RTX 4070 tops the sales chart at Mindfactory but it's not all good news for NVIDIA...

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This graphic shows the Mindfactory.de (MF) graphics card sales for Week 15 2023 (RTX 4070 Launch Week) source: TechEpiphany

It's not all good news for NVIDIA once overall sales are considered, again source TechEpiphany

Units/share:

AMD: 2660 units, 58.98%, ASP: 559
Nvidia: 1830, 40.58%, ASP: 798
Intel: 20, 0.44%, ASP: 289

Revenue/share:

AMD revenue: 1488180, 50.36%
NVIDIA: 1461225, 49.45%
Intel: 5782, 0.2%

Bestsellers:

1. MSI Geforce RTX 4070 Ventus 3x
2. ASRock Radeon RX 6600 CLD Challenger D
3. XFX Radeon RX 6800 XT Speedster MERC319

 

[MarsM4N]

OMG, Intel sold 20 cards!

 

[dirtyferret]

so your saying the latest released video card sold the most on the week of its release

I'm going to look into these statistics right after I finish my study on Pope's preferred religion. .

 

[N/A]

What week. it was just one day, released on the 13th, followed by 4 days of holidays.

Who is buying all those 8GB cards like the 3070, makes no sense.

 

[dirtyferret]

Who is buying all those 8GB cards like the 3070, makes no sense.

most people buy based on price not performance, just look at all the threads about "I want to build a PC for $800-1200" yet hardly no one posts "I want to build a PC that will play the following games at 1440p, very high settings, @ 70FPS+"

 

[Bomby569]

Most sold card: the Ventus. Everybody is cheapening out

Be aware that the data over there does not represent a normal gpu sale. Most sold cards, are high end cards. Irrelevant data
Wait until the 4060 crowd get their fix

Data is irrelevant if not interpreted correctly and in context

 

[Vayra86]

Most sold card: the Ventus. Everybody is cheapening out

Be aware that the data over there does not represent a normal gpu sale. Most sold cards, are high end cards. Irrelevant data
Wait until the 4060 crowd get their fix

Data is irrelevant if not interpreted correctly and in context

Nehhh its pretty relevant I think because it shows the strong pull of high end cards. For discrete gpu sales I think this is representative. AIO and laptop plus full system prebuilt are filling up their own subsegments.

Strong sellers are still also 300-350 eur cards among the higher end ones; plus the 6950XT and 6800s. Thats also the perf thats worth upgrading to for anyone on Turing or older and some midrange Ampere on down

 

[Dr. Dro]

How is it not good news if they're topping sales charts? No matter the week. Their primary objective is to make money, after all.

Sure, AMD sold a bunch more... but they are primarily low end cards and last-gen overstock, resulting in a substantially lower ASP and overall just showing what we already knew: AMD fans are significantly more budget-conscious and that they are perfectly willing to settle as long as it's beneficial to their wallet, or strokes their ego in defense of their beloved brand.

 

[N/A]

The most baffling is the news about the worst selling card ever that is was just gathering dust when only one hour had passed since the launch and now the entirely contradicting news that it's the best seller and one week had passed when it's just again one hour before closing for the holidays.. I don't understand what is going on with the world anymore, the attacks. All the greed from both sides. people wanting a free lunch when it doesn't matter really, 50 cent per day for the next two years or 30 cents or whatever, doesn't matter, but nobody gives an inch, and sellers wanting to push a 192 bit card that has the same CUDA count as it's predecessor, instead of 8704 in the $600 segment when we should be getting a 256 bit 16GB card at least.

 

[Dr. Dro]

The most baffling is the news about the worst selling card ever that is was just gathering dust when only one hour had passed since the launh and now the entirely contradicting news that it's the best seller. I dont understand what is going on with the world anymore. All the greed from both sides. people wanting a free lunch when it doesnt matter really, 50 cent per day for the nex two years or 30 cents or whatever, doesn't matter, but nobody gives an inch, and sellers wanting to push a 192 bit card that has the same CUDA cound as it's predecessor, instead of 8704 in the $600 segment when we should be getting a 256 bi 16GB card at least.

It's simple, really. Whoever said that the RTX 4070 would be a market failure clearly had second intentions, its specs don't matter to the average customer, its general performance and rich feature set does.

