Ryzen benchmarking and overclocking results

-1nf1n1ty- · Mar 10, 2017

I have a question for anyone willing to answer. I have the Gigabyte board AX370 and I love it but my CPU cooler (hyper 212) can only be mounted where the fan is facing the top.....is that right?

phanbuey · Mar 10, 2017

-1nf1n1ty- said:
I have a question for anyone willing to answer. I have the Gigabyte board AX370 and I love it but my CPU cooler (hyper 212) can only be mounted where the fan is facing the top.....is that right?

EDITED... looks like it can go either way....

my waterblocks for intel usually go bot to top (flow wise, water in bottom exit top) but now its left to right... weirds me out a bit.

-1nf1n1ty- · Mar 10, 2017

phanbuey said:
EDITED... looks like it can go either way....

my waterblocks for intel usually go bot to top (flow wise, water in bottom exit top) but now its left to right... weirds me out a bit.

Thanks for the tip, so I guess I am able to have the cooler side ways? I just didn't see a way unless I missed it. Either way I'll try it again once Cryorig sends me the AM4 kit (bought it not too long ago I just have to wait now)

phanbuey · Mar 10, 2017

FM2 but same principle... there are am4 mounts out there too. you can go either way

-1nf1n1ty- · Mar 10, 2017

phanbuey said:
FM2 but same principle... there are am4 mounts out there too. you can go either way

So I guess I can turn it, but I guess I would have to use that "X" mounting bracket if I want it on it's side?

Dethroy · Mar 10, 2017

Just to get things straight...

R7 1800X all-core boost: 3.6GHz
R7 1700X all-core boost: 3.5GHz
R7 1700 all-core boost: 3.2GHz

right?

EarthDog · Mar 10, 2017

1800x has xfr... for all cores, that's up to 3.7. For 2c/4t up to 4.1.

Dethroy · Mar 10, 2017

EarthDog said:
1800x has xfr... for all cores, that's up to 3.7. For 2c/4t up to 4.1.

Got you. I dug a little deeper and seem to understand it now...

base clock = MACF (maximum all-core frequency)
boost clock = MSCF (maximum single-core frequency)
XFR extends those clocks → ACXFRC (all-core extended frequency range ceiling) & SCXFRC (single-core extended frequency range ceiling)

R7 1800X: MACF=3.6GHz | ACXFR=3.7GHz & MSCF=4.0GHz | SCXFRC=4.1GHz
R7 1700X: MACF=3.4GHz | ACXFR=3.5GHz & MSCF=3.8GHz | SCXFRC=3.9GHz
R7 1700: MACF=3.0GHz? | ACXFR=3.05GHz? & MSCF=3.7GHz | SCXFRC=3.75GHz (but it seems like the R7 1700 is running at 3.2GHz MACF)

EarthDog · Mar 10, 2017

Getting there.

Outside of the 3.7 xfr, the remaining boost is all 2c/4t.

cdawall · Mar 10, 2017

-1nf1n1ty- said:
I have a question for anyone willing to answer. I have the Gigabyte board AX370 and I love it but my CPU cooler (hyper 212) can only be mounted where the fan is facing the top.....is that right?

The current AM4 bracket will only allow you to do up and down with the fan the x bracket is not used with AM4.

Jhelms · Mar 10, 2017

phanbuey said:
Huge gains...
http://www.eteknix.com/memory-speed-large-impact-ryzen-performance/
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-me...latform-best-memory-kit-amd-ryzen-cpus_192259

I can see it on the 1800X from 2133 to 2400 ... but will post some screenies when the 3200mhz kit comes in.

I think its because the cache is too slow to keep the proc fed otherwise. Intel's current caching is so efficient that the ram speed is trivial.

This reminds me of back in the day when memory speed mattered lol.

Memory tuning feels like a lost art these days. However I have always spent the time to dial / tweak mem to perfection / hunt for the lowest latency chips - modules. Some may think it crazy, I think it makes a decent difference in system feel. I am loving how ryzen responds to better mem - tuning.

Kanan · Mar 10, 2017

Garage1217 said:
Memory tuning feels like a lost art these days. However I have always spent the time to dial / tweak mem to perfection / hunt for the lowest latency chips - modules. Some may think it crazy, I think it makes a decent difference in system feel. I am loving how ryzen responds to better mem - tuning.

