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Lots of 5800X3D available in my area of the US. Fewer 5700X3D in stock, probably because they are such a good price.

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Value mostly wins over performance especially when they are essentially the same chip. $100 is a very compelling reason to get the 5700X3D.
 
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I just upgraded from a 3600X and 5700XT system to one with a 5700X3D and 7800XT. The step up in gaming performance is noticeable from the 3XXX line and the 4080 will perform even better than the 7800XT. Honestly, it's a great chip to extend your AM4 parts just a bit longer before a new system build.
 

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I just upgraded from a 3600X and 5700XT system to one with a 5700X3D and 7800XT. The step up in gaming performance is noticeable

How much in exact values?
 
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How much in exact values?
I'm not one to benchmark so I can't give exact values, just share my experience. Which is much smoother game play and shorter load times.
 
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Well, I just put in an order for a 5700X3D. Amazon DE had it for 217€. That's over 100€ less than I would have had to pay for the cheapest offer on a 5800X3D here in Denmark.
I'd consider just going with a newer platform. 245€ is a lot for something that old. Consider the rest of the system too, your DDR4 2666 MHz may even bottleneck you. Might be a good time to go to DDR5 and 7800X3D. Some really good modern options right now from both brands.

I looked into 5800X3D and at the time I looked at it, my 12900KS was the same price ($450)...
Upgrading the platform would've meant getting a new AM5 motherboard (with guaranteed ECC support), 64 GB ECC memory (wouldn't downgrade that) and of course a new AM5 CPU (probably the 7800X3D). That would set me back about 1000€, roughly 5x what the 5700X3D costs me, and that's just too much.

Now, the big question is if I should reuse my motherboard or go with the "spare" I got cheap on BF 2020, an ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming WiFi. I'm in two minds about that, since there are known issues with that board , whereas my Prime-X470 Pro just has been rock solid.
 
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So are you saying the board has known issues in general or your specific B550 board has issues?


Congrats on the 5700X3D.
 
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So are you saying the board has known issues in general or your specific B550 board has issues?


Congrats on the 5700X3D.
Well, there is that general bug with the Intel I225-V Ethernet chip, and my board is definitely affected considering when I bought it. Apparently, the bug mostly comes into play when using speeds above 1 Gb/s, which shouldn't be an issue here since I only have 1 Gb/s on the LAN side. But you never know...

As far as I recall there were also some other issues. No idea, if they were successfully fixed by BIOS/AGESA updates.
 
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Well, there is that general bug with the Intel I225-V Ethernet chip, and my board is definitely affected considering when I bought it. Apparently, the bug mostly comes into play when using speeds above 1 Gb/s, which shouldn't be an issue here since I only have 1 Gb/s on the LAN side. But you never know...

As far as I recall there were also some other issues. No idea, if they were successfully fixed by BIOS/AGESA updates.

I'd at least give it a try maybe a driver/bios update has fixed if since.... I have a couple boards with that 2.5Gbps chip and they are more than fine.

1300/1300Mbps Up/down
 

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I'm not one to benchmark so I can't give exact values, just share my experience. Which is much smoother game play and shorter load times.

You could run Fraps and see what the current frame rates are.
 

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There seems to be a trend, at least here in Denmark, that the 5800X3D is becoming harder to get and also relatively much more expensive than other Ryzen 5000 series processors. In Germany, where I also look at the availability and prices, the situation seems a bit more relaxed, but also there the prices are rising.

I guess that means that the stock of 5800X3Ds is slowly getting depleted. The 5700X3D is still readily available and also quite affordable, but coming from a 3800X I don't think that upgrade is quite worth it. Unless someone can change my mind. :)

What's the situation like in other parts of the world?
5800 is 5700fyi.

A 5800 or 5700 is a justifiable upgrade
 

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For games they ( AM4 X3D) is ok, depending on your res, but for everything else they just get slaughtered due to low clocks.
 
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For games they ( AM4 X3D) is ok, depending on your res, but for everything else they just get slaughtered due to low clocks.

