Ryzen 5 5600 (Non X) Temperature

[tabascosauz]

5900X is easier to cool than a 5600 though; The 142W PPT is divided between two CCDs so the most power going through an individual die is typically under 65W (~15W or so for the IO die)
Even the non-X single-CCD Ryzens are getting 88W PPT, of which typically ~75W will be going through the single die. It's not a huge difference in absolute terms, but we're talking 15% higher wattage through the same area of silicon. The 5800X is the real problem chid because that's trying to cool almost 130W in the same area.

With Zen3, the issue is rarely "too much heat overwhelming the cooling", it's more that the heat density in the die is overwhelming the thermal transfer of the solder, IHS, and cooler baseplate. Whenever a Zen3 CPU is saying it's hot, you'll often find that the air coming off the heatsink or radiator is cool or lukewarm; Unmounting the cooler to check the mounting pressure and inspect the thermal paste is a step I've done many times on many builds when I see high temperatures, but it's never been that - it's simply that Zen3 is subject to hotspots in the die, and some motherboards exacerbate the issue by applying very aggressive voltage curves by default.

Nine times out of ten, I can get Zen3 temperatures down by 10-20C by simply going to curve optimiser and setting a -10 offset on all cores. No other changes required and cooling/fan curves/PBO/PPT/TDC/EDC all left as they were. I'm not sure if -10 CO offset is guaranteed stable on lower-bin CPUs like the vanilla 5600 but I've never had -10 cause instability on 5800X/5900X/5950X and in my own rig I run per-core offsets ranging from 15 to 26 based on HWInfo and some stress testing to find the limits.

A tuned system with optimised voltages can run a single-CCD Zen3 CPU at relatively low temperatures even when beyond max advertised boost on all cores.
At the same time, there are countless threads around the web proving that these chips can get hot, even with decent cooling. It's likely all down to variance between boards and BIOSes. Manufacturers playing it safe will likely just pump up the voltage to ensure it's fast and stable.

5600, (5600G iirc), 5600X, and 5700X all have a PPT of 76W. They do not follow the otherwise true 88/60/90 rules for 65W TDP parts, and accordingly are by far the easiest to cool Zen 3 parts.

The 5900X isn't always as trivial to cool as you make it sound. The high Fmax of 4950-5150 can easily see a single core drawing close to or equal to 20W in heavy loads. Like you said yourself, all of Zen 3's heat problems come from thermal density, which in turn stems from high per-core power.

5600 and 5600G have a Fmax range of 4450-4650, which makes it borderline impossible to heat up to the levels of 5800X/5900X/5950X without manual OC.

Even at 4650 PBO the per-core draw never gets high enough and my 5600G peaked around 60C on a L12. 5600G and 5600 have different physical layouts but at their low power draw thermals are comparable.

Hello,

What are Ryzen 5 5600 (Non X) Normal Temperatures?

I just upgraded from a Ryzen 5 2600 to a 5 5600.

With the 2600 my temps when idle were between 30-35C but i did not pay attention to what it used to be while gaming. But now after upgrading to the 5600 with just my browser, steam, ICUE and Dragon Center opened my temps would stay between 48-55C sometimes it would randomly spike to 60C for like a second or 2 and when gaming (I tried phasmophobia, Darktide, BF2042 and MW2 to check the temps) it would stay between 55-62C sometimes it jumps to 65.

Is this normal because of the Ryzen 5 5600 heat density? i don't use the stock cooler it came with, i'm using the AIO Cooler Master masterliquid ML240L v2 240mm on the front side of my case.

Should i reinstall the AIO and/or re-apply thermal paste?

This sounds like you might want to check your mounting pressure and paste application.

BF and MW19/MW2 are rather heavy AVX, can heat up one or two cores significantly, and will generally run on the warm side for Ryzens, though how much depends on the CPU. Knowing that, and if your room ambient is on the higher side, and if you are running PBO settings, then 65C isn't unreasonable.

The problem with water of any kind on Ryzen is that there is only so much it can do for thermal density-related temp spikes. It's only when you crank up the pure power that water can really show it's advantage, which is only really applicable to 2CCD parts.

 

[Chrispy_]

I took my side panel off and left it for a couple of minutes and temperature is the same which was between 38c and 42c.

Before this I changed my power plan settings to power saving mode and decreased my temps to 34C.


Wait i just re-read the ''H510 FRONT intake vents''. Mine cannot be removed, only the sides. I believe only the H510 Flow has the removable front panel. For the airflow of the front of mine is just a few holes on the side of the case. Unless i drill out the rivets but that would take the top metal part too.

The only front intake in the H510 that your AIO can use is along the front edge of the right side panel (looking at the front of the case). Get rid of the side fan filter too, unless you have a really dusty room.

The best thing you can do with that case is make sure that the air can get to that location as freely as possible. Taking off that particular side panel (or just sliding it back 50mm) will help, but also make sure you haven't used that space to stuff cables. The H510 isn't a bad case, but it does sacrifice some intake airflow to get those clean looks.

Lastly, it's possible to screw the fans on the wrong side of the frame, where they block the intake plenum and obstruct the ventilation channel I've circled above. Just in case, here's how you are hopefully laying out your AIO:

1 = Empty void (intake plenum) with side-panel ventilation
2 = Fans, mounted behind the frame
3 = Radiator

Whoops, I somehow missed his location..

I don’t have an open bench, but I get your point

Whoops, confused your rig with Dr Dro's as I had 'hot climate' on the brain.
No excuse really, your Torrent is your forum avatar...

