Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[TheLostSwede]

When I get my Ryzen 5600X, my goal is to OC the core 0 and core 1 the highest it will go and leave everything else at stock. Is this a good plan? I am going to do a small to medium voltage bump since I will have a 360mm radiator AIO by then, my plan is to OC to core 0 to 4.6 or 4.7 or 4.8 and leave rest of cores at stock. so only two things I will change in BIOS will be voltage bump and core 0 frequency

is this a good plan or no? most of the games I play are single core usage only, so I only need to focus on core 0 and core 1 correct?

@TheLostSwede

This should allow you to do something like that in a better way.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1313494022237941761

 

[Space Lynx]

This should allow you to do something like that in a better way.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1313494022237941761

Won't I be able to push Core 0 higher if I don't mess with any of the other cores? and if most programs games auto read from Core 0 mostly? I'm just trying to learn I don't know

 

[tabascosauz]

Won't I be able to push Core 0 higher if I don't mess with any of the other cores? and if most programs games auto read from Core 0 mostly? I'm just trying to learn I don't know

Unless you're playing pretty ancient games (Project Reality BF2 would be the only example for me that's still around) that in the rare instance just refuse to listen to Windows (and in which case a 200MHz overclock would hardly matter anyway), the Windows scheduler interfaces with your Ryzen firmware to allocate lightly threaded loads to the best cores. Until you get your chip and check the CPPC2 data in BIOS or HWInfo you have no idea what the distribution of core quality is. For example in my case Core 5 and 7 can actually sustain close to 4.4GHz in effective clock, while Core 0 couldn't move past 4.28GHz even if you flogged it with 1.4V.

 

[Space Lynx]

Unless you're playing pretty ancient games (Project Reality BF2 would be the only example for me that's still around) that in the rare instance just refuse to listen to Windows (and in which case a 200MHz overclock would hardly matter anyway), the Windows scheduler interfaces with your Ryzen firmware to allocate lightly threaded loads to the best cores. Until you get your chip and check the CPPC2 data in BIOS or HWInfo you have no idea what the distribution of core quality is. For example in my case Core 5 and 7 can actually sustain close to 4.4GHz in effective clock, while Core 0 couldn't move past 4.28GHz even if you flogged it with 1.4V.

I understand now. Well I think what I will do is just set Windows 10 to Ryzen High Performance power balance, and let my CPU do its thing automatically. just not going to worry about it. Ryzen sort of killed overclocked sadly, I will miss the glory days of OC'ing 2500k. BUT it has been fun overclocking ram for the first time, so I will continue to enjoy that thanks to Ryzen

 

[stinger608]

Well, I guess I'd better jump in on this thread.
I've got a 3700X coming and it should be here on Thursday.

This will be my first experience with the Ryzen format and I'm looking forward to it.

I've currently got an AsRock AB350 Pro 4 board that I grabbed pretty reasonable from our own @Durvelle27 a couple of weeks ago.

Still after some DDR4 at a good price point

 

[Space Lynx]

Well, I guess I'd better jump in on this thread.
I've got a 3700X coming and it should be here on Thursday.

This will be my first experience with the Ryzen format and I'm looking forward to it.

I've currently got an AsRock AB350 Pro 4 board that I grabbed pretty reasonable from our own @Durvelle27 a couple of weeks ago.

Still after some DDR4 at a good price point

I was half tempted to get a 3700x myself this week, but I think for me since I only game, the two extra cores are not needed, I would benefit more from the IPC lifts and other changes made in 5600X

 

[Nordic]

I understand now. Well I think what I will do is just set Windows 10 to Ryzen High Performance power balance, and let my CPU do its thing automatically. just not going to worry about it. Ryzen sort of killed overclocked sadly, I will miss the glory days of OC'ing 2500k. BUT it has been fun overclocking ram for the first time, so I will continue to enjoy that thanks to Ryzen

Don't use the Ryzen High Performance plan. Use this. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/1usmus-custom-power-plan-for-ryzen-3000-zen-2-processors/

