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Well, that's a new one. I'm not familiar with Asus, but does the fan curve setting change anything else like PBO settings?

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On an unrelated topic, does anyone with Zen 4 see idle temps like these? With this setup, I've never been under 43c idle. Same case, same cooler, same ambient saw 29c with Alder Lake, and 33c with Zen 3.

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Interesting that Tctl/Tdie removed decimal point accuracy... that's a first for Ryzen I think.

Tctl/Tdie is a hotspot sensor, it looks like it might be tracking your IO die temps. Hot diggity that's a hot piece of silicon, undeniably hotter than Matisse and Vermeer. Hell'd freeze over before I saw 50C on 2CCD.
 
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Well, that's a new one. I'm not familiar with Asus, but does the fan curve setting change anything else like PBO settings?

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On an unrelated topic, does anyone with Zen 4 see idle temps like these? With this setup, I've never been under 43c idle. Same case, same cooler, same ambient saw 29c with Alder Lake, and 33c with Zen 3.

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My guess is a combination of the smaller node + aggressive clocks + very early, thoroughly unoptimized and buggy AGESA that would make your temps worse, but as long as the maximum temperatures are within operating spec I don't think it's cause for alarm.
 
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Interesting that Tctl/Tdie removed decimal point accuracy... that's a first for Ryzen I think.

Tctl/Tdie is a hotspot sensor, it looks like it might be tracking your IO die temps. Hot diggity that's a hot piece of silicon, undeniably hotter than Matisse and Vermeer. Hell'd freeze over before I saw 50C on 2CCD.

Oh, sorry, that's my bad. I removed the decimals for OSD use and never fixed.

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Yeah, core and L3 are fine. It's just working my OCD. Package power at idle is ~22w so that seems lower, at least from memory, than Vermeer.


My guess is a combination of the smaller node + aggressive clocks + very early, thoroughly unoptimized and buggy AGESA that would make your temps worse, but as long as the maximum temperatures are within operating spec I don't think it's cause for alarm.

Could be. That's why I was hoping for someone with Zen 4 to confirm if they were seeing the same thing.
 
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Oh, sorry, that's my bad. I removed the decimals for OSD use and never fixed.

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Yeah, core and L3 are fine. It's just working my OCD. Package power at idle is ~22w so that seems lower, at least from memory, than Vermeer.




Could be. That's why I was hoping for someone with Zen 4 to confirm if they were seeing the same thing.

I See the same thing on my 7950x.
IIRC Tctl contains some sort of offset, or atleast it used to in 1st gen Ryzen.
Not sure why CPU die would be much higher than core temps, other that some possible misreporting.
 

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Figured I would check out ECO Mode on the 7950X and I am impressed with the efficiency.
This was in ECO mode (105W) Max of 145W including Core+Soc+Misc.

Cinebench 34675 (ECO Mode) Max 69C
Cinebench 38244 (Default) Max 95C

Of course clocks in gaming aren't affected at all as they never reach the 105W anyway.

EDIT: this is on a moderately sized air cooler (Noctua U12A Chromax)
 

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It seems to me that AMD missed a huge opportunity by not releasing Zen 4 at the previous Zen 3 power limits and offering a one click 'RAGE Mode™' with the increased power limits. The masses would have ate that up.

Agreed, Kind of like RAGE mode they intoduced with radeon 6000 GPUs.
 

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My thoughts exactly...



Corsair does something extremely problematic, especially considering how distribution chains work. They release multiple different memory sticks under the exact same SKU name, and change the "version" of the SKU to distinguish between what type of memory IC that particular unit carries. Mixing and matching these, even if they are externally and otherwise physically identical, has serious implications to the performance and stability, because different ICs respond differently to timings, voltages, etc. - to the point that both kits will probably never work together well.