Clubism is a very strong sentiment, one that first and foremost brings in the clicks - and while Nvidia is simply shameless about what they're doing, making the techie customer's wrath somewhat justified, we're a small segment of the market at large, and not the one they target their advertisement, or even their products, towards. As tech-savvy users, we are just going to purchase what suits our needs best and/or fits in our wallet, perhaps what aligns with our individual ideology (safe to say, a large segment of the very small amount people who still buy high-end Radeon cards when they aren't heavily discounted to clear stock as the 6950 XT is in this sample). Additionally, I'm willing to bet that a lot of the regulars here will never purchase an NVIDIA GPU out of principle, I consider TPU readership to be generally biased towards AMD, given the sheer amount of "ngreedia" words thrown around. As for me, I couldn't care less, I will purchase the best product for my hard-earned money.

AMD x Intel or NVIDIA, Sony x Microsoft, Sega x Nintendo, Pepsi x Coke... people grow attached and defend a company they swear fealty to, even though they're just a number to these businesses who couldn't care less about their custom or satisfaction as long as the money is coming in. AMD will happily bend its customer base over the same way any of the aforementioned companies will, they've shown this repeatedly over the short period of time they pulled ahead with their Ryzen CPUs, but just don't let their most rabid fans know about that. They might have a collective aneurysm and foam at the mouth as the life slowly slips away from their beady eyes.

 

[Bomby569]

Nehhh its pretty relevant I think because it shows the strong pull of high end cards. For discrete gpu sales I think this is representative. AIO and laptop plus full system prebuilt are filling up their own subsegments.

Strong sellers are still also 300-350 eur cards among the higher end ones; plus the 6950XT and 6800s. Thats also the perf thats worth upgrading to for anyone on Turing or older and some midrange Ampere on down

End of life old gen cards with big discounts selling is not news. A card just release idem.
More expensive cards topping the chart that is not expected, not normal, and it happens because the new mid/low range cards are not out yet. No one can outsell the **60 gang.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Nehhh its pretty relevant I think because it shows the strong pull of high end cards. For discrete gpu sales I think this is representative. AIO and laptop plus full system prebuilt are filling up their own subsegments.

Strong sellers are still also 300-350 eur cards among the higher end ones; plus the 6950XT and 6800s. Thats also the perf thats worth upgrading to for anyone on Turing or older and some midrange Ampere on down

Dude, Mindfactory has never been representative of anything industry-wide. It's market is for whatever reason, extremely AMD-centric.

And high-end cards have never had big numbers overall. Big revenue, probably, but not big unit sales numbers.

People criticize the steam surveys, but they are pretty consistent and it gives a view into what people actually buy.

What's more, Newegg which is probably a couple magnitudes of order bigger than Mindfactory in sales, reinforces what's here on Steam.

#1 best seller at Newegg :

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[Vya Domus]

People criticize the steam surveys, but they are pretty consistent and it gives a view into what people actually buy.

In the same way you assume mindfactory can be consistently misleading, steam survey can be consistently misleading as well.

I don't care a whole lot for either one of them but for what is worth I would take sales metric from an actual retailer as being closer to the real world in terms of indicating what people actually want.

 

[Kapone33]

How is it not good news if they're topping sales charts? No matter the week. Their primary objective is to make money, after all.

Sure, AMD sold a bunch more... but they are primarily low end cards and last-gen overstock, resulting in a substantially lower ASP and overall just showing what we already knew: AMD fans are significantly more budget-conscious and that they are perfectly willing to settle as long as it's beneficial to their wallet, or strokes their ego in defense of their beloved brand.

Calling the 7900XT, 6950XT and 6700XT Budget cards is laughable. Just the 7900XT sold 350 vs the 6500XT and 6400 combined by some measure.

Dude, Mindfactory has never been representative of anything industry-wide. It's market is for whatever reason, extremely AMD-centric.

And high-end cards have never had big numbers overall. Big revenue, probably, but not big unit sales numbers.

People criticize the steam surveys, but they are pretty consistent and it gives a view into what people actually buy.

What's more, Newegg which is probably a couple magnitudes of order bigger than Mindfactory in sales, reinforces what's here on Steam.

