Ryzen 3600

[Space Lynx]

I have that thermaltake pure copper 2 kilos of pure copper but it's not with me where i'm at moment, I'm very far away from home hehe, working, If I was at home then I would be using that, that cooler could keep a i7 920 1.4v 4.4ghz around 70c, tdp at base clock i7 920 2.6ghz used to be 130 watts, 4.4 ghz loaded only the cpu used to be around 320 watts. I think this coolermaster masterliquid 240mm is for a 100 watts tdp cpu. Back in 2008, I paid 120 gbp for that, that cooler is a rarity, not planning to sell, will always have a use hehe, anyway I'm very happy with this build, if 3600x, 3700x and up were really giving the performance you paid for then I would have got any of them, I did not want to pay for 4.4ghz and got 4.2ghz., better pay for a 4.2ghz and get a 4.2ghz hehe. If I were you I would wait for a refresh. 5.0ghz is very certain.

I just googled that, I didn't even know this existed... it is beautiful... I want one lol

 

[Metroid]

I just googled that, I didn't even know this existed... it is beautiful... I want one lol

Very, this cheap aio purchase was a very wise decision cause the 3600 stock cooler is disgraceful hehe, really hehe, I could not do anything, cinebench used to hit 95c in few seconds hehe, handbrake my god hehe, that was tough, I had to disable cores for it not to overheat, i mean change the affinity in the windows task manager. You just cant go wrong with this. I also have some custom watercooling items, one of the best radiators, feser 360 at home, used dual pump with it, just the 2 pumps 50 watts hehe, 25 watts each, overkill, sometimes you just buy things that you may never need, I was about to go with a 360mm aio with this one, 360. Glad I did not, there would be no need for this, 3600 65 watts a 240mm is enough.

 

[Metroid]

Current bios.

 

[crustydorito]

4.35ghz @ 1.3825V

 

[Metroid]

Just updated the bios to the latest version, "Updated AMD AGESA ComboAm4PI 1.0.0.6 ", built date, 06-11-2020.

4.35ghz @ 1.3825V

On the cpu core voltage, set amd overclocking and then override.

 

[crustydorito]

prime95 had some funny results, at the 12 minute mark, temps rose to 90C+, once it passed 15 minutes it dropped to 65C+.

 

[biffzinker]

Just updated the bios to the latest version, "Updated AMD AGESA ComboAm4PI 1.0.0.6 ", built date, 06-11-2020.

The B450 Tomahawk has the AMD AGESA ComboAm4PI 1.0.0.6 BIOS update as well.

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[Metroid]

prime95 had some funny results, at the 12 minute mark, temps rose to 90C+, once it passed 15 minutes it dropped to 65C+.

What is your temperature doing stress bench on cpu-z? Prime is really stressful, also what is your aio and rpm of the fans? I set to, if temperature greater than 70c then set fan 100% rpm, my fans are corsair 2400 rpm, https://www.corsair.com/lm/en/Categ.../ml-pro-config/p/CO-9050040-WW#tab-tech-specs

The B450 Tomahawk has the AMD AGESA ComboAm4PI 1.0.0.6 BIOS update as well.

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Yeah.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Just updated the bios to the latest version, "Updated AMD AGESA ComboAm4PI 1.0.0.6 ", built date, 06-11-2020.



On the cpu core voltage, set amd overclocking and then override.

What kind of ram do you have? What dies? Most crappy dies like Micron B-die/D-die/Hynix A/M does 3400-3466cl16 without problems. 3466cl20 really slows things down. There is a lot of potential there. Ram generally inpacts system speed much more than a slight cpu OC

 

[Metroid]

What kind of ram do you have? What dies? Most crappy dies like Micron B-die/D-die/Hynix A/M does 3400-3466cl16 without problems. 3466cl20 really slows things down. There is a lot of potential there. Ram generally inpacts system speed much more than a slight cpu OC

It's a pretty old crucial ram, probably the first ones that came out, although its rated 2133 cl14 1.2, with cl20 can overclock as high as 3466 cl 20 1.36v, pretty good. You know all ddr4 memory are 2133 right by default? silicon quality push them to higher clocks and lower timings, for example b-die.

On my tests, overclocking the memory made a bigger impact than keeping the latency low, 2133 cl14 bandwidth was almost half than at 3466, so latency here does not matter as much as bandwidth, benchmark wise only a marginally slower than any other better memory die and as ryzen does not benefit of memory higher than 3600, 3733, in the end I saved $400 as there was no need to buy another 32gb of ddr4 memory.

 

[crustydorito]

What is your temperature doing stress bench on cpu-z? Prime is really stressful, also what is your aio and rpm of the fans? I set to, if temperature greater than 70c then set fan 100% rpm, my fans are corsair 2400 rpm, https://www.corsair.com/lm/en/Categ.../ml-pro-config/p/CO-9050040-WW#tab-tech-specs



Yeah.

cpu-z stress benching only managed to hit 70+.i know that prime is pretty unrealistic when it comes to tests, hence i was running 30 min of cb20 to check for stability. my aio is the ekwb aio 240mm and i honestly don’t know my fan speed, because i plugged it into ekwb’s controller but so far its not working, so i’m going to reroute the fan power straight the motherboard for now until ekwb’s customer service gets to me.

cpu-z stress benching only managed to hit 70+.i know that prime is pretty unrealistic when it comes to tests, hence i was running 30 min of cb20 to check for stability. my aio is the ekwb aio 240mm and i honestly don’t know my fan speed, because i plugged it into ekwb’s controller but so far its not working, so i’m going to reroute the fan power straight the motherboard for now until ekwb’s customer service gets to me.

aio fans are ek’s vardar

 

[Metroid]

aio fans are ek’s vardar

They are good and very noisy. Prime is overkill.