 

[mekro1009]

The only front intake in the H510 that your AIO can use is along the front edge of the right side panel (looking at the front of the case). Get rid of the side fan filter too, unless you have a really dusty room.

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The best thing you can do with that case is make sure that the air can get to that location as freely as possible. Taking off that particular side panel (or just sliding it back 50mm) will help, but also make sure you haven't used that space to stuff cables. The H510 isn't a bad case, but it does sacrifice some intake airflow to get those clean looks.

Lastly, it's possible to screw the fans on the wrong side of the frame, where they block the intake plenum and obstruct the ventilation channel I've circled above. Just in case, here's how you are hopefully laying out your AIO:

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1 = Empty void (intake plenum) with side-panel ventilation
2 = Fans, mounted behind the frame
3 = Radiator


Whoops, confused your rig with Dr Dro's as I had 'hot climate' on the brain.
No excuse really, your Torrent is your forum avatar...

Hello!
It does get really dusty
Yes that's how i kinda have it installed. Except that i have the fans on the 3rd side and the radiator on the 2nd.

Here's a pic.

5600, (5600G iirc), 5600X, and 5700X all have a PPT of 76W. They do not follow the otherwise true 88/60/90 rules for 65W TDP parts, and accordingly are by far the easiest to cool Zen 3 parts.

The 5900X isn't always as trivial to cool as you make it sound. The high Fmax of 4950-5150 can easily see a single core drawing close to or equal to 20W in heavy loads. Like you said yourself, all of Zen 3's heat problems come from thermal density, which in turn stems from high per-core power.

5600 and 5600G have a Fmax range of 4450-4650, which makes it borderline impossible to heat up to the levels of 5800X/5900X/5950X without manual OC.

Even at 4650 PBO the per-core draw never gets high enough and my 5600G peaked around 60C on a L12. 5600G and 5600 have different physical layouts but at their low power draw thermals are comparable.



This sounds like you might want to check your mounting pressure and paste application.

BF and MW19/MW2 are rather heavy AVX, can heat up one or two cores significantly, and will generally run on the warm side for Ryzens, though how much depends on the CPU. Knowing that, and if your room ambient is on the higher side, and if you are running PBO settings, then 65C isn't unreasonable.

The problem with water of any kind on Ryzen is that there is only so much it can do for thermal density-related temp spikes. It's only when you crank up the pure power that water can really show it's advantage, which is only really applicable to 2CCD parts.

I just pre applied the thermal paste and made sure the AIO was well placed, nice and tight and temperatures are about the same. No changes. its staying mostly at 40C with just Opera browser, Dragon Center and a couple programs opened (Steam, discord and Epic games. Even if these programs are closed the temperature is the same).

I'm guessing it's just my Case and room temperature since i live in a Tropical country. Because when gaming my temps would not go above 60 or 65C. Sometimes not even 55C and when i play with Power Saving profile in the Power Plan settings the temps would not go above 45-50C.

Any other suggestions? I'm here to learn from everyone about anything! I've have learned so much from everone.

 

[Chrispy_]

Yeah, there's not a huge amount of performance difference between push or pull configurations, and TBH with dust being a concern, the radiator is far easier to dust down without fans in the way so that's probably how I'd choose to run them.

You can improve cooling by stepping up to a push-pull configuration, but honestly there's no need.

 

[mekro1009]

Yeah, there's not a huge amount of performance difference between push or pull configurations, and TBH with dust being a concern, the radiator is far easier to dust down without fans in the way so that's probably how I'd choose to run them.

You can improve cooling by stepping up to a push-pull configuration, but honestly there's no need.

the radiator is far easier to dust down without fans

I guess so yeah now that you mention it. I might switch it around like that.

About the Push-pull i don't think i have enough room to have fans on both sides unless i place them inside the empty space where the air comes on the front. Wouldn't that make it harder to get air too?

Like if i just place fans on #3, radiator on #2 and 2 more fans inside on #1.

 

[Chrispy_]

I guess so yeah now that you mention it. I might switch it around like that.

No, you have it right for easy cleaning already.

The side of the radiator that gets clogged with dust is the front, so with your fans on the back you can more easily wipe dust buildup off the front. It's still a bit of a pain with the H510 because you have to do it from the side through that narrow slit, but at least you can get your fingers and a damp cloth in there relatively easily.

Like if i just place fans on #3, radiator on #2 and 2 more fans inside on #1.

Don't put fans in position 1, they'll block up the side hole which your AIO needs to breathe through.

Push-pull is great if you have space and spare fans, but don't worry about it if you don't.

 

[GerKNG]

mine runs stock (~19°C ambient) with stock powerlimits at around 55-60°C on a 25€ thermalright AK120.
4.8 GHz all Core 1.375V peaks at around 80-85°C.

 

[Eiffel]

In intensive use I never managed to reach more than 75 degrees in the tests and only with manual oc at 4.9 it barely reaches 81 degrees with 1.29v. I think I got a good CPU
my 5600 with one cooler master lite 120 whith two fans

 

[TOUSSIA]

salam, i got recently the ryzen 5600 with an ux100 cooler fan that runs about 1800 rpm. and the temp reached 95° in farcry and most use was between 70 and 90 maxload, and about 65 in idle, i tried everything undervolting and fan tweak but the temp still very hot.
Solution: bought a new cpu aircooler (spirit of gamers vr-120) that runs in 2500 rpm , 4 pipes direct contact, and the results was superbe 40° idle, 65 max in max load and no sound at all , it was perfect and now i can play confortably.