Ryzen 5800 owners complain about very high MT load temps

[EarthDog]

5950X at stock peaked at 74C during the single run MT test (Corsair H115i on auto, ambient of 25C on an open test bench). It ran at 3.8 GHz to 3.85 GHz. I'm running the 10 min test now and will post pics in a while.

Temps seem fine out of the gate. I don't expect to see it increase much since they test runs so fast and all of the downtime in the 10 min test. No issues with mine as expected.

EDIT: Nope.. it was the same 74C. No issues here.

Coretemp shows 122W when crunching MT.

 

[8BitZ80]

sure hold on few moments and I get it up and running and here ya go

as you can see from the screenshot CPU temps and Package power are 77°c and 130W

How do you get HWInfo64 to show wattage? I guess the current version isn't updated for Zen 3 yet.

Also something odd I've noticed with running benchmarks this morning is that my maximum temperatures are 10C lower than what I was reporting yesterday. Not sure why. Ambient temps haven't changed much.

According to CoreTemp my CPU package is using around 105 watts in Cinebench R20, which drops down to 17 watts at idle:

EDIT: I ran Cinebench R20 again and now the max temperature is back up at 89C and running 4,415MHz all cores. I guess it's a Precision Boost thing that kicks in randomly and increases temperature by 10C.

 

[Reonu]

Any news on this? My 5800X arrives next week and I'm really nervous lol. I hope I get a good one.

 

[ratirt]

EDIT: I ran Cinebench R20 again and now the max temperature is back up at 89C and running 4,415MHz all cores. I guess it's a Precision Boost thing that kicks in randomly and increases temperature by 10C.

That 89c is it a die or package temp? You can always double check the thermal paste and if you used the one that comes with the cooler, you can always replace it with something with better performance like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.
Here is something for reference.

 

[Zach_01]

That 89c is it a die or package temp? You can always double check the thermal paste and if you used the one that comes with the cooler, you can always replace it with something with better performance like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.
Here is something for reference.

There is no package temp in ZEN2/3. All temps is die from different locations and/or averages.
You can see them on HWiNFO.

1. CPU (Tctl/Tdie)
2. CPU Die (average)
3. CPU CCD1 (Tdie)

=

1. Hotspot (absolute max) switching between all sensors.
2. Avg of all sensors
3. 1 sensor from a specific location.

 

[mtcn77]

Nobody with a 3700x needs an 'x5800', they are made in the same process node.

 

[ratirt]

Nobody with a 3700x needs an 'x5800', they are made in the same process node.

There is a difference in performance between the two despite process node.

There is no package temp in ZEN2/3. All temps is die from different locations and/or averages.
You can see them on HWiNFO.

1. CPU (Tctl/Tdie)
2. CPU Die (average)
3. CPU CCD1 (Tdie)

=

1. Hotspot (absolute max) switching between all sensors.
2. Avg of all sensors
3. 1 sensor from a specific location.

You are right. Not sure what I been thinking here

 

[mtcn77]

There is a difference in performance between the two despite process node.

Yeah, so why pay 36% for just 8%? It is not a requirement.

 

[Dux]

I did a 10 minute run with new cinebench R23 on my 5900X. Everything on default. You can see the temperatures and voltages. Also tried later setting 4.6GHz in Ryzen master and core vltage to 1.325V. Completed the full run of 18 passes in just over 10 minutes, but then temparatures rised to almost 90 celsius.

 

[ratirt]

Yeah, so why pay 36% for just 8%? It is not a requirement.

You mean 36% more cash for just 8% more performance I assume. I think there is a bigger performance gap than 8% between the 5800X and 3700X if you take into account the general performance difference. Individuals may find the 5800X still a good upgrade depending on their needs and what they are going to use this CPU for.
My answer here would be.
There are people who will find 5800X CPU upgrade worth the money due to what they will be doing with it.
Others will just buy it because it is a new processor and they have actually no idea what the performance difference in the applications they are using will be.
I'm sure there are also people, like you, who find the upgrade from 3700X to 5800X pointless, because there will be no difference in performance (or negligible performance improvement) for whatever they want to use the CPU for. One example here might be playing at 4k. Absolutely no difference between 3700X and 5800X.
So, self-evaluation if the upgrade is worth the money.
To be honest, I'm thinking about upgrading my 2700X to 5900X and since I will play 4K anyway maybe the upgrade to 5000 series is pointless for me as well. On the other hand 5000Series offer this SAM technology that boosts the GPU performance for the 6000 series GPUs, so it may turn out to be worth upgrading anyway. Either way, I'm still waiting for reviews and I will make a decision after evaluating every aspect of the upgrade and performance gains and decide whether I will go 5000 series or not.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Yeah, so why pay 36% for just 8%? It is not a requirement.