It's back since Skylake anyway. Skylake gets a lot by going from 2400 to 3200 and even higher, it has endless scaling, but the sweetspot is about 3200-3600mhz. Even Haswell/Ivy/Sandy scale very well with higher ram speeds now, it's simply needed in newer apps/games.

EarthDog · Mar 10, 2017

The sweetspot is still 3000-3200 as far as price to performance. From what I've read, outside of a few titles, you really don't gain much over that (and even that is in select titles). The price on 3600+ KITS really doesn't give great returns.

r9 · Mar 10, 2017

Kanan said:
That's exactly what I meant.

Btw, here's a video from a software dev talking about Ryzen architecture in-depth, and what problems it has and how it's solvable:

Worth the time.

Like the guy on the Video said Ryzen quad cores should not be affected having only one CCX and one L3.
Can someone disable 4 cores and SMT to put the theory to the test ?

mroofie · Mar 10, 2017

phanbuey said:
Memory bandwith makes such a huge difference on this platform.... wondering if it's just because the cache is so much slower than on the intels that it is acting like a bottleneck... and the less you can keep the bottleneck waiting the faster the system responds.

Going to be putting some 3200Mhz c15 gskills in this weekend.

I am really curious why AMD didn't send 3200Mhz memory with their test kits.

Wouldn't lower latency ram work better?
Unless you meant cache bandwith? :oops:

phanbuey · Mar 10, 2017

mroofie said:
Wouldn't lower latency ram work better?
Unless you meant cache bandwith?

Latency is a product of speed and timings... so I kind of meant both - basically my guess is that faster memory has more of a direct impact (than say Intel chips) on the Ryzen's ability to process certain workloads (games) due to the relative inability of the cache to do its job (which is to compensate for slower operation of RAM and keep the processor fed) effectively.

RejZoR · Mar 11, 2017

So, if Ryzen had quad channel RAM, we'd see massive gains in general?

cadaveca · Mar 11, 2017

RejZoR said:
So, if Ryzen had quad channel RAM, we'd see massive gains in general?

Not necessarily, because some of the "problems" are related to cache. We need this "updated scheduler" before that can be answered properly.

RejZoR · Mar 11, 2017

Though the L1 cache bandwidth numbers are insane. I don't think I get 1TB/s on L1, like ever.

Kanan · Mar 11, 2017

RejZoR said:
So, if Ryzen had quad channel RAM, we'd see massive gains in general?

In part yes, but Dave is right, there are other limitations going on that aren't solvable through more Ram bandwidth.

cdawall · Mar 12, 2017

Hey favor to ask those of you that live near a Microcenter, can I get some pictures of the rigs they have built. I am trying to size up my competition.

EarthDog · Mar 15, 2017

RejZoR said:
So, if Ryzen had quad channel RAM, we'd see massive gains in general?

Doubtful...I'm sure there would be some increases...but, the isn't the main issue.

phanbuey · Mar 15, 2017

as dave said before the main issue is clock speeds... if they actually hit the 4.2-4.3 ghz and had slightly faster cache, it would address the gaming performance.

Tatty_Two · Mar 15, 2017

phanbuey said:
as dave said before the main issue is clock speeds... if they actually hit the 4.2-4.3 ghz and had slightly faster cache, it would address the gaming performance.

Have you managed to get some decent ram speeds now?

phanbuey · Mar 15, 2017

Tatty_One said:
Have you managed to get some decent ram speeds now?

Yeah single rank 3200Mhz works really well:

Trident Z kit from newegg shellshock deal...

Although the fact that the bus runs at 99.76 Mhz vs 100 makes the OCD inside of me nuts.

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Ryzen benchmarking and overclocking results

-1nf1n1ty-

phanbuey

-1nf1n1ty-

phanbuey

-1nf1n1ty-

Dethroy

EarthDog

Dethroy

EarthDog

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

Jhelms

Kanan

Tech Enthusiast & Gamer

EarthDog

r9

mroofie

phanbuey

RejZoR

cadaveca

My name is Dave

RejZoR

Kanan

Tech Enthusiast & Gamer

cdawall

where the hell are my stars

EarthDog

phanbuey

Tatty_Two

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phanbuey

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