 

[Zach_01]

I understand now. Well I think what I will do is just set Windows 10 to Ryzen High Performance power balance, and let my CPU do its thing automatically. just not going to worry about it. Ryzen sort of killed overclocked sadly, I will miss the glory days of OC'ing 2500k. BUT it has been fun overclocking ram for the first time, so I will continue to enjoy that thanks to Ryzen

Best power plan for ZEN2 was/is 1usmus Universal PowerPlan v1.1
Finds the best cores and load them more in light/middle thread count and gaming.
We don’t know if the same applies to ZEN3, but keep it in mind.

I was half tempted to get a 3700x myself this week, but I think for me since I only game, the two extra cores are not needed, I would benefit more from the IPC lifts and other changes made in 5600X

And we will be pleasantly surprised if the 6 cores of 5600X are matching performance of the 8cores of 3700X.
I’m looking forward for reviews to see if this can be a thing.

 

[Space Lynx]

And we will be pleasantly surprised if the 6 cores of 5600X are matching performance of the 8cores of 3700X.
I’m looking forward for reviews to see if this can be a thing.

Buildzoid over at gamersnexus on his latest video already said a 5600x should beat a 3700x in everything across the board. even multithread synthetic benches. i just watched it on his youtube channel 'actually hardcore overclocking'

Best power plan for ZEN2 was/is 1usmus Universal PowerPlan v1.1
Finds the best cores and load them more in light/middle thread count and gaming.
We don’t know if the same applies to ZEN3, but keep it in mind.

yeah not using that power plan unless it gets updated and officially runs flawless with ZEN3

 

[Zach_01]

Buildzoid over at gamersnexus on his latest video already said a 5600x should beat a 3700x in everything across the board. even multithread synthetic benches. i just watched it on his youtube channel 'actually hardcore overclocking'

Haven’t seen that yet. That was my estimation by IPC and performance/watt improvements.
I know about buildzoid, I watched a lot of his content.

yeah not using that power plan unless it gets updated and officially runs flawless with ZEN3

Well, as weird as it may sounds, that power plan is more relevant for ZEN2 than any other Windows plan or even Ryzen specific plans. Nevertheless it can’t hurt the CPU even if it’s not really designed for it. And it’s something that you install and instantly see for your self if it does anything with the help of HWiNFO, as long as you know what to look for.
If ZEN3 is the same as ZEN2 in terms of core quality and clock difference, then it will probably work the same.

If I was acquiring a ZEN3 CPU I would give it a try as soon as possible, and all the others of course.

 

[Space Lynx]

Haven’t seen that yet. That was my estimation by IPC and performance/watt improvements.
I know about buildzoid, I watched a lot of his content.


Well, as weird as it may sounds, that power plan is more relevant for ZEN2 than any other Windows plan or even Ryzen specific plans. Nevertheless it can’t hurt the CPU even if it’s not really designed for it. And it’s something that you install and instantly see for your self if it does anything with the help of HWiNFO, as long as you know what to look for.
If ZEN3 is the same as ZEN2 in terms of core quality and clock difference, then it will probably work the same.

If I was acquiring a ZEN3 CPU I would give it a try as soon as possible, and all the others of course.

I'm really hoping ram max limits increase, currently ram is capped at 3800 1:1 infinifty fabric, and I bet with Zen 3 we will get to 4000-4200 range cap at 1:1.

I really hope I can take my b-die 2x16gb sticks currentl;y at 3600 cas 14-14-14 to say 4200 cas 19-20-20-20 at 1:1 or something like that. whatever dram calcuatlor for zen 3 recommends anyway! @1usmus zen 3 dram calculator by end of 2020! you can do it!!! we believe in you!!!

 

[INSTG8R]

Haven’t seen that yet. That was my estimation by IPC and performance/watt improvements.
I know about buildzoid, I watched a lot of his content.