What's the point in upgrading to a new version of a cell phone for every release that comes out?
To me, none. It's stupid and a waste.
To others, they simply cannot live without having the latest and greatest.

If folks want to upgrade from a solid CPU to another solid CPU that offers a small performance boost, that's their prerogative.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

What's the point in upgrading to a new version of a cell phone for every release that comes out?
To me, none. It's stupid and a waste.
To others, they simply cannot live without having the latest and greatest.

If folks want to upgrade from a solid CPU to another solid CPU that offers a small performance boost, that's their purgative.

Some people have money to piss up the wall

 

[Dux]

Some people have money to piss up the wall

I upgraded from R5 3600 to R9 5900X because of rendering. If i used my PC only for gaming, i wouldn't even consider "upgrading" to ZEN 3. If you look at performance numbers in TPU 5900X review, gaming gains from R5 3600 to R9 5900X are really minor. So if anyone is thinkin of upgrading fromZEN 2 to ZEN 3 just for gaming...don't do it. Unless you really have money to burn.

 

[Chrispy_]

I upgraded from R5 3600 to R9 5900X because of rendering. If i used my PC only for gaming, i wouldn't even consider "upgrading" to ZEN 3. If you look at performance numbers in TPU 5900X review, gaming gains from R5 3600 to R9 5900X are really minor. So if anyone is thinkin of upgrading fromZEN 2 to ZEN 3 just for gaming...don't do it. Unless you really have money to burn.

Yeah, the number of games that aren't GPU-limited is tiny - it's important to remember than very few people actually game on 360Hz monitors. 1440p@144Hz is about the most demanding you'll get and even then a stock i5 or 3600 will allow the GPU to get close to its limits except in a few rare exceptions.

 

[Zach_01]

How do you get HWInfo64 to show wattage? I guess the current version isn't updated for Zen 3 yet.

Also something odd I've noticed with running benchmarks this morning is that my maximum temperatures are 10C lower than what I was reporting yesterday. Not sure why. Ambient temps haven't changed much.

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According to CoreTemp my CPU package is using around 105 watts in Cinebench R20, which drops down to 17 watts at idle:

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EDIT: I ran Cinebench R20 again and now the max temperature is back up at 89C and running 4,415MHz all cores. I guess it's a Precision Boost thing that kicks in randomly and increases temperature by 10C.

About power consumption get the latest beta version, it could be a bug.

Asus X570-P / Ryzen 5950X Missing Wattage

I've got an Asus X570-P (BIOS 2812) with a Ryzen 5950X. I noticed that when I run HWInf0 (4.34) I don't see any power draw under the CPU. I have cleared all preferences and reinstalled HWI to make sure that I haven't hid anything.

www.hwinfo.com

You can find here:

Announcements

Important announcements, new releases

www.hwinfo.com

Can you please give us the value (%) of "Power Reporting Deviation (Accuracy)" along with "CPU PPT" when you run R20 MultiT? After you update to latest and having the "CPU PPT" sensor.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I upgraded from R5 3600 to R9 5900X because of rendering. If i used my PC only for gaming, i wouldn't even consider "upgrading" to ZEN 3. If you look at performance numbers in TPU 5900X review, gaming gains from R5 3600 to R9 5900X are really minor. So if anyone is thinkin of upgrading fromZEN 2 to ZEN 3 just for gaming...don't do it. Unless you really have money to burn.

There is a certain number of people that I think get off on having a really expensive PC they do fuck all with apart from browse and post how much better than anyone elses it is. iirc there was certainly a certain amount on TPU that would almost certainly upgrade to the newest GPU and CPU even buying new motherboards too, even if it was a almost pointless waste of money. I don't know if TPU still has a population of these people or not, but there certainly is a certain amount bawling because they cant get new Nvidia GPU's or AMD CPU's. I wonder if these people are doing the upgrades because they need them or because they are like i said with money to piss up the wall.

 

[8BitZ80]

I upgraded from R5 3600 to R9 5900X because of rendering. If i used my PC only for gaming, i wouldn't even consider "upgrading" to ZEN 3. If you look at performance numbers in TPU 5900X review, gaming gains from R5 3600 to R9 5900X are really minor. So if anyone is thinkin of upgrading fromZEN 2 to ZEN 3 just for gaming...don't do it. Unless you really have money to burn.

When I upgraded from a 3100 to 5600x the biggest performance difference was in Minecraft, believe it or not. Especially modded. I saw a 63% increase in average FPS in a modpack thats highly single threaded (only 2 threads active) in a saved world that I've spent five years building out. It went from struggling to hit 60fps to a buttery smooth 100fps. Lots of IPC and unified cache are a godsend because the game optimisation is completely laughable.

Obviously I'm GPU limited in most cases by the GTX 1060, but the point is that Zen 3 makes a big difference in CPU-limited scenarios that demand IPC.

