Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[freeagent]

190W is a bit much. I would lower the limit a bit.

Nah.. it’s fine

 

[eidairaman1]

Just got a R7 5800X, having a tough choice on motherboard selection. They all look awesome.

B550 Chipset.

I've had good success with my Asus TUF Sabertooth R2.0 with the 8350, and an AsRock 970 Extreme 4 with a X2 555BE

3 boards in the Running.
AsRock B550 Steel Legend, Extreme 4.

Asus ROG Strix B550-A Gaming

Asus did not bios update the TUF B550 Gaming Pro to support the 5800X unfortunately...

Differences:
Steel Legend and Extreme 4 have Debug Code LED, support 4733+ Ram OC

Strix has Bios Flashback, Supports Ram OC 5100.

Steel Legend and Strix have DP and HDMI

Extreme 4 has Power and Reset Buttons.

I understand a APU must be used to utilize the IGPs.

All are 14 Phases and Support 5800X.

AsRock seems to be on the ball with Bios Updates.

I will be using 2x16GB Ram.

This rig is not for me but my lady.

 

[Mussels]

Just got a R7 5800X, having a tough choice on motherboard selection. They all look awesome.

B550 Chipset.

I've had good success with my Asus TUF Sabertooth R2.0 with the 8350, and an AsRock 970 Extreme 4 with a X2 555BE

3 boards in the Running.
AsRock B550 Steel Legend, Extreme 4.

Asus ROG Strix B550-A Gaming

Asus did not bios update the TUF B550 Gaming Pro to support the 5800X unfortunately...

Differences:
Steel Legend and Extreme 4 have Debug Code LED, support 4733+ Ram OC

Strix has Bios Flashback, Supports Ram OC 5100.

Steel Legend and Strix have DP and HDMI

Extreme 4 has Power and Reset Buttons.

I understand a APU must be used to utilize the IGPs.

All are 14 Phases and Support 5800X.

AsRock seems to be on the ball with Bios Updates.

I will be using 2x16GB Ram.

This rig is not for me but my lady.

It's B550, it HAS to support 5800x

Edit: their BIOS page calls it a 5800, doesnt mention the X

 

[Deleted member 215115]

Just got a R7 5800X, having a tough choice on motherboard selection. They all look awesome.

B550 Chipset.

I've had good success with my Asus TUF Sabertooth R2.0 with the 8350, and an AsRock 970 Extreme 4 with a X2 555BE

3 boards in the Running.
AsRock B550 Steel Legend, Extreme 4.

Asus ROG Strix B550-A Gaming

Asus did not bios update the TUF B550 Gaming Pro to support the 5800X unfortunately...

Differences:
Steel Legend and Extreme 4 have Debug Code LED, support 4733+ Ram OC

Strix has Bios Flashback, Supports Ram OC 5100.

Steel Legend and Strix have DP and HDMI

Extreme 4 has Power and Reset Buttons.

I understand a APU must be used to utilize the IGPs.

All are 14 Phases and Support 5800X.

AsRock seems to be on the ball with Bios Updates.

I will be using 2x16GB Ram.

This rig is not for me but my lady.

Phases don't matter in your case. It's just a 5800X. It's gonna be a question of 50 degrees vs 60 on the VRM. Not gonna make a difference. Plus, it doesn't really make sense to overclock manually on Zen 3 since you're way better off just letting PBO do its thing with the curve optimizer.

You should also consider the B550 Tomahawk. Great board.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3Mxbt6/msi-mag-b550-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550-tomahawk

 

[Mussels]

I have a thread in my sig about getting the right power efficiency from the 5800x, you get no gains past 120W - 95W is the sweet spot, and all but the worst boards can handle that fine


All the boards have garbage software/RGB control, so get the one with the hardware features you want (M.2 slots, wifi, ethernet, whatever)
Oh and make sure it has BIOS flashback, only a few truly shit boards dont have that

You will not get RAM above 3800 stable. Dont even bother falling for that marketing.

After looking at those two and ignoring the marketing, they're basically the same
B550 doesnt leave much room for innovation

 

[eidairaman1]

It's B550, it HAS to support 5800x

Edit: their BIOS page calls it a 5800, doesnt mention the X

Switch to me it sounds like it's only supports the OEM chip not the extreme chip

Phases don't matter in your case. It's just a 5800X. It's gonna be a question of 50 degrees vs 60 on the VRM. Not gonna make a difference. Plus, it doesn't really make sense to overclock manually on Zen 3 since you're way better off just letting PBO do its thing with the curve optimizer.

You should also consider the B550 Tomahawk. Great board.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3Mxbt6/msi-mag-b550-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-mag-b550-tomahawk

Who said I was overclocking?

MSI-no thanks.

10 degrees is noticeable compared to 5.

 

[freeagent]

I would go with the Strix. It’s got the power you want, most of the nice features, and their nice bios, she should be a ripper

Ah, are you one of those people who only shops by brand in 2021? That's worth a "no thanks".

I am and it works well for me.

 

[cst1992]

MSI-no thanks.

Why? The B550 Tomahawk's got a great VRM whereas the other MSI boards are lacking vs competing brands.

However, what was a dealbreaker for me is that the 2nd M.2 slot is only 3.0x2 (instead of x4) which means your second M.2 SSD will run at half speed. This was the case for almost all MSI B550 boards.

I was only trying to help but you don't seem to need it. Location checks out. I'm out.

Personal attacks look like they're cool, but actually aren't.

 

[Deleted member 215115]

Personal attacks look like they're cool, but actually aren't.

Sorry. Old habit. I'll try to be better.