 

[crustydorito]

They are good and very noisy. Prime is overkill.

actually they’re not super noisy, maybe its because of the glass side panel in my build but i think if i was gaming with a headset on i wouldn’t hear it

i tried to up the frequency to 4.3ghz @ 1.32v and if you can see in the bottom right, the test has only been running for 5 minutes and prime has dropped 9/12 threads, what could be the problem and potential solution here?

i ran cb20 on 4.3ghz @ 1.32v for half an hour (accidentally reset the timer) but temperatures never rose beyond 72C

 

[Metroid]

actually they’re not super noisy, maybe its because of the glass side panel in my build but i think if i was gaming with a headset on i wouldn’t hear it

i tried to up the frequency to 4.3ghz @ 1.32v and if you can see in the bottom right, the test has only been running for 5 minutes and prime has dropped 9/12 threads, what could be the problem and potential solution here?

i ran cb20 on 4.3ghz @ 1.32v for half an hour (accidentally reset the timer) but temperatures never rose beyond 72C

The solution would be to drop the frequency a little bit more, i guess 4250mhz would be ideal for now if ends in another failure then 4.2ghz.

 

[crustydorito]

The solution would be to drop the frequency a little bit more, i guess 4250mhz would be ideal for now if ends in another failure then 4.2ghz.

i still have some thermal headroom, do you suggest increasing voltage or just drop frequency

 

[Metroid]

i still have some thermal headroom, do you suggest increasing voltage or just drop frequency

Drop the frequency, need to keep that 1.32v for 24/7.

 

[crustydorito]

Drop the frequency, need to keep that 1.32v for 24/7.

is cb20 an adequate test if run for 30minutes to check for stability ?

 

[Metroid]

is cb20 an adequate test if run for 30minutes to check for stability ?

Well, I don't consider it, that benchmark is used a lot for glamorous people hehe aka youtubers. Stick with the old and still good Prime95, Sandra, aida64 and some others.

 

[crustydorito]

Well, I don't consider it, that benchmark is used a lot for glamorous people hehe aka youtubers. Stick with the old and still good Prime95, Sandra, aida64 and some others.

ah i see, i’ve managed to get it stable at 4.25ghz @ 1.32v and saved it as an overclock profile, i wonder how low i can get the voltage while maintaining 4.25 or 4.2, hopefully 1.1v or something

 

[Metroid]

ah i see, i’ve managed to get it stable at 4.25ghz @ 1.32v and saved it as an overclock profile, i wonder how low i can get the voltage while maintaining 4.25 or 4.2, hopefully 1.1v or something

That is good to hear, it depends your silicon, new ryzen 3xxx bins starting a month ago can be overclocked to 4.2ghz with extreme low voltages. The newer ryzen xt series coming next month, ryzen 3600xt boost clock to 4.5 ~ 4.6 from 4.2, almost 10% clock speed boost but I rather wait for the 4xxx series.

 

[crustydorito]

That is good to hear, it depends your silicon, new ryzen 3xxx bins starting a month ago can be overclocked to 4.2ghz with extreme low voltages. The newer ryzen xt series coming next month, ryzen 3600xt boost clock to 4.5 ~ 4.6 from 4.2, almost 10% clock speed boost but I rather wait for the 4xxx series.

dang i wonder what the price difference is going to be maybe i should have held back 6 months and wait for the xts but are they coming with 4th gen or just before? it doesn’t make sense to release xt which can directly compete with their 4 gen products though

 

[Metroid]

dang i wonder what the price difference is going to be maybe i should have held back 6 months and wait for the xts but are they coming with 4th gen or just before? it doesn’t make sense to release xt which can directly compete with their 4 gen products though

Well the xt version is pricier, i mean the 3600 can be bought for $180, I guess the xt version will be around $300 usd on release day, so not worth in my book. The 4xxx yes because they will have the clock speed of the 3xxx xt and lots of improvements, 3xxx xt july 7th and 4xxx november I guess, if not then january 2021.

 

[crustydorito]

sounds like i could put that 300usd into a better binned 3700x or 3800x even depending on prices and just clock it higher + more cores for productivity. xt owners might kick themselves if amd pulls off some trick like they did for the release of RDNA graphics card when nvidia lowered the 2070 prices.

 

[Metroid]

sounds like i could put that 300usd into a better binned 3700x or 3800x even depending on prices and just clock it higher + more cores for productivity. xt owners might kick themselves if amd pulls off some trick like they did for the release of RDNA graphics card when nvidia lowered the 2070 prices.

Yeah, the 3600xt is just not worth at that price, would pick up a newer batch 3600 any day, 70% of newer 3600 are hitting 4.4ghz 1.2v, 20% of newer 3600 are hitting 4.6ghz 1.2v and 10% of newer 3600 are hitting 4.7ghz plus with 1.2v.

 

[crustydorito]

holy crap, i must have gotten an older one then, can’t get it 4.45ghz even at 1.5v

3600xts that are later binned closer towards the release of 4th gen might even be able to hit 5ghz at 1.5v maybe if you get lucky