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Haven't tested with Ryzen 9000 but here's couple of 4 dimms tests using a 7800x3d.

4 x16Gb 6000c30

2x16Gb + 2x24Gb 6200c36
For now I already ordered my KINGSTON FURY Renegade 6000MHz (Intel XMP) 96GB - KF560C32RSK2-96 (kit of 2)
But it is good to know it might be able to receive 2 more
Although my kit has double rank modules, are your RAM modules double rank as well?
 
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Two sticks is generally recommended over 4, but if a choice between capacity and speed, I would say capacity wins out, if you run out of RAM you feel it a lot, if you have RAM that isnt quite as fast, slightly worse timings, it may need a bench to see a difference.
 
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For now I already ordered my KINGSTON FURY Renegade 6000MHz (Intel XMP) 96GB - KF560C32RSK2-96 (kit of 2)
But it is good to know it might be able to receive 2 more
Although my kit has double rank modules, are your RAM modules double rank as well?
No they are SR.
 
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No they are SR.
I see, checked the description for the Ryzen 7800X3D
It says the same as for the 9950X
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7800X3D

So in the future I might try to upgrade to 4×48GB :D
 
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I see, checked the description for the Ryzen 7800X3D
It says the same as for the 9950X
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7800X3D

So in the future I might try to upgrade to 4×48GB :D
On one hand I think AMD has to lowball the expected numbers because of the incredible amount of compatibility variance but on the other hand I think they do that so RAM OC can still be a sales pitch.
I can do 2x2R at DDR5-6200 so I call that a win although I'm not so sure there is a meaningful difference from 5200 to 6200. If 4x2R can practically do DDR5-5200 that would be great.
 
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@A Computer Guy So AMD is "Scotty-ing" the numbers?
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You know, maybe I believe that - since the 3000 series also got "low" numbers for 4 DIMM operation, yet mine is working just fine for 3+ years with 4×32GB
 
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@A Computer Guy So AMD is "Scotty-ing" the numbers?
View attachment 364855
You know, maybe I believe that - since the 3000 series also got "low" numbers for 4 DIMM operation, yet mine is working just fine for 3+ years with 4×32GB
My 4x32 at DDR4-3200 is working as well (working with both Taichi and Taichi Razor) but it seems YMMV and can be hit or miss from this poll I had awhile back. To be fair launch of AM4 with DDR4 had a lot of issues especially with Corsair from what I remember although I didn't get into AM4 until Zen+ came along.

@A Computer Guy So AMD is "Scotty-ing" the numbers?
View attachment 364855
You know, maybe I believe that - since the 3000 series also got "low" numbers for 4 DIMM operation, yet mine is working just fine for 3+ years with 4×32GB
Mr. Scott ... set memory ranks to full! Aye captain, but I don't think she can take much more or the IMC circuits going to blow up.
 
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As others mentioned before, the realistic expectation for any R9 7950X or R9 9950X would be DDR5-6000 for 2x48GB. DRR5-6200 means you are lucky with your CPU's memory controller, and DDR5-6400 is pretty much winning the silicon lottery. I've seen some people posting ZenTimings screenshots of DDR5-6600 at some extreme overclocking sites, but w/o an intensive stress test, I've got my doubts.
Usually, you want to run MCLK:FCLK:UCLK in a 3:2:3 ratio for the lowest latency when going for 6000MT/s to 6400 MT/s. Slight FCLK overclocks, anything between 2000MHz and 2200MHz, should be fine as long as Vsoc is reasonable (1.15V - 1.2V), since the infinity fabric uses error correction and re-transmissions. There are a couple of ways to test fabric stability, and it seems the most popular way is to play music in the background while hammering their CPU's memory controller while stress testing with something like linpack.

Alternatively, you could try to run DDR5-8000, at a 2:1:1 ratio, but that means you need a good and quite expensive memory kit with 24Gb Hynix ICs, and a motherboard on an 8-layer PCB that ideally only comes with two DIMM slots to get there without much trouble. From what I've seen so far, R9 9950X is still a pain when it comes to DDR5-8000 on 4 DIMM slot boards, but unlike the 7950X, it might get there eventually according to AMD.
Keep in mind that DDR5-8000 should actually benefit much more on dual-CCD chips while running heavy workloads than what most folks test these setups for. A 7800X3D won't see much improvement in gaming, since it only has a single fabric link, compared to the two of a R9 9950X.

From my own experience, I run a couple of R9 7950Xs and R9 7950X3Ds, mostly with 96GB of DDR5-6200 actively cooled at manually tuned timings. Usually a 80mm or 92mm cooler strapped onto the back of the GPU is fine, but if you want a nicer look, you can get a Jonsbo NF-1 as well. All sticks are either Kingston or G.Skill and use 24Gb Hynix M-die. Everything is stress tested for about a week running a mix of FurMark plus a collection of the usual memory intensive workloads, e.g. Prime95 (large FFTs), y-cruncher N63 & VT3, linpack Xtreme, GSAT via WSL2, etc.
One 7950X boots DDR5-6400 easily, but it's sadly not stable. Another one won't even post at that speed... aka silicon lottery.

