Ryzen 9 3950X reviews are live!

[yotano211]

Thats not how PCI-e works. 1 PCI-e lane means 1 truck. PCI-e 4 has bigger truck than PCI-e 3. You cant cut a truck half and expect it functioning.

Can you cut a truck in half and still work, thats why there are 1/2 ton trucks.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Can you cut a truck in half and still work, thats why there are 1/2 ton trucks.

lol, you only cut the weight capacity in half? So it takes 2 cycles instead of one to complete a task. That's a considerable difference.

 

[yotano211]

lol, you only cut the weight capacity in half? So it takes 2 cycles instead of one to complete a task. That's a considerable difference.

Theres also 1/4 ton trucks and those ISIS trucks

 

[John Naylor]

I wouldn't be surprised if they picked the reviewer CPUs out of a huge sample size, which could explain why so few samples

My guess is they don't like the test you run. For my own and for the users we build for, basically, we look at :

- Gaming Performance ... AMD hasn't won any of these yet
- Adobe Photoshop and Premiere Performance ... the $750 3950X edges Intel's $450 CPU by a 8% in premiere.... For $300, worthwhile in a proiduction shop, but not for the hobbyist. Then again in a production shop your well up into 3 fiures with your CPU budget
- AutoCAD performance - Haven't seen yet
- Office Suites - usually they split these but the differences are too small for a human to observe.

I don't care how fast it does [insert all the things we don't ever do, do once in a build's lifetime or benchmarks] because that's not how we make a living and it's not how we spend our spare time. I can not fathom why performance in benchmarks, scientific apps, one time uses is relavent to chooisng a CPU that you gonna keep for 4 years.

I can't even look at the yootoobers ... how there's guys get views amazes me ...I mean Jay drilled thru a MoBo to mount a cooler ruining a $400 MB ... GN, Linix. no thanks. If you are not intelligent enough to put your thoughts together in text ... not interested.

Desktop King ? What % of desktop users actually have the apps that will actually show a ROI here ? It's a very impressive CPU with but with very, very small market niche. Too much money for too little gain for the hobbyist and not enough for the production shop.

 

[W1zzard]

AutoCAD performance

Do you have experience using AutoCAD in a professional space? Would you be willing to share what's worth testing, possibly with test files?

Also, anyone doing FEM simulation or similar?

 

[phill]

But we are discussing a situation where an air cooler is fine. I'm not sure if it's $50 or $100 at this point - we'll need way more tests on retail parts - not just cherry-picked samples sent to reviewers.

This is what I said: if a $50 cooler works (doesn't limit performance), why get something more robust?
There are multiple decent reasons: upgrade plans, living in extreme conditions, SFF build (i.e. a big tower cooler won't fit).
But a statement like yours instantly suggests snobism / elitism. If that's it - well... just admit it and lets move on.

I'll put it this way, unless my PC's are crunching, are a server, built for the misses or daughters, everything else is water cooled because I want to push it beyond it's stock abilities I'd do the same with that CPU if I could afford one right now. This is why my 5960X used to run at 4.60Ghz 24/7, because it was water cooled.. I never even tried it under air cooling... Even on hot days during the summer I'm not sure an air cooler would handle it so well at 4.20Ghz as it runs now (cruncher also as a gaming rig). I have personal limits of what I will run CPUs at, so temps being one of them, I'll water cool it.
Air cooling has it's place, but with that sort of CPU I wouldn't believe air was enough..

Call it whatever you want. If I spend that amount of money, I'd like the best from it regardless of what cooling it means (unless it's sub zero then it's not useful to most foke....)

 

[Tomgang]

I asked before if any one has seen a review of 3950X with a good air cooler and I have found one where they used a Noctua NH-D15 in a single fan configuration and they manage to overclock it to 4.375 ghz all core at 1.375 volts with temp hovering around 98 degrees Celsius I assume. Not to shappy if you ask me on a cpu recommended for water cooling and given they only used one fan, temperature cut be lowered even more with a second fan mounted on this dual tower cooler.

Heck given the results of this review and the experience I have had with my current cooling setup for my I7 980x, I think with my planed cooling setup, I cut get temp below 90 degrees Celsius with the same clocks and voltage. I am planning to use a Noctua NH-D15 chromax black and replace the two original fans with 2 or Mayne 3 of noctua industrial IPPC 120 mm 3000 rpm fans that I already own and use Thermal Grizzly kryonaut paste. I tested temp difference with the stock fans on noctua NH-D14 I have now and with IPPC fans and thermal grizzly kryonaut paste in sted and that lovered temp by 8 to 10 degrees Celsius on my I7 980x at a 4.4 ghz oc and the same voltage. Temp lovered from around 85 degrees Celsius on hottest core to 75-77 degrees Celsius on hottest core with a noise penalty off cause. But I can live with that and hence why I will do this again as temp got a significant amount lower than with stock fans. Also as I said before, I am not in the the water cooling area cause of price specially for custom loops, more maintenance needed for water cooling, parts has to be replaced more often, more parts to fail and the risk of leaking water. I want good cooling that are not to expensive, but more importantly more reliable, less things to go wrong and less maintenance needed and air cooling fits that part way better.

