RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Core i9-13900K vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D

[JATownes]

This shows that for gaming the 5800X3D is a great deal and can still feed high end video cards. Unfortunately, if you use your rig for any kind of compiling or other high thread workloads, it's simply not going to cut it.

But damn I'd sure like to play with one.

 

[zlobby]

in the plane ready to take off

Riiiight!

Why smoke jah to fly, when you can take some DMT and teleport? Airlines hate this trick!

This shows that for gaming the 5800X3D is a great deal and can still feed high end video cards. Unfortunately, if you use your rig for any kind of compiling or other high thread workloads, it's simply not going to cut it.

But damn I'd sure like to play with one.

I'm the only guy that I knew back in the days, who was crunching numbers AND playing games on the same CPU (often at the same time). We damn few...

So, not quite sure if crunching folk will miss the X3D?

 

[ReallyBigMistake]

I think I have OCD or something but some of the game engines are wrong
Farcry 5 and 6 use Dunia 2
Watchdogs Legion uses Disrupt

 

[mastrdrver]

@W1zzard do you have any comment on the 4k flip in Civ 6? Seems to go from a decent double digit lead for Intel and then flips to a double digit lead for AMD. Seems odd.

 

[Space Lynx]

I agree 100% with the conclusion W1zz wrote.

imo AMD if they were smart, would halt production of all other CPU's since they aren't selling out, bring in a 7800X3D SKU, and just mass produce that one SKU, and I bet even with that level of a concentrated effort in production, it would still sell out day 1. Give the people what they want AMD. I would have went AM5 this round actually if that SKU was around.

Also, if AMD was smart they would use their CPU 5nm TSMC production time to max produce their two next generation GPU's with a temporary hold on the CPU production, flood the markets with supply of those two gpu's since they will provide the max profit, and lets face it we all know they will sell out day 1 no matter what AMD does... make that money AMD. After the markets are saturated with those two high end gpu's though, switch over to the 7800X3D SKU and begin production on that as well as lower tier next gen gpu's.

Have to give the people what they want AMD.

 

[EatingDirt]

The most important subset of these 53 games to me, is the one of "low frame rate games". I would like to see the bottom 25 percent of games taken out of the group of 53 (the bottom 13 games in FPS for example), so we can see what difference the CPU is making in games that run slowly. I don't need a CPU upgrade to get from 400 to 600fps. I would like to bring 100 fps titles up to 150fps etc.

Very funny that out of all the games that have large differences at 4k, DMC5 and Civilization 6 are the only ones I play and they are both heavily AMD favored. Upgrading to Intel would slow me down. Intel has to get fixes for those 2 games out! The scheduler is still not working right?

I don't know what's wrong with DMC5, the 1080p is an anomaly, but it disappears at 1440p & 4k. If you look at all the resolution results for Civ5, the 13900k is faster at lower resolutions, but the 5800X3D beats it out at higher resolutions. It may be a case that at 4k Civ5 framerate runs into a memory latency bottleneck, which would help the 5800X3D pull ahead.

As for a framerate, we get those for the CPU reviews. We can see what they're majority of games (24) in the reviews for the CPU's. That being said, the 4090's average FPS was ~160 at 4k with the 5800X, so you can probably be assured that both CPU's are getting well above that at 720p in all the games, I imagine, and an average of over 150 in most games at 4k.

 

[Nihilus]

So extrapolating these results... the 5800x3d is the king at 8k gaming

 

[Gemack]

This title is not the 5800X used in the comparison. Even Intel recognized that the 5800X3D (not 5800X as in this article) beat the 13900K in gaming. Very misleading and biased

 

[Space Lynx]

Does anyone know if Windows 11 vs Windows 10 makes a difference in benchmark scores these days? I haven't kept up with things on that front.

 

[Pepamami]

Yeah lets compare a CPU that literally no one in their right mind would EVER buy for gaming. EVER. To a CPU that can literally be used for nothing BUT gaming. Thats genius right there fellas. While we're at it I think we should drag race a bicycle vs a Top Fuel Dragster.

where is threadripper, I cant find it in review. I think 13600k can be next. But still, 5800X3D is widely used as an "Upgrade" option, and 13900K is used in review as "fastest gaming CPU", its like "how far u will be behind from the best, if u just buy an upgrade for ur old b450 or x370, instead of buying everything new"

 

[rv8000]

This one is currently a terrible value for buck.