About power consumption get the latest beta version, it could be a bug.

Asus X570-P / Ryzen 5950X Missing Wattage

I've got an Asus X570-P (BIOS 2812) with a Ryzen 5950X. I noticed that when I run HWInf0 (4.34) I don't see any power draw under the CPU. I have cleared all preferences and reinstalled HWI to make sure that I haven't hid anything.

www.hwinfo.com

You can find here:

Announcements

Important announcements, new releases

www.hwinfo.com

Can you please give us the value (%) of "Power Reporting Deviation (Accuracy)" along with "CPU PPT" when you run R20 MultiT? After you update to latest and having the "CPU PPT" sensor.

Interesting, I'll see if I can download the beta then.

UPDATE: @Zach_01 I got the new results with wattage readings:

 

[Glaceon]

According to Robert Hallock, Zen 3 is intended to get that hot:

"Yes. I want to be clear with everyone that AMD views temps up to 90C (5800X/5900X/5950X) and 95C (5600X) as typical and by design for full load conditions. Having a higher maximum temperature supported by the silicon and firmware allows the CPU to pursue higher and longer boost performance before the algorithm pulls back for thermal reasons.

Is it the same as Zen 2 or our competitor? No. But that doesn't mean something is "wrong." These parts are running exactly as-designed, producing the performance results we intend."

5800X is hotter than 5600X and 5900X due to 8 cores on a single CCX unlike the other two CPUs.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

According to Robert Hallock, Zen 3 is intended to get that hot:

"Yes. I want to be clear with everyone that AMD views temps up to 90C (5800X/5900X/5950X) and 95C (5600X) as typical and by design for full load conditions. Having a higher maximum temperature supported by the silicon and firmware allows the CPU to pursue higher and longer boost performance before the algorithm pulls back for thermal reasons.

Is it the same as Zen 2 or our competitor? No. But that doesn't mean something is "wrong." These parts are running exactly as-designed, producing the performance results we intend."

5800X is hotter than 5600X and 5900X due to 8 cores on a single CCX unlike the other two CPUs.

so basically Zen 3 requires better cooler

 

[ratirt]

so basically Zen 3 requires better cooler

It doesn't that's what the dude said. He explained why the temps are higher, why they have decided these to go higher and why it is safe.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

It doesn't that's what the dude said. He explained why the temps are higher, why they have decided these to go higher and why it is safe.

Well i am pretty sure if my cpu was going up to 90c with my cooler, i would get a better one, even if it is apparently ok. Just because the guy said it is ok, does not mean everyone with a ryzen is going to allow it, otherwise why does everyone with one not just use the stock cooler>

 

[ratirt]

Well i am pretty sure if my cpu was going up to 90c with my cooler, i would get a better one, even if it is apparently ok. Just because the guy said it is ok, does not mean everyone with a ryzen is going to allow it, otherwise why does everyone with one not just use the stock cooler>

You can get a better one but it's not going to harm your CPU nor anything if it does get to 90c. I have a liquid on my CPU because I don't like high temps but others can be ok with what they get and since it is fine they may keep it that way.

 

[8BitZ80]

That 89c is it a die or package temp? You can always double check the thermal paste and if you used the one that comes with the cooler, you can always replace it with something with better performance like Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.
Here is something for reference.

That should be the die temperature (Tdie). I don't have any software right now that can read Zen 3 temperatures on a per-core basis, so I'm just stuck with that for now.

Currently I'm using GD900 as my thermal paste of choice and it has worked well over the last year. I had a few goes at pasting the 5600X to make sure I got it right. I re-pasted my GTX 1060 with it and the temperatures have been great, so I haven't bothered to invest in a different thermal paste since.

 

[ratirt]

That should be the die temperature (Tdie). I don't have any software right now that can read Zen 3 temperatures on a per-core basis, so I'm just stuck with that for now.

Currently I'm using GD900 as my thermal paste of choice and it has worked well over the last year. I had a few goes at pasting the 5600X to make sure I got it right. I re-pasted my GTX 1060 with it and the temperatures have been great, so I haven't bothered to invest in a different thermal paste since.

To be honest, there were tests showing what the difference among variety of thermal compound is. Maybe you can look into that to see if there is a difference between your and a higher quality one. I'm always using the thermal grizzly. The reviews for the 5000 series ryzen showed that the temps are basically what the 3000 series Ryzens were reporting except for the 5800X. That one was always a tad higher. Are you absolutely sure the thermal paste sits well on the CPU? Maybe you should double check. I'd start with this just to make sure.
BTW. Did you try to lower the Vcore? Set it up manually? The Vcore is damn high for the 5800X. Try lowering it and see if the CPU is stable then measure the temps.

 

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