For 128GB, I was able to run DDR5-5600 on a B650E Aorus Master on XMP/EXPO profile #2 with two pairs of Kingston DDR5-6000 CL36 kits out of the box. Those kits are Hynix A-die and easily clock to DDR5-6200 as well. Since that is my main editing machine (DaVinci Resolve, Twinmotion, UE4 & UE5), I switched them out for 96GB for the faster speed. However, with a current AGESA, it should be possible to run those 4x 32GB sticks at a 4:3:4 ratio, which should give them a bit more throughput due to the slight FCLK overclock without increasing latency. Right now, I'm waiting for another 8-layer PCB motherboard to try the 128GB setup in one of my render nodes, where memory speed isn't that important, but I'm still curious about silicon variance of the same type of AMD CPU.
Maybe I'm just lucky and got some golden memory sticks, but 128GB seems to be possible at 4800MT/s out of the box on even a 6-layer PCB board like my MSI B650 Carbon WiFi with a mediocre CPU.

The general problem with quad-rank or 4 DIMM setups is heat dissipation. Those above-mentioned Fury Beast sticks come with thin heat spreaders that allow just enough air circulation between them. My 48GB Fury Renegade sticks come with thicker heat spreaders and almost touch each other in the 192GB config. My G.Skill Ripjaws S5 kits are better in that regard, but none of my boards like their XMP profile and the PMIC lacks a thermal pad, which means that those sticks require a very high tRFC of ~190ns compared to the ~160ns of the Kingston kits to avoid overheating.
If you don't manually tune your memory, you can just use XMP/EXPO profiles and set a longer refresh interval with a shorter refresh cycle as the easiest way to noticeably overclock DDR5. However, you should still stress test it, like any other overclock.
I'm struggling to properly configure my 64gb 6000MT's Dominator on X670E with a 7950X3D, would you be able to help/advise? Coming from Intel which I had fine tuned 8400mhz cl34 with very tight timings, I don't really understand the MCLK:FCLK:UCLK side of things and how to tune it. Thanks for any help.
 
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I'm struggling to properly configure my 64gb 6000MT's Dominator on X670E with a 7950X3D, would you be able to help/advise? Coming from Intel which I had fine tuned 8400mhz cl34 with very tight timings, I don't really understand the MCLK:FCLK:UCLK side of things and how to tune it. Thanks for any help.
I'd suggest creating a new thread for your questions that also includes a little more information about your specific hardware. While the TPU forums are always a bit messy, I get the feeling that giving in-depth hints and advice about your specific needs would derail this thread a bit too much.
 
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I'd suggest creating a new thread for your questions that also includes a little more information about your specific hardware. While the TPU forums are always a bit messy, I get the feeling that giving in-depth hints and advice about your specific needs would derail this thread a bit too much.
No problem, thanks for coming back to me.
 
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I don't see CUDIMM becoming supported until the next motherboard cycle on AMD.
 
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Not supported by AM5.
It is "supported" in bypass mode, meaning that you should still be able to get 256GB RAM to post (likely at low frequency).
 
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It is "supported" in bypass mode, meaning that you should still be able to get 256GB RAM to post (likely at low frequency).

Looks like CUDIMMs in bypass mode aren't really any different from regular UDIMMs so it's kind of pointless. Unless on Z890, better just buy a high frequency, low latency UDIMM kit.
 

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Looks like CUDIMMs in bypass mode aren't really any different from regular UDIMMs so it's kind of pointless. Unless on Z890, better just buy a high frequency, low latency UDIMM kit.
Correct. bypass mode is exactly the same as UDIMM. JEDEC did this for compatibility. Also Bypass is the default mode because during boot the CKD has to be enabled through some protocols. I also don't think CUDIMM will help for max capacity since the limitation here is the CPU IMC, not frequency.
 
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Looks like CUDIMMs in bypass mode aren't really any different from regular UDIMMs so it's kind of pointless. Unless on Z890, better just buy a high frequency, low latency UDIMM kit.
I'm well aware of that, but it's not pointless at all, the point is that this is the only 64GB UDIMM that has been made publicly available so far. If other (non-C)UDIMMs do appear, then it'd be great, but so far that's the only option for 256GB on consumer DDR5 platforms.
 

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I'm well aware of that, but it's not pointless at all, the point is that this is the only 64GB UDIMM that has been made publicly available so far. If other (non-C)UDIMMs do appear, then it'd be great, but so far that's the only option for 256GB on consumer DDR5 platforms.
Why would CUDIMM have exclusively higher capacity?
 
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