Review can be read here for those interested.

https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/136391-amd-ryzen-9-3950x/

 

[HD64G]

I would easily suggest a twin-tower air cooler (i.e. the Skythe Fuma 2) for any Ryzen CPU as they consume up to 150-160W maximum on stock settings. For oc though, one might need a custom wc setup depending on the silicon quality of the chip.

 

[phill]

One of the first reviews I'd read of it and makes me drool after one even more!! That said, AMD is now king of the hill for me..

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Puget Systems has a bunch of application specific benchmarks up, and they also included the 16 core Intel Core i9 9960X.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/all_articles.php?filter[]=Processors

For those wondering what niche this CPU fills, may I suggest the pro-amateur. In the past, these people had the choice of a $300+ CPU with a 64 GB limit or jumping to a $2000 CPU.

 

[Zach_01]

Here are my thoughts about the whole cooling subject...

First of all I have an AIO water cooler, the H110i 280mm (pump 2300+ or 2800+rpm, fans 500~2200rpm) which I purchase 130€ about 3 years ago. This was for my previous setup with a FX8370 OCed to 4.6GHz (close to 200W if not over). And now is on the current system with Ryzen 3600 stock. I’ve set a custom curve so the 2x140mm working from 900 to 1400rpm with quiet low noise level. Pump speed always at silent (2300+rpm) Ambient about 26~28C and no case.

The CPU at idle/light stays under 40C avg at about 50C when gaming and low-middle 60 at stress test. And I’m talking about the hot-spot.
Water temp 27~29C (ambient+1C) at idle/light and 29~31C for gaming/stress test.

Is it better than a top tower air cooler cost half, or even less than half that 130€?
Well for me there is no straight answer. It depends from the setup, and what you are looking for.
If best cooling (AIO vs Air) is the only goal and want to keep it stock without OC, excluding noise levels then the AIO is not worth paying double. If you consider noise levels the scale is going a little more to AIO side but still. One of the benefits of AIO is the significant larger surface area if we are talking for 280~360mm meaning more airflow or the same with lower rpm(lower noise).

You have to consider also the case and the general air flow of a system. Usually those on-line tests are taking place outside of a case and do not represent real life.
Both systems out of case in 22C environment senario diminishes the whatever benefits of a large AIO over Air cooling.
When inside the case the air cooler has only 1 place that can be, and the AIO rad can be put in few different places and with 2 different configurations (push or pull). You can even place the rad outside of a case if you want with a little case modding.

I can acknowledge that purchasing an AIO is premium paying for a few or none benefits depending the senario.
It all comes down to personal preference... will to pay this premium over Air... and considering all aspects of usage like cases/no cases, ambient temps (winter/summer), overclocking or not... etc...

If I haven’t already own the AIO probably I would have gone with a ~50€ air cooler with the 3600 (I don’t like the stealth stock cooler), even if I had a 3700X/3800X, mostly because I don’t use cases and I don’t have to consider system air temp/flow.

If I was paying a 1000+€ CPU/MB combo then I would strongly consider to pay the premium of a large 280~360mm AIO. It makes sense to me personally.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Do you have experience using AutoCAD in a professional space? Would you be willing to share what's worth testing, possibly with test files?

Would love to see some AutoCAD benchmarks!

 

[biffzinker]

Ryzen 9 3950X on Good and Bad B450 Motherboards

As we anticipated when we reviewed AMD's new flagship 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X, rather than testing it on the very high-end Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme, we want...

www.techspot.com

Edit: I'm all set for a 3950X on this B450 Tomahawk.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ryzen 9 3950X on Good and Bad B450 Motherboards

As we anticipated when we reviewed AMD's new flagship 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X, rather than testing it on the very high-end Gigabyte X570 Aorus Xtreme, we want...

www.techspot.com

Edit: I'm all set for a 3950X on this B450 Tomahawk.

Unless you need the extra 4 cores, go with the 3900X.

 

[EarthDog]

**Also to put this into context, Hardware Unboxed tested the 3950x with the same all core overclock as the 3900x and when run this way the 3950x drew 30% more power. This puts it inline with it's extra 4 cores. Thus imo its not down to binning, its how they balanced their voltage vs core usage. Btw, the 3950x overclocks exactly like the 3900x in allcore overclocks, it's not anymore special... ie. 4.3ghz all core around 1.32v.

It's a combination of both. I'd bet good money says if they had enough of these ready a couple of months back, we would have seen them. Really, the whole ryzen lineup is around 4.2-4.3GHz with that voltage as ballpark. No matter what CPU, it seems like that voltage give or take .025 is about the limit for most ambient cooling solutions and where the clocks always end up.