Most people only game and watch YouTube on their pc even the ones that complain about MT performance on the X3D chips.

The 5000X3D chips can still be 20-30% faster than vanilla 5000 in games so the tradeoff is worth it honestly 5000 hasn't aged well other than the X3D chips for gaming even a 7600 obliterates my 5950X just one generation later.

All the current high core count decent gaming chips are annoying.

14700k/14900k/7900X3D/7950X3D

They all need process lasso to not get confused in some apps and with the AMD side a lot of hoops on top of that. Most people are not going to want to deal with that and just get somthing you can slot in and forget about.

Most of it is just windows being windows but that's the current reality of HCC chips that are also good at gaming.
 
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For games they ( AM4 X3D) is ok, depending on your res, but for everything else they just get slaughtered due to low clocks.
I know, and that has been a dilemma for me. For the longest time I couldn't decide between the 5900X and the 5800X3D. What did win me over with regard to the latter was the single CCD and the huge L3 cache helping with memory access (ECC RAM is always slower than regular RAM).

As for which resolution I game at it's currently 2560 x 1440. At some point I will get a 4K monitor, but when that time comes I'll probably also upgrade the platform.
 
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I know, and that has been a dilemma for me. For the longest time I couldn't decide between the 5900X and the 5800X3D. What did win me over with regard to the latter was the single CCD and the huge L3 cache helping with memory access (ECC RAM is always slower than regular RAM).

As for which resolution I game at it's currently 2560 x 1440. At some point I will get a 4K monitor, but when that time comes I'll probably also upgrade the platform.

A 5900X with slow ram is gonna be a bad day even with tunned Bdie it isn't coming close to an X3D chip in gaming.

If that was the route you wanted to go waiting for 7000 to be really cheap would be the better play.

If you start gaming at 4k cpu will still be important just less so and trying to keep up on the gpu side with how prices on them are going is gonna command the majority of your resources DLSS/FSR can only help so much
 
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Well, there is that general bug with the Intel I225-V Ethernet chip, and my board is definitely affected considering when I bought it.
I had my share of issues with it, too, even on just a 1 Gb/s connection.

There were three revisions of that NIC, and all of them were problematic, but it was worse the older it was. I had the middle one. It was prone to some disconnects early on, and Windows Update was aggressive on pushing driver updates for it (in retrospect, no wonder). Later on, those disconnect issues disappeared, but I still had a consistent issue where whenever I hosted a Minecraft instance from that PC (this could either through single player and using the open to LAN option, or hosting an actual server), then the entire network connection would collapse when another player connected (if it was via open to LAN, it was random when it happened, and if it was a true server, it was instant). Testing using the WiFi or the PC, or various older PCs, were free of the issue. Like, it was wild. Imagine hosting a LAN game and as another player connects to your PC, your NIC decides "I'm going home" and your entire PC loses internet access until you restart the PC. I've almost never heard of that. Unfortunately, no amount of suggested fixes to try in the NIC properties helped one bit.

Looking it up, I eventually found others with different motherboards having the same issue with that game doing that, and they had that NIC in common (the motherboard could vary so it wasn't specific to one motherboard). Those who added a separate dedicated NIC reported success. It became clear what the problem was.

It was bad enough that when I had another issue with that motherboard, I decided to just buy another motherboard, and with a Realtek NIC, instead of waiting on the RMA. It wasn't solely because of this, but it was definitely part of it.

Funny enough the successor I226-V apparently had its share of issues as well. I'll probably be avoiding Intel NICs on my upcoming motherboard purchase after that since it's been too soon. The irony of moving to an AMD platform and the Intel NIC exacts revenge on you!
For games they ( AM4 X3D) is ok, depending on your res, but for everything else they just get slaughtered due to low clocks.
Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? Outside of games, the difference between the X3D model and the non-X3D counterpart it is based upon is going to be measurable at best, but imperceptible to blindly tell apart in real world use. Contrasted to the difference in gaming, which is larger and far more likely to be felt blindly.