#1 best seller at Newegg :
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Germany is not under the propaganda Campaign that make people post things like this. On my Newegg the number one selling card is the As Rock 6700XT Challenger card for $489 CAD.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Calling the 7900XT, 6950XT and 6700XT Budget cards is laughable. Just the 7900XT sold 350 vs the 6500XT and 6400 combined by some measure.


Germany is not under the propaganda Campaign that make people post things like this. On my Newegg the number one selling card is the As Rock 6700XT Challenger card for $489 CAD.

That's because on newegg they track us sales and Canadian sales separately

Canada


US


Be willing to bet the US massively outsells Canada as far as GPUs go though.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Calling the 7900XT, 6950XT and 6700XT Budget cards is laughable. Just the 7900XT sold 350 vs the 6500XT and 6400 combined by some measure.

Germany is not under the propaganda Campaign that make people post things like this. On my Newegg the number one selling card is the As Rock 6700XT Challenger card for $489 CAD.

The 7900 XT isn't a budget card (although it is the most value conscious of the current-generation batch, on both sides), but the 6700 XT is a last-gen midranger and the 6950 XT is on a fire sale to clear stock and cover for the 7800 XT's absence.

End of life old gen cards with big discounts selling is not news. A card just release idem.
More expensive cards topping the chart that is not expected, not normal, and it happens because the new mid/low range cards are not out yet. No one can outsell the **60 gang.

Precisely.

 

[Vya Domus]

The 7900 XT isn't a budget card (although it is the most value conscious of the current-generation batch, on both sides), but the 6700 XT is a last-gen midranger and the 6950 XT is on a fire sale to clear stock and cover for the 7800 XT's absence.



Precisely.

7000 series have been out for what, almost 5 months or so ?

I think the "6000 series is selling this well because they're on discount to clear stock" argument isn't holding water anymore. I think they're just better products, probably why AMD has no desire to manufacture lower end 7000 series GPUs.

 

[Dr. Dro]

7000 series have been out for what, almost 5 months or so ?

I think the "6000 series is selling this well because they're on discount to clear stock" argument isn't holding water anymore. I think they're just better products, probably why AMD has no desire to manufacture lower end 7000 series GPUs.

Either no desire, or they can't make a product which will deliver the expected level of performance and thus is worth shipping. That the 7900 XT performs so close to the 4070 Ti, which is two "sizes" of chips below the 4090 (102, 103, 104), bodes quite ill

 

[Vya Domus]

Either no desire, or they can't make a product which will deliver the expected level of performance and thus is worth shipping.

They can't make what ? A smaller, slower GPU ? Come on.

That the 7900 XT performs so close to the 4070 Ti, which is two "sizes" of chips below the 4090 (102, 103, 104), bodes quite ill

For one AMD is on an inferior node, secondly it's not the chips but the amount of compute which dictates how these chips perform. 7900 XT/XTX, RTX 4080/4070ti, all of these GPUs are within a very narrow performance band, there is only a 27% performance gap between the slowest and fastest of these. The only chip significantly faster than either of those is AD102, which also has significantly more compute and is also significantly more expensive, so I don't see anything that bodes ill, it's just what you expect.

 

[Nosada]

so your saying the latest released video card sold the most on the week of its release

I'm going to look into these statistics right after I finish my study on Pope's preferred religion. .

Next up: where do bears shit?

 

[A&P211]

so your saying the latest released video card sold the most on the week of its release

I'm going to look into these statistics right after I finish my study on Pope's preferred religion. .

I've been told his preferred religion is astrology

 

[evernessince]

Most sold card: the Ventus. Everybody is cheapening out

Be aware that the data over there does not represent a normal gpu sale. Most sold cards, are high end cards. Irrelevant data
Wait until the 4060 crowd get their fix

Data is irrelevant if not interpreted correctly and in context

I have a Ventus simply because it was one of the few cards without RGB BS. That it's cheaper is just icing on the cake.

7000 series have been out for what, almost 5 months or so ?

I think the "6000 series is selling this well because they're on discount to clear stock" argument isn't holding water anymore. I think they're just better products, probably why AMD has no desire to manufacture lower end 7000 series GPUs.

