Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[AusWolf]

Has anyone used:

ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II AM4 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.com

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It seems to have the features I need, but the only review I found didn't say anything about RAM other than running XMP fine with whatever kit they had.

I did. It's an absolutely awesome board, although I did just that: run XMP fine with whatever kit I had. I was using it with a 5950X without problem, by the way.

 

[Nordic]

I installed custom water cooling on my 5950x. Immidiate 20c drop under load. It does not get hotter than 70c during specific loads.

 

[freeagent]

Has anyone used:

ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II AM4 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX AMD Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

It seems to have the features I need, but the only review I found didn't say anything about RAM other than running XMP fine with whatever kit they had.

I bought that board DOA. Looked like a 4 layer frisbee. But it had good sinks on it. The legs on the soldered components seemed excessively long, and probably was the cause of it being DOA. As it was open box, who ever mounted it first probably wired it up only to have it short somewhere. Also had to trim some of those legs to mount my Thermalright backplate for Le Grand Macho RT.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Ok, I think I have it dialed down. Biggest concern now is running 4x16 GB - will the IMC on the X3D tolerate 3600, or will it help to go 2x32?

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

Ok, I think I have it dialed down. Biggest concern now is running 4x16 GB - will the IMC on the X3D tolerate 3600, or will it help to go 2x32?

I ran 4 of these without issue on an x3d. They are single rank DIMMs which probably helps out a bit. With the 4 you achieve dual-rank, dual-channel.

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-3600MHz-PC4-28800-288-Pin/dp/B07Z4NTYDM/r

 

[tabascosauz]

Ok, I think I have it dialed down. Biggest concern now is running 4x16 GB - will the IMC on the X3D tolerate 3600, or will it help to go 2x32?

If the sticks are dual rank and 8Gb, you shouldn't expect 3600 on a 4-layer board like the Prime A or TUF mATX. iirc most 4-layers are QVLed for like 3200 at 4 ranks per channel, but your mileage may vary. Just don't go into it with expectations.

If the sticks are single rank 16Gb there should not be any issues up to 3800 at the very least. 2x32GB is a safer bet as they should only be dual rank 16Gb sticks.

I also did own a B550M TUF and it was a solid performing board. 8 x 50A will handle any AM4 CPU easy, mem topology not bad either.

I would not trust that Prime A with anything over 65W TDP. It's a board with discrete mosfets, the heatsink is pathetic, and Asus uses some of the worst discretes available (SiRA). 5800X3D may not behave like other 105W parts (only hits ~120W in most benchmarks that aren't ycruncher), but unless you have an MSI discrete board with 4C024/4C029s I would just stay away.

The full ATX Prime is a different and stouter board, not sure if it's even 4-layer (the ATX X570 Pro was a 6 surprisingly).

 

[Mussels]

All those benches Prove are that the AUTO overclocking on MSI board's exceeds other AIB.

By throwing more wattages and higher voltages at them than everyone else

Has anyone used:

ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II AM4 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX AMD Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

It seems to have the features I need, but the only review I found didn't say anything about RAM other than running XMP fine with whatever kit they had.

the II series overall are pretty good steps up from the originals

I've got a low opinion of TUF boards, but being a B550 II, that's AFTER their screwups when they should be all fixed
Cant have a shitty 5000RPM chipset fan with no fan control, if its fanless B550...

 

[AusWolf]

By throwing more wattages and higher voltages at them than everyone else

Speaking of voltages, what are the AMD default values on a 7700X? I just want to check if my board is trying to trick me in some way.

 

[tabascosauz]

Speaking of voltages, what are the AMD default values on a 7700X? I just want to check if my board is trying to trick me in some way.

Which voltage rail are we talking about?' Im 99% sure those don't exist and have never existed on Vcore. VSOC probably depends on board and XMP/EXPO.

AMD only prescribes some absolute limits (e.g. 1.5V ST), Vcore in all other circumstances varies wildly by workload, board and (maybe) CPU sample SP

The 1.5V limit haven't changed for Raphael, I think.

 

[AusWolf]

Which voltage rail are we talking about?' Im 99% sure those don't exist and have never existed on Vcore. VSOC probably depends on board and XMP/EXPO.

AMD only prescribes some absolute limits (e.g. 1.5V ST), Vcore in all other circumstances varies wildly by workload, board and (maybe) CPU sample SP

The 1.5V limit haven't changed for Raphael, I think.

So basically, board makers can do whatever they want. That's what I was afraid of.