You're basically trading off ~5% "general performance" to move up a whole generation worth in gaming performance. It's a net advantage (you simply wouldn't pay the cost for that difference if you were only doing general tasks that won't benefit from the cache), and that small of a difference is not enough to make it unusable in general tasks. Unless the bare minimum for general tasks is "the fastest that exists", then I don't get why people keep saying this?
 
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You're basically trading off ~5% "general performance" to move up a whole generation worth in gaming performance. It's a net advantage (you simply wouldn't pay the cost for that difference if you were only doing general tasks that won't benefit from the cache), and that small of a difference is not enough to make it unusable in general tasks. Unless the bare minimum for general tasks is "the fastest that exists", then I don't get why people keep saying this?

I get what he is saying I just don't think it applies to most me and him maybe though.

I hated the 7800X3D and most would love it.
I like the 7950X3D much better even with it's headaches.

But I'm definitely the minority.
 
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A 5900X with slow ram is gonna be a bad day even with tunned Bdie it isn't coming close to an X3D chip in gaming.

If that was the route you wanted to go waiting for 7000 to be really cheap would be the better play.

If you start gaming at 4k cpu will still be important just less so and trying to keep up on the gpu side with how prices on them are going is gonna command the majority of your resources DLSS/FSR can only help so much
The thing is, I'm not just gaming on my PC. I'm also developing software (C++). Hence my interest in the 5900X. Especially since at that point both the 5900X and the 5800X3D cost the same.
 
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The thing is, I'm not just gaming on my PC. I'm also developing software (C++). Hence my interest in the 5900X. Especially since at that point both the 5900X and the 5800X3D cost the same.

I figured and why I mentioned saving up for a 7900X would probably be the better play the 5000 non 3D chips can't even maintain 40fps in some games sure they are outliers... honestly AMD should have just made the 5900XT with Vcache would be a nice last hurrah for the platform instead of milking the non-vcache chips to death.
 
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I figured and why I mentioned saving up for a 7900X would probably be the better play the 5000 non 3D chips can't even maintain 40fps in some games sure they are outliers... honestly AMD should have just made the 5900XT with Vcache would be a nice last hurrah for the platform instead of milking the non-vcache chips to death.
To be honest, I want to use that RTX 4080. I've had it for 6 months now. Costs on upgrading to AM5 will probably not go down significantly until next year, if that.
 

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Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration? Outside of games, the difference between the X3D model and the non-X3D counterpart it is based upon is going to be measurable at best, but imperceptible to blindly tell apart in real world use. Contrasted to the difference in gaming, which is larger and far more likely to be felt blindly.
I dunno..

But there is a big difference between 4450MHz of the X3D, and 5050MHz for the X. You wouldn't notice more than half a GHz? To me there is more to computers than just playing games.
 
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I dunno..

But there is a big difference between 4450MHz of the X3D, and 5050MHz for the X. You wouldn't notice more than half a GHz? To me there is more to computers than just playing games.

Maybe those with a X3D spend more than 50% of use gaming, shrug
 

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Cooling Thermalright Frozen Edge 360, 3x TL-B12 V2, 2x TL-B12 V1
Memory 2x8 G.Skill Trident Z Royal 3200C14, 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z Black and White 3200 C14
Video Card(s) Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC
Storage WD SN850 1TB, SN850X 2TB, SN770 1TB
Display(s) LG 50UP7100
Case Fractal Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s) JBL Bar 700
Power Supply Seasonic Vertex GX-1000, Monster HDP1800
Mouse Logitech G502 Hero
Keyboard Logitech G213
VR HMD Oculus 3
Software Yes
Benchmark Scores Yes

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
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Location
Republic of Texas (True Patriot)
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
The thing is, I'm not just gaming on my PC. I'm also developing software (C++). Hence my interest in the 5900X. Especially since at that point both the 5900X and the 5800X3D cost the same.
Go 5950 or w/e it is now. X3D chips were deved soley for gaming, since you do both get the best 5000 series part and call it a day.
 
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