the system "moves" absolutely fabulous. Obviously I also kept the previous Windows 11 (the one originally upgraded from Win 10) because I have a lot of apps and different settings that it would be difficult for me to put together again. I mention that my system consists of Ryzen 7 2700x, 16GB RAM at 3600Mhz, 750W power supply, RTX3070, Dell 27”, 2K, 155Hz gaming monitor and the operating system is installed on a Samsung NVME PciE x 4 SSD. As an example I have attached the results of one of the tests I have done on both operating systems. Basically I can't figure out where the problem is coming from, where should I look? I'd like to avoid a fresh reinstall although I probably won't have any choice.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Hi guys! I'm having the same problem with an RTX3070. I just upgraded from an RTX2060. Since I upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 11 the "fun" started. Video performance dropped drastically. Even just moving windows around on the desktop feels like a serious lag. What can I say about games where it is practically unusable. Tried all kinds of tweaks found on the internet, deleted drivers with DDU, reinstalled drivers with and without Geforce Experience Beta, some registry tweaks, ran a System File Checker, etc. Nothing seems to pay off. I finally came up with the idea of using another blank NVME SSD and installed a fresh Windows 10 and..surprise, now it's like a different OS. Everything is superlative, the system "moves" absolutely fabulous. Obviously I also kept the previous Windows 11 (the one originally upgraded from Win 10) because I have a lot of apps and different settings that it would be difficult for me to put together again. I mention that my system consists of Ryzen 7 2700x, 16GB RAM at 3600Mhz, 750W power supply, RTX3070, Dell 27”, 2K, 155Hz gaming monitor and the operating system is installed on a Samsung NVME PciE x 4 SSD. As an example I have attached the results of one of the tests I have done on both operating systems. Basically I can't figure out where the problem is coming from, where should I look? I'd like to avoid a fresh reinstall although I probably won't have any choice.

Try a fresh install of W11 on that spare SSD to see if it is the OS or something "custom" (background app, setting, etc.) in the OS you upgraded.

 

[Pricoky]

I thought about that too. But before I did a fresh install I thought I'd still try to let the system upgrade to Windows 11 again. I had to reformat the SSD anyway. After the upgrade I want to say that the system moves flawlessly with the fresh upgrade to Windows 11. So I can only draw one conclusion. As @Count von Schwalbe says an application or setting creates these problems. Now I wonder if there is any way to identify what is causing the problem. I have been monitoring the task manager to see if there is any process or application that is consuming resources but I don't see anything wrong. All appear to be within normal parameters. Nothing different from the OS I originally upgraded to. The one on which the video card got that very low score . I'm thinking of doing a reset of the operating system with keeping the applications, but I'm still afraid of unpleasant surprises. Well... in the end, I guess I'll have no other options and have to reinstall everything from scratch.

 

[Mussels]

Hi guys! I'm having the same problem with an RTX3070. I just upgraded from an RTX2060. Since I upgraded from Windows 10 to Windows 11 the "fun" started. Video performance dropped drastically. Even just moving windows around on the desktop feels like a serious lag. What can I say about games where it is practically unusable. Tried all kinds of tweaks found on the internet, deleted drivers with DDU, reinstalled drivers with and without Geforce Experience Beta, some registry tweaks, ran a System File Checker, etc. Nothing seems to pay off. I finally came up with the idea of using another blank NVME SSD and installed a fresh Windows 10 and..surprise, now it's like a different OS. Everything is superlative, the system "moves" absolutely fabulous. Obviously I also kept the previous Windows 11 (the one originally upgraded from Win 10) because I have a lot of apps and different settings that it would be difficult for me to put together again. I mention that my system consists of Ryzen 7 2700x, 16GB RAM at 3600Mhz, 750W power supply, RTX3070, Dell 27”, 2K, 155Hz gaming monitor and the operating system is installed on a Samsung NVME PciE x 4 SSD. As an example I have attached the results of one of the tests I have done on both operating systems. Basically I can't figure out where the problem is coming from, where should I look? I'd like to avoid a fresh reinstall although I probably won't have any choice.

Sounds like you have the fTPM bug - you running on a BIOS without AGESA 1.2.0.7?

Windows 11 was known to have performance issues on some setups if you dont reinstall after changing CPU's, i've found that an in-place upgrade from the setup.exe on the USB installer was enough

 

[Pricoky]

Sounds like you have the fTPM bug - you running on a BIOS without AGESA 1.2.0.7?

Windows 11 was known to have performance issues on some setups if you dont reinstall after changing CPU's, i've found that an in-place upgrade from the setup.exe on the USB installer was enough

Oh.. I forgot to mention that my motherboard is an Asus Prime X470 PRO. I run the latest BIOS which indeed is AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.7. I haven”t upgraded my cpu, only my GPU ! But what is it with that thing about upgrading from the setup.exe on the USB installer you”re talking about?

 

[Mussels]

Oh.. I forgot to mention that my motherboard is an Asus Prime X470 PRO. I run the latest BIOS which indeed is AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.7. I haven”t upgraded my cpu, only my GPU ! But what is it with that thing about upgrading from the setup.exe on the USB installer you”re talking about?

same way you install windows normally, just without wiping the PC

In the early days off 11 it was a method to get around a performance bug when you changed hardware