 

[Mussels]

Using boolean google search for "B550M-PLUS WIFI II" reddit VRM

Too old to have the V2, but the asus prime is funny since they put 300C since it just overheats
(Notice how MSI did indeed do well in B550, vs the earlier x570 attempts. The only issue here is if they're honest values, which we cant know)

overclock 3D was pretty happy with the V1's VRM temps, so if they haven't altered the cooling at all that's good
(Notice the MSI x570 running stock is as hot as most of the boards OC'd)

This shows the whole mess of confusion with the asus strix boards hotter than a TUF, and my strix-E is up in the charts since asus used super thin 0.5mm thermal pads that just dried into dust in under 6 months

So basically, board makers can do whatever they want. That's what I was afraid of.

Yep

And they can use sensors that are inaccurate or deliberately read high/low to do what they want
Wanna win performance reviews? make the sensors report lower voltages/wattages so PBO pushes harder

 

[tabascosauz]

So basically, board makers can do whatever they want. That's what I was afraid of.

That's always been true though. Instead of static OCing like on Intel, we put faith in Precision Boost and board makers.

 

[Mussels]

That's always been true though. Instead of static OCing like on Intel, we put faith in Precision Boost and board makers.

In HWinfos' accuracy meter we trust

(Mine over-reports due to being offset undervolted)

 

[tabascosauz]

In HWinfos' accuracy meter we trust

(Mine over-reports due to being offset undervolted)
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It's more than that though. There's a lot of boost irregularities and bad performance that can't be fixed by adjusting telemetry to fix power deviation. It's just certain boards having certain quirks, and it's incredibly frustrating to have no control over those things.

I had a B550I Gaming Edge Max ITX for a few days and that was the case on that board. The B550M-ITX/ac, B550I Aorus AX, and B550 Strix-I all report about the same but boost fine.

 

[Ruru]

Went back to the Crosshair VII Hero, seems like turning fTPM off AND increasing SoC & IF voltages did some magic for the audio crackling (aka DPC latency). Also I went back to Win10 and used some tips from here. https://thegeekpage.com/high-dpc-latency-on-windows-10/

 

[paez]

for 2 years i am experiencing problem with 5900x.

i was using 3700x and msi b450 tomahawk combo, then i upgraded to 5900x. i updated bios for 5000 series and tried new cpu but i had black screen problems when gaming or benchmarking. black screen means, i lost monitor signal and monitor goes to sleep, no case button works so i had to reboot by shutting down psu and wait for 10 seconds, than reboot again etc.

that time cpu and bios were new so many people had lots of problem and there were so many different ideas for these black screens. i tried most of them and finally found a solution. raising nb/soc voltage in offset mode by 0.05 solved all of my problem. i never saw black screen again, till gpu upgrade.

last month i changed my gpu (6950xt from 6800xt), that was not a radical upgrade so i didnt changed anything on system, just replace gpu and boot again. when i trying to benchmark gpu, just black screen came again. i thought maybe my bios is out of date and i should upgrade it. so i upgraded bios, tried again but nothing changed. then i changed gpu and tried old stable one, but black screen problem was there again. i tried old nb/soc voltage method but it doesnt help either. so after new bios my system wasnt stable even with old hardware.

so i tried to understand what's going on and read a lot of stuff about this common black screen issue. tried lots of things and only turning of pbo and using cpu at 3700 mhz solved problem. then i tried eco pbo modes and eco mode 45 and 65 w modes were stable. even eco mode 95w causing black screen.

now i changed my gpu again to 7900xtx and using it with 5900x and 65w eco mode. with these settings i have no black screen issue but i want to solve this problem without reducing my system power.

to solve this firstly i should understand what's the core of this problem. i guess it's a bios and voltage issue when i am using eco mode all my other hardware seem stabil even with extreme overclock. but when i extremely downclock ram and gpu, cpu isnt stable if turn off eco mode. my psu is platinum 1200 watt. i have nzxt kraken for water cooling and cpu temps rarely exceed 50 degree so this is not about temps or power.

i should find a new voltage setting for this specific system or i should change mobo. but i dont want to change just my mobo if i upgrade i should change it all, (7000 series cpu, ddr 5 etc) so just uprading mobo is useless for 5900x cpu.

i havent read all the pages of this 200 paged topic cause i cant but maybe a soul in this zen garden had same or similar problem and solution. or i will continue to use this system in eco mode for ever.