 

[Mussels]

I'd skip MSI as well, and go for asus or asrock

As long as you dont get the cheapest series from either of those brands choices, you'll be fine

 

[tabascosauz]

Switch to me it sounds like it's only supports the OEM chip not the extreme chip

Who said I was overclocking?

MSI-no thanks.

10 degrees is noticeable compared to 5.

We go off CPU family names - Vermeer covers 5600/5600X/5800/5800X/5900/5900X/5950X, so if one is compatible, all of them are compatible.

B550 does not guarantee Ryzen 5000 booting support as it predates the new CPUs by months - it guarantees Ryzen 3000 support. However, if you are buying a board in November 2021, it will almost certainly support a 5800X right out of the box, because it should ship with a new BIOS considering the volume of boards that are being moved. And even in the very unlikely scenario a 5800X can't boot on a TUF, the TUF has BIOS flashback so all you need is a spare USB drive to get you up and running.

As for VRMs, no, it doesn't matter. All boards with a 8 x 50A or better VRM and heatsink will push the 142W needed to handle any 5800X with no longevity concerns whatsoever. This isn't Intel. VRM component longevity doesn't become a slight concern until 80C+, and doesn't become alarming until 100C+, and even 8 phases with 50A Vishays will be healthily below 80C at 142W.

 

[Mussels]

BIOS flashback is god tier

Also, the 5800x does far better under 120W, same perf for much lower temps - making it even easier on the VRM's

Oh and the required intel bashing:

5.7% faster for triple the wattage, woooo

 

[Cowboystrekk]

BIOS flashback is god tier

Also, the 5800x does far better under 120W, same perf for much lower temps - making it even easier on the VRM's

Oh and the required intel bashing:

5.7% faster for triple the wattage, woooo

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But in gaming, consumption is generally better than Zen 3, in productivity Zen 3 is far more efficient.

 

[Mussels]

But in gaming, consumption is generally better than Zen 3, in productivity Zen 3 is far more efficient.

w1zz didnt actually show gaming power draw, strangely enough

 

[Cowboystrekk]

w1zz didnt actually show gaming power draw, strangely enough

Yeah, but Igor lab did

 

[eidairaman1]

Well I went to Microcenter and they only had 2 of the 3 Boards, She preferred the Steel Legend due to the fact the packaging was more robust in protecting the Product. It' a sweet looking board.

@rares495 I only asked a question, and @cst1992, I only said the 3 boards. I also am disappointed with MSIs handling of AMD related products and they haven't had anything good since the 790 chipset.

I know MSI had good boards during the K7 days.

Low and behold I got a R7 5800 (Already had it tested at microcenter) and am currently in negotiation of getting $100 back since the person falsly advertised it as a 5800X on ebay @362 total.

 

[Mussels]

The 5800 is an *awesome* OEM chip, but yeah its not an X

 

[cst1992]

The 5800 is an *awesome* OEM chip, but yeah its not an X

Apart from OCability, what's the difference between the two?

 

[eidairaman1]

Apart from OCability, what's the difference between the two?

5800 was only sold to OEMs, not to the public. The 5800X has a base clock of 3.8GHz, turbo of 4.7GHz and TDP of 105W, the 5800 has a base clock of 3.4GHz, turbo of 4.6GHz and a TDP of 65W.

I was originally looking for a 5800, but no one was advertising just a 5800.

The 5800 is an *awesome* OEM chip, but yeah its not an X

Yup, the person didnt think I'd know the difference and I think 262 for the trouble is fair.

 

[cst1992]

I was originally looking for a 5800, but no one was advertising just a 5800.

Sounds like you got lucky - assuming you get your money back, of course.

 

[eidairaman1]

But in gaming, consumption is generally better than Zen 3, in productivity Zen 3 is far more efficient.

Yup and businesses like that. Servers and workstations as well.

Intel has to strain out the cpu and they are doing what bulldozer did in 2010-2012...

Sounds like you got lucky - assuming you get your money back, of course.

Yup, well he is willing but it has to go through paypal now. I do not do any transfers without a papertrail

 

[Mussels]

Apart from OCability, what's the difference between the two?

Basically, the stock PBO values. The 5800 is a 65W part, which doesnt have the 5800x issues of boosting so hard the cooling cant keep up

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Basically, the stock PBO values. The 5800 is a 65W part, which doesnt have the 5800x issues of boosting so hard the cooling cant keep up

But performance will be somewhat limited at stock since it will run max 76W like 5600X. I would expect allcore boost around 4GHz vs 4.4-4.5 on 5800X running stock. CO could offset that

 

[tabascosauz]

But performance will be somewhat limited at stock since it will run max 76W like 5600X. I would expect allcore boost around 4GHz vs 4.4-4.5 on 5800X running stock. CO could offset that

It sounds more like a 3700X successor. So 88W. AFAIK 5600X (and maybe 5600) are the only 65W parts ever to be limited to 76W, not even the APUs are that way.

If 5700G is any indication 90W should still be no problem for a 5800 to hit some decent boost clocks not far from a 5600X. 5800X doesn't need much more than 90W to hit its sweet spot right?

 

[Cowboystrekk]

It sounds more like a 3700X successor. So 88W. AFAIK 5600X (and maybe 5600) are the only 65W parts ever to be limited to 76W, not even the APUs are that way.

If 5700G is any indication 90W should still be no problem for a 5800 to hit some decent boost clocks not far from a 5600X. 5800X doesn't need much more than 90W to hit its sweet spot right?

On Ryzen 3000 both 3600 and 3700X ran at 88W max, I thought 65W on 5000 always was 76W. It's still the sweetspot on 5600X atleast. 84W gave me a measly 50MHz allcore at 5C higher temp and more noise.