Both the 7600X and 7700X are terrible value. AMD through them further under the bus when they discounted the 5800x3D. Now they get beat in price, gaming, and MT apps by the 13600k and 13700k.

They need a massive price adjust asap

 

[Jism]

The few games the X3D is behind is actually due to the difference in IPC pretty much.

You await untill AMD brings out that 7x00X3D version, with _hopefully_ a seperate voltage rail for it's SDRAM Cache so the CPU can function at it's fullest clocks (and not have a voltage limitation of 1.35V).

 

[NeDix!]

nice work @w1zard

But could u add the FFXIV benchmark on the future ? mmorpg kinda love the 3d cache so could be really good information for some people

 

[Garrus]

We are comparing two top CPUs. If you don't see a 20 percent difference in a game you are interested in, you probably won't notice it. They are not far apart. Unless you only play Ace Combat 7 a lot, buy either / or

 

[Minus Infinity]

Conclusion: Why waste money buying a 13900K if just for gaming. 13700K makes far more sense. 13900K is pointless unless you do a lot of productivity based MT work, but even here 13700K shines. Based on the results a 7800X3D will wipe the floor with Raptor Lake, but knowing AMD will be priced at an absurd $500.

 

[nguyen]

I'm more interested in the 95% and 99% percentile FPS, as showed in 13700K review

 

[noel_fs]

nice, to me the only thing that matters is 4k

would have been super nice to see like an average of power consumption but i can imagine adding tons of work if done properly

 

[AnotherReader]

Great review @W1zzard . You're a machine.

TLDR: Raptor Lake will lose by a significant margin to the 3D variant of the 7700X.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

@W1zzard looks like you may have posted the wrong chart.

Great review BTW, a real eye opener.

2 quick questions:

Were the outliers (e.g. Civ 5 @ 4k) rerun to exclude the possibility of error?

Also, was there any particular reason for using DDR5 on the Raptor Lake setup instead of identical RAM configs?

 

[rbgc]

5800X3D is widely used as an "Upgrade" option, and 13900K is used in review as "fastest gaming CPU", its like "how far u will be behind from the best, if u just buy an upgrade for ur old AM4 b450 or x370, instead of buying everything new"

Exactly.

This review is about current gen top Intel CPU against previous gen AMD top "gaming" CPU. And reviews in January (4090 with 13900K and 7800X3D) will be about "how far u are behind in games with 13900K instead of using current gen AMD top "gaming" CPU".

 

[Space Lynx]

I'm more interested in the 95% and 99% percentile FPS, as showed in 13700K review
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Can you explain to me what this mean? Is this the same thing as 1% and 5% lows people talk about? I don't understand the terminology.

 

[BoredErica]

It would be interesting to see if loading times differ between zen3d or RPL overclocked.

 

[birdie]

I slightly disagree with the tone of the review.

5800X3D is a great gaming-only CPU but 13900K is a great all-rounder CPU since it's more than twice as fast in heavy MT workloads and in its single threaded performance is unparallelled.

And, oh boy, I don't quite understand everyone's excitement with the first. How many people ... no, let's talk about dedicated hardcore gamers, out there game at 1080/1440p on RTX 4090? 0.5%? 0.1%?

 

[nguyen]

Can you explain to me what this mean? Is this the same thing as 1% and 5% lows people talk about? I don't understand the terminology.

They are similar, 95% and 99% percentile measure the FPS that you will have 95%/99% of the time, while 1% and 5% measure the occasional dip in FPS. They are 2 side of the same coin anyways.
Avg FPS alone just do not tell the whole story about the gaming experience.

 

[jrbigz]

The power usage should also be considered when both cpu's have similar performance. You'd be mad to move to raptor lake especially for gaming if your already on AM4 and have a decent motherboard and ram

Similar to what? Gotta give to you AMD fanboys constantly posting power usage for productivity where 5800X3D is crushed to the abyss, while ignoring the power usage during gaming.