 

[Ruru]

for 2 years i am experiencing problem with 5900x.

i was using 3700x and msi b450 tomahawk combo, then i upgraded to 5900x. i updated bios for 5000 series and tried new cpu but i had black screen problems when gaming or benchmarking. black screen means, i lost monitor signal and monitor goes to sleep, no case button works so i had to reboot by shutting down psu and wait for 10 seconds, than reboot again etc.

that time cpu and bios were new so many people had lots of problem and there were so many different ideas for these black screens. i tried most of them and finally found a solution. raising nb/soc voltage in offset mode by 0.05 solved all of my problem. i never saw black screen again, till gpu upgrade.

last month i changed my gpu (6950xt from 6800xt), that was not a radical upgrade so i didnt changed anything on system, just replace gpu and boot again. when i trying to benchmark gpu, just black screen came again. i thought maybe my bios is out of date and i should upgrade it. so i upgraded bios, tried again but nothing changed. then i changed gpu and tried old stable one, but black screen problem was there again. i tried old nb/soc voltage method but it doesnt help either. so after new bios my system wasnt stable even with old hardware.

so i tried to understand what's going on and read a lot of stuff about this common black screen issue. tried lots of things and only turning of pbo and using cpu at 3700 mhz solved problem. then i tried eco pbo modes and eco mode 45 and 65 w modes were stable. even eco mode 95w causing black screen.

now i changed my gpu again to 7900xtx and using it with 5900x and 65w eco mode. with these settings i have no black screen issue but i want to solve this problem without reducing my system power.

to solve this firstly i should understand what's the core of this problem. i guess it's a bios and voltage issue when i am using eco mode all my other hardware seem stabil even with extreme overclock. but when i extremely downclock ram and gpu, cpu isnt stable if turn off eco mode. my psu is platinum 1200 watt. i have nzxt kraken for water cooling and cpu temps rarely exceed 50 degree so this is not about temps or power.

i should find a new voltage setting for this specific system or i should change mobo. but i dont want to change just my mobo if i upgrade i should change it all, (7000 series cpu, ddr 5 etc) so just uprading mobo is useless for 5900x cpu.

i havent read all the pages of this 200 paged topic cause i cant but maybe a soul in this zen garden had same or similar problem and solution. or i will continue to use this system in eco mode for ever.

I'm pretty sure that it's a motherboard issue if lowering the TDP solves it. Is your RAM overclocked? 6800 XT -> 6950 XT shouldn't be that problematical upgrade as they use the same chip, and if you have a 1.2kW PSU, I doubt that causes any problems.

Also, welcome to TPU.

 

[AsRock]

By throwing more wattages and higher voltages at them than everyone else


the II series overall are pretty good steps up from the originals

I've got a low opinion of TUF boards, but being a B550 II, that's AFTER their screwups when they should be all fixed
Cant have a shitty 5000RPM chipset fan with no fan control, if its fanless B550...

Pretty sad to here that they had no fan control, even my Cheap ass ASRock AM4 board had that. How ever maybe some thing like Fan Control could give that option.

 

[The King]

for 2 years i am experiencing problem with 5900x.

i was using 3700x and msi b450 tomahawk combo, then i upgraded to 5900x. i updated bios for 5000 series and tried new cpu but i had black screen problems when gaming or benchmarking. black screen means, i lost monitor signal and monitor goes to sleep, no case button works so i had to reboot by shutting down psu and wait for 10 seconds, than reboot again etc.

that time cpu and bios were new so many people had lots of problem and there were so many different ideas for these black screens. i tried most of them and finally found a solution. raising nb/soc voltage in offset mode by 0.05 solved all of my problem. i never saw black screen again, till gpu upgrade.

last month i changed my gpu (6950xt from 6800xt), that was not a radical upgrade so i didnt changed anything on system, just replace gpu and boot again. when i trying to benchmark gpu, just black screen came again. i thought maybe my bios is out of date and i should upgrade it. so i upgraded bios, tried again but nothing changed. then i changed gpu and tried old stable one, but black screen problem was there again. i tried old nb/soc voltage method but it doesnt help either. so after new bios my system wasnt stable even with old hardware.

so i tried to understand what's going on and read a lot of stuff about this common black screen issue. tried lots of things and only turning of pbo and using cpu at 3700 mhz solved problem. then i tried eco pbo modes and eco mode 45 and 65 w modes were stable. even eco mode 95w causing black screen.

now i changed my gpu again to 7900xtx and using it with 5900x and 65w eco mode. with these settings i have no black screen issue but i want to solve this problem without reducing my system power.

to solve this firstly i should understand what's the core of this problem. i guess it's a bios and voltage issue when i am using eco mode all my other hardware seem stabil even with extreme overclock. but when i extremely downclock ram and gpu, cpu isnt stable if turn off eco mode. my psu is platinum 1200 watt. i have nzxt kraken for water cooling and cpu temps rarely exceed 50 degree so this is not about temps or power.

i should find a new voltage setting for this specific system or i should change mobo. but i dont want to change just my mobo if i upgrade i should change it all, (7000 series cpu, ddr 5 etc) so just uprading mobo is useless for 5900x cpu.

i havent read all the pages of this 200 paged topic cause i cant but maybe a soul in this zen garden had same or similar problem and solution. or i will continue to use this system in eco mode for ever.