Well, as weird as it may sounds, that power plan is more relevant for ZEN2 than any other Windows plan or even Ryzen specific plans. Nevertheless it can’t hurt the CPU even if it’s not really designed for it. And it’s something that you install and instantly see for your self if it does anything with the help of HWiNFO, as long as you know what to look for.
If ZEN3 is the same as ZEN2 in terms of core quality and clock difference, then it will probably work the same.

If I was acquiring a ZEN3 CPU I would give it a try as soon as possible, and all the others of course.

Thw powerplansins with the chipset drivers probably mirrors i hs
i initial attempts wIth AND ultimately knowing everything ireason not using AMDs plans. I use the=High Performance plan 1usmus plan was because the windows plans were just not right for Amd design. AMD provide a full sat ma ch more mature than a timely solution to use

 

[tabascosauz]

Thw powerplansins with the chipset drivers probably mirrors i hs
i initial attempts wIth AND ultimately knowing everything ireason not using AMDs plans. I use the=High Performance plan 1usmus plan was because the windows plans were just not right for Amd design. AMD provide a full sat ma ch more mature than a timely solution to use

Phone keyboard?

I used to use the Ryzen balanced and 1usmus plans but round about spring 2020 I found the Windows Balanced plan to be surprisingly near-indistinguishable from those two in benchmarks, but also clocking higher in effective clock in-game leading to a smoother experience. For me, once the other two plans caught up, 1usmus plan was all show and no go.

Been seeing more coverage of the Patriot 4400/19 and G.skill 4000/16 kits. Maybe when I get my Vermeer I'll test the waters with my old quasi-Bdie Samsung E to get a feel for whether the performance uplift can be achieved without running into the Bdie 50°C wall.

@Nordic you dont have DOCP on. With it off, Auto SOC is 1.025. Give it 1.1V. Try 60ohms procODT and make sure Geardown is on. Right now, your VDDGs make no sense bc theyre derived from SOC. Them being higher than SOC doesn't work. VDDP shouldn't need to be past 1.0V.

 

[Nordic]

I tried these settings just now and it didn't work. I even tried setting the frequency to 3200 and it failed. I haven't tried the settings Swede provided yet.

Spoiler: Bios Screenshots

 

[Zach_01]

Probably you can forget about high speed memory (>3800). The IO Die will be the same, as copy/paste from ZEN2 package. So the memory support speed will be the same.
Could be different, like more CPUs could make it to the 3800 point, but don’t expect 4000+.

 

[INSTG8R]

Phone keyboard?

I used to use the Ryzen balanced and 1usmus plans but round about spring 2020 I found the Windows Balanced plan to be surprisingly near-indistinguishable from those two in benchmarks, but also clocking higher in effective clock in-game leading to a smoother experience. For me, once the other two plans caught up, 1usmus plan was all show and no go.

Been seeing more coverage of the Patriot 4400/19 and G.skill 4000/16 kits. Maybe when I get my Vermeer I'll test the waters with my old quasi-Bdie Samsung E to get a feel for whether the performance uplift can be achieved without running into the Bdie 50°C wall.

@Nordic you dont have DOCP on. With it off, Auto SOC is 1.025. Give it 1.1V. Try 60ohms procODT and make sure Geardown is on. Right now, your VDDGs make no sense bc theyre derived from SOC. Them being higher than SOC doesn't work. VDDP shouldn't need to be past 1.0V.

Yeah iPad need some sleeep so wc my proofreading is getting #loopy if there’s a High Performance Plan I’m using it.makes zero sense my PC runs 24/7 I will never use sleep or Hibernation I don’t even let my drives sleep. I just have my monitor. Set to go after 15min

 

[Zach_01]

@Nordic try this

Spread Spectrum: disabled (if there is such setting)
XMP: off
DRAM multi: x32 (or speed select = 3200MHz)
DRAM voltage: 1.35V
SoC voltage: 1.1V
CLDO_VDDG: 1.0V (1000mV) (both CCD, IOD)
CLDO_VDDP: 0.95V (950mV)
MEMCLK==UCLK
FCLK: 1600MHz
Timings: 16-19-19-19-38-57
tRFC: 494
tRFC2: 367
tRFC4: 226
procODT: 60
Everything else DRAM related: Auto

If that won’t work, increase DRAM voltage to 1.38V. All other the same.