I have a quick-list saved here that someone posted on a Discord server I used to participate in to decode these, I can't speak for its accuracy, though - some revisions tend to be rare and data on them is muddy. It could be useful, so I am sharing:

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Corsair DDR4 revision list:

Micron
3.20 Micron 4Gbit Rev. A
3.21 Micron 4Gbit Rev. B
3.22 Micron 4Gbit Rev. E
3.22 Micron 4Gbit Rev. F
3.31 Micron assortment (Rev. B E, H J or D)
3.32 Micron 8Gbit Rev. H
3.33 Micron 8Gbit Rev. D
3.34 Micron 8Gbit Rev. E
3.40 Micron 16Gbit Rev. B
3.43 Micron 16Gbit Rev. E
3.44 Micron 16Gbit Rev. B

Samsung
4.14 Samsung 4Gbit D-die
4.23 Samsung 4Gbit D-die
4.24 Samsung 4Gbit E-die
4.31 Samsung 8Gbit B-die
4.32 Samsung 8Gbit C-die
4.33 Samsung 8Gbit D-die
4.34 Samsung 8Gbit E-die
4.40 Samsung 16Gbit A-die
4.40 Samsung 16Gbit A-die
4.41 Samsung 16Gbit B-die
4.49 Samsung 16Gbit M-die

Hynix
5.20 Hynix 4Gbit AFR
5.21 Hynix 4Gbit BJR
5.22 Hynix 4Gbit CJR
5.29 Hynix 4Gbit MFR
5.30 Hynix 8Gbit AFR
5.31 Hynix 8Gbit BFR
5.32 Hynix 8Gbit CJR
5.33 Hynix 8Gbit DJR
5.34 Hynix 8Gbit EJR
5.38 Hynix 8Gbit JJR
5.39 Hynix 8Gbit MFR
5.49 Hynix 16Gbit MJR

You should be able to see which version your particular memory sticks are by looking at the label imprinted on each of the them, here's an example from an old kit I have around:
Thats a fantastic little cheat sheet for corsair


The asus B450 system just settled in after the mixed memory and everything worked perfectly, the corrupt SPD timings is an unfixable bug that doesn't really affect anything - it's part of how they first implemented their RGB lighting and it had glitches with some RGB software

This is getting humorous.
My system (Asus X670E, 7950X) has been stable once again, 32 hours or so now.
....Until i went into bios and changed fan curves for case fans, all i did was change them from "Standard" to "Turbo", then BSOD hell again, random different BSODS.
Go back into bios, change the fans back to "standard" and its stable again.
Are you overloading any fan headers? Could something be drawing too much power from the board fan headers like a splitter or passively powered hub?

It seems to me that AMD missed a huge opportunity by not releasing Zen 4 at the previous Zen 3 power limits and offering a one click 'RAGE Mode™' with the increased power limits. The masses would have ate that up.
Yes!
Eco, Standard, RAGE.

Bring back the old slogan of theirs and give users a choice, letting them pick what they want from the setup.

Figured I would check out ECO Mode on the 7950X and I am impressed with the efficiency.
This was in ECO mode (105W) Max of 145W including Core+Soc+Misc.

Cinebench 34675 (ECO Mode) Max 69C
Cinebench 38244 (Default) Max 95C

Of course clocks in gaming aren't affected at all as they never reach the 105W anyway.

EDIT: this is on a moderately sized air cooler (Noctua U12A Chromax)
That's what i wanted to see, and i'm annoyed reviews never cover it.

Hopefully w1zz can, but his level of testing is damned time consuming - and worth waiting to see if AGESA updates come out, before wasting that time.
 

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Nahh its no problem. They are fine at 80 a piece :rockout:

I should've been clearer - IO die temps, so 80C would be serious cause for concern :eek: :D
 
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Are you overloading any fan headers? Could something be drawing too much power from the board fan headers like a splitter or passively powered hub?


It seems to be rock solid stable now, not sure why exactly but changing the fan type from "Auto" to "PWM" seems to have fixed it.
 

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It seems to be rock solid stable now, not sure why exactly but changing the fan type from "Auto" to "PWM" seems to have fixed it.
Whats connected to the headers?

Be worth finding out of this is an electrical issue or a BIOS issue, if nothing else
 
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Whats connected to the headers?

Be worth finding out of this is an electrical issue or a BIOS issue, if nothing else

4 X Noctua NF-A12 case fans (2 on a Noctua Y Splitter, 2 individuals)
The fans on the CPU Cooler (They are the same fans) are still on auto.. I'm thinking its just some weird early bios issue.
 

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Yeah they shouldn't be drawing too much power, if it was 3+ on a header then maaaaaybe
 
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My co-worker's Ryzen build is throwing "Boot failure detected" 9 out of 10 times. So far everything is pointing to something being terribly wrong with his B550 AORUS PRO AC. He tried swapping everything BUT the mobo and issues still persisted.
Based on the debug LEDs he either gets a CPU or RAM failure during boot.
He updated the board to latest BIOS - F15d but it made no difference.
Worst thing is that even if he manages to send it for RMA they'll probably boot it once, see that it works and call it a day.
 