Makes sense, AMD does the same thing with it's CPUs where it delays rolling out lower end models instead relying on last gen parts that fill that in.

 

[kramstrebor]

Either no desire, or they can't make a product which will deliver the expected level of performance and thus is worth shipping. That the 7900 XT performs so close to the 4070 Ti, which is two "sizes" of chips below the 4090 (102, 103, 104), bodes quite ill

Another way of looking at it would be that given that the 7900 XT performs 10% better, in TPU's 1440/4K benchmarks, while selling at the same ASP in Europe bodes quite ill for Nvidia.

Unless of course consumers get mugged off by the argument that Ray Tracing actually matters. To those people I say: "pixel peep the long and short draw distances and see how RT drops image quality" https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cyberpunk-2077-benchmark-test-performance/4.html

 

[Dr. Dro]

Another way of looking at it would be that given that the 7900 XT performs 10% better, in TPU's 1440/4K benchmarks, while selling at the same ASP in Europe bodes quite ill for Nvidia.

Unless of course consumers get mugged off by the argument that Ray Tracing actually matters. To those people I say: "pixel peep the long and short draw distances and see how RT drops image quality" https://www.techpowerup.com/review/cyberpunk-2077-benchmark-test-performance/4.html

Except that the 7900 XT is carved out of a cut down top tier silicon, and NVIDIA is selling a lower end, third tier silicon at a massive premium. I don't see how that can be seen as an ill, especially when the BoM for a cutdown card based on a more complex silicon is inherently higher -and as you said, command the sameish ASP.

They can't make what ? A smaller, slower GPU ? Come on.



For one AMD is on an inferior node, secondly it's not the chips but the amount of compute which dictates how these chips perform. 7900 XT/XTX, RTX 4080/4070ti, all of these GPUs are within a very narrow performance band, there is only a 27% performance gap between the slowest and fastest of these. The only chip significantly faster than either of those is AD102, which also has significantly more compute and is also significantly more expensive, so I don't see anything that bodes ill, it's just what you expect.

Can they make one that will measure to expectations of a product of its caliber and cost? It's not that they cannot make one, it's "can they make one that's worth it?"

As for the node advantage, I've heard a lot of speculation. Some say that N4 is just a minor node refresh and that they are functionally equal. Others say that AMD is at a disadvantage. I can't comment because I honestly don't know who's right in this debate.

 

[MarsM4N]

Dude, Mindfactory has never been representative of anything industry-wide. It's market is for whatever reason, extremely AMD-centric.

And high-end cards have never had big numbers overall. Big revenue, probably, but not big unit sales numbers.

People criticize the steam surveys, but they are pretty consistent and it gives a view into what people actually buy.

What's more, Newegg which is probably a couple magnitudes of order bigger than Mindfactory in sales, reinforces what's here on Steam.

#1 best seller at Newegg :
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Mindfactory might not be representative industry-wide, but for the German market (guess even for the EU market). It's "extremely AMD-centric market" just shows that a lot of Germans think their money is better invested in a AMD card than in a Nvidia card, right now. Now why is that?

First, for raw rasterization performance AMD is right now just the better deal. Aslo AMD has right now pretty competitive deals while Nvidia thinks they can still milk the market with higher end cards (incl. Nvidia Premium tax). Second, German reviewers are more objective and give honest recommendations instead of turning their review into a sale advertisement. And Germans for the most part do their research before burning their money, esp. in the current economic conditions. The sale numbers show that people buy mostly in the sub €700 market, they buy what gives them the most rasterization performance, and from Nvidia there isn't much "good" to pick atm.

About the consistency of the Steam Hardware Surveys, they are pretty flawed and need to be taken with a big grain of salt. They don't reveal how they're conducted, it's like a "Black Box". The only reliable numbers on Steam are sale numbers & most played.

https://gamerant.com/steam-hardware-survey-most-popular-language-march-2023-chinese/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2018/...ausing-cyber-cafes-to-be-over-counting-users/
Heck, they can't even include their current/peak player numbers on the store pages (you need to rely on 3rd party websites or use browser plugins like "Augmented Steam" to see them). They also don't include MetaCritic user rankings on the store pages. Guess both would hurt sales of dead/trash games.