EDIT:
By mistake I was giving opposite VDDG/VDDP voltage (opposite to each other) Now its correct.

 

[GoldenX]

Got a Comet Lake system for my brother a month ago, it was needed for 3D development so the idea was to cover as many GPU archs as possible, this forced us to get a socket 1200 CPU to include Gen9.5 Intel graphics (instead of the Threadripper I wanted...), along with Pascal, Turing and Polaris. Ampere was on this list until we found out on release that it is just Turing, it has nothing new in the development department.
Anyway, it was built with some cheap Colorful 2x8GB kit at 2666MHz CL19. Decided to test those on my 3400G and oh boy, we hit the lottery. It maxed out the IMC of this Zen+ at 3466MHz, and even manages to boot at up to 3800MHz.

The burner declares it is an unknown Micron die, seems like the only way to confirm will be to check one of the sticks.

 

[TheLostSwede]

@Nordic try this

Spread Spectrum: disabled (if there is such setting)
XMP: off
DRAM multi: x32 (or speed select = 3200MHz)
DRAM voltage: 1.35V
SoC voltage: 1.1V
CLDO_VDDG: 1.0V (1000mV) (both CCD, IOD)
CLDO_VDDP: 0.95V (950mV)
MEMCLK==UCLK
FCLK: 1600MHz
Timings: 16-19-19-19-38-57
tRFC: 494
tRFC2: 367
tRFC4: 226
procODT: 60
Everything else DRAM related: Auto

If that won’t work, increase DRAM voltage to 1.38V. All other the same.

EDIT:
By mistake I was giving opposite VDDG/VDDP voltage (opposite to each other) Now its correct.

1usmus has stated there's no need to change the secondary tRFC settings, only the primary one matters.

 

[Zach_01]

Yeah, I remember that. Still I’m using it. It’s easy to calculate them.

 

[GoldenX]

Anyone has any info on Micron J-die?

 

[tabascosauz]

Anyone has any info on Micron J-die?

Some say it's closely related to Rev.E, which for all intents and purposes is a great thing if true.

Actual feedback is all over the place. Sticks seem rated out of the box for non XMP 3200 @ JEDEC 1.2V. Some users can't get it stable at mundane speeds. Some Korean dudes tested it up to 3800 16-17-17 (which is insane) and 4200 18-21-21 at pretty reasonable volts. So who knows.

I'd stick to one of the higher speed new gen Ballistix with the new heatspreader, though. They be carrying some potent new Rev.E that seems broadly good for 5000 regardless of factory XMP.

 

[GoldenX]

Found some generic cheap Colorful 2666MHz @ 1.2v CL19 RAM, and has J-die (was the cheapest I could get). Can do at least 3800 but my 3400G only takes up to 3466.
Info on them is so scarce and varied...

 

[tabascosauz]

Found some generic cheap Colorful 2666MHz @ 1.2v CL19 RAM, and has J-die (was the cheapest I could get). Can do at least 3800 but my 3400G only takes up to 3466.
Info on them is so scarce and varied...

Ryzen 5000 time?

Here are the crazy Koreans if you know the language/can make sense of Google Translate https://quasarzone.com/bbs/qf_overclocking/views/32108

One distinction I suppose is that these are on a Crucial PCB while yours is not. Otherwise, go to town and treat it like Rev.E (aka timings loose and no real special considerations at all).

 

[GoldenX]

Imagine my face when I troll tested 3800MHz 25-25-25 and it booted.
This kit was a nice 40% cheaper than any other 2x8GB kit.

BAPC08G2666D4S8 Y3CC19 if anyone is interested. Seems like they don't care to bin the ICs.