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Tried benching the differences with SR DR and MR setups

failed since tomb raiders DRM shafted me

Having fun seeing what i can do with 80GB of RAM tho
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Can you REALLY be satisfied without overclocking the shit out of everything all at once?

80GB
3800MHz or MT/s or giggleshits or whatever
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Goddamn
Moved my 5800x to the ITX system, and it refuses to post with XMP.
The infamously shitty corsair LPX strikes again... That ram is gunna go to my x370 system if it wont behave
Edit: 1.1v didnt fix it, wow this RAM really loves to disapoint. It worked on the 2700x, but had issues on the 1400 and 1700 back in the day, too.


HPET is off by default in most AMD BIOS, might explain why you've got it and most people dont? glad you found it, HPET is seriously old and problematic
hmmmm I should check this, I thought it was enabled..........
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Yep
Makes me wonder if I should review this thread…. Or is there a sticky for recommended zen bios settings??
 

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I plugged my 5900X back in to play around for a couple of days. Great CPU. Fast as feck that’s for sure. But I think I’m going to plug my X3D back in. Surprising what that little CPU can do.
 
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I plugged my 5900X back in to play around for a couple of days. Great CPU. Fast as feck that’s for sure. But I think I’m going to plug my X3D back in. Surprising what that little CPU can do.
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I am strongly considering a side grade from my 5950x to a 5800x3d. A 50% boost in FPS in certain cpu bound games that I play is hard to ignore. For those who have used both zen and zen3d, how has your experience been with the 3d chips?
FPS goes whirrrrrr

0.1% drops are basically gone
 

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Can you get 2000 fabric clock and 4000 memory,?, I did but nudged it down.
I can do it, but it’s not stable. 1900 1:1 2x or 4x sticks on 5900X, on 5800X3D I can do 1933 1:1 with 2x or 4x sticks. Can do 2K on X3D as well but not stable. On 5600X it is stable at 2K 1:1, and has been to 2133 1:1.. little beasty :)
 
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I am strongly considering a side grade from my 5950x to a 5800x3d. A 50% boost in FPS in certain cpu bound games that I play is hard to ignore. For those who have used both zen and zen3d, how has your experience been with the 3d chips?

In my experience from strictly a gaming perspective, the X3D is hands-down the better choice. My 5950x is in the box on the shelf (for now - I'm having a hard time letting it go for the $400 it's worth).

Three games where the X3D made an immediate obvious difference were Guild Wars 2, Euro Truck Sim., and American Truck Sim.. Lows in busy areas for GW2 went from messy 40-50fps up to 70-90fps. Same situation with both Truck Sims. Cities/Towns with traffic went from 40's into the 60-70's.

The other side of that is if you have anything that needs serious multi-core performance, the X3D is going to be disappointing. Rather than a side grade (from a 5950x), it's probably accurate to say it's a big upgrade for games, and a sizeable downgrade for most everything else. I'd say roughly 5700x performance.
 

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I've mostly been playing DRG and SC2, so not super demanding games despite DRG being DX12 with everything but RTX


And it's been great. SC2 doesnt lag at all, even late game in the coop missions - things would always crawl for everyone be it AMD or intel when 10 bajillion units go onscreen, but that's simply gone now

And DRG is amazing with zero lag spikes. Seeing 4K 200 and maintaining it dip free until things get hectic when its GPU limited thanks to the undervolt and sitting at 4k150 is just amazing.
It's the little things you cant do with stutter, getting timing right for jumps, headshots or even avoding a misclick is a LOT harder when things are stuttery so you dont even try - you just learn to accept 'this isn't possible'

and then in DRG i'm at 3x the amount of kills for everyone else because i can simply outshoot and outreact them. I can risk more dangerous ideas, jumps and shots that would be near impossible with any type of delay

If you thought that the x3D could take 10ms off your network ping people would go nuts for it - reducing delays *anywhere* in the entire system benefits gaming
 
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In my experience from strictly a gaming perspective, the X3D is hands-down the better choice. My 5950x is in the box on the shelf (for now - I'm having a hard time letting it go for the $400 it's worth).
I still have my 3900x as well. I am thinking I could downgrade back to the 3900x, sell 5950x, then buy 5800x3d all for the glorious FPS.
 
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