Filling out your System specs section in your profile will be a good including your PSU specs.

Considering the B450 tomahawk has one of the most powerful VRM designs for any B450 series board and can easily handle a 5950X I will be surprised if the motherboard can't handle a 5900X.

Also please post Zentimings with your current RAM OC and offset settings that you are using for the VSOC

 

[AusWolf]

That's always been true though. Instead of static OCing like on Intel, we put faith in Precision Boost and board makers.

I haven't done any CPU OC, static or otherwise, in the last 10 or so years, maybe more. Boost takes care of everything so I don't have to.

In HWinfos' accuracy meter we trust

(Mine over-reports due to being offset undervolted)
View attachment 275576

I remember having that on AM4, but it doesn't show on my current system. Either AM5 doesn't have it, or my board somehow manages to hide it.

 

[freeagent]

Testing my 5900X in a semi-passive setup today

Edit:

It seems ok..

Well..

I got it to do the 4500MHz under WCG that I wanted, but she wants to run hot. 4400MHz is no sweat though. 4600 is what it normally runs at.

 

[AusWolf]

Testing my 5900X in a semi-passive setup today

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Edit:

It seems ok..

View attachment 275681

Well..

I got it to do the 4500MHz under WCG that I wanted, but she wants to run hot. 4400MHz is no sweat though. 4600 is what it normally runs at.View attachment 275727

That 1-200 MHz difference is nothing. Very impressive from a semi-passive setup!

 

[Mussels]

Went back to the Crosshair VII Hero, seems like turning fTPM off AND increasing SoC & IF voltages did some magic for the audio crackling (aka DPC latency). Also I went back to Win10 and used some tips from here. https://thegeekpage.com/high-dpc-latency-on-windows-10/

the SoC resets when it has inadequate voltage and devices drop and reconnect, and have latency delays when this happens

fTPM should only be an issue on older agesas

 

[Ruru]

the SoC resets when it has inadequate voltage and devices drop and reconnect, and have latency delays when this happens

fTPM should only be an issue on older agesas

Yet it seems to work as there's absolutely zero problems with audio anymore. and yeah I have the most recent bios.

 

[Mussels]

Pretty sad to here that they had no fan control, even my Cheap ass ASRock AM4 board had that. How ever maybe some thing like Fan Control could give that option.

To be clear the CHIPSET fan had no fan control
Hence those early rumours and reputation about x570's shitty screamer chipset fans

for 2 years i am experiencing problem with 5900x.

i was using 3700x and msi b450 tomahawk combo, then i upgraded to 5900x. i updated bios for 5000 series and tried new cpu but i had black screen problems when gaming or benchmarking. black screen means, i lost monitor signal and monitor goes to sleep, no case button works so i had to reboot by shutting down psu and wait for 10 seconds, than reboot again etc.

that time cpu and bios were new so many people had lots of problem and there were so many different ideas for these black screens. i tried most of them and finally found a solution. raising nb/soc voltage in offset mode by 0.05 solved all of my problem. i never saw black screen again, till gpu upgrade.

last month i changed my gpu (6950xt from 6800xt), that was not a radical upgrade so i didnt changed anything on system, just replace gpu and boot again. when i trying to benchmark gpu, just black screen came again. i thought maybe my bios is out of date and i should upgrade it. so i upgraded bios, tried again but nothing changed. then i changed gpu and tried old stable one, but black screen problem was there again. i tried old nb/soc voltage method but it doesnt help either. so after new bios my system wasnt stable even with old hardware.

so i tried to understand what's going on and read a lot of stuff about this common black screen issue. tried lots of things and only turning of pbo and using cpu at 3700 mhz solved problem. then i tried eco pbo modes and eco mode 45 and 65 w modes were stable. even eco mode 95w causing black screen.

now i changed my gpu again to 7900xtx and using it with 5900x and 65w eco mode. with these settings i have no black screen issue but i want to solve this problem without reducing my system power.

to solve this firstly i should understand what's the core of this problem. i guess it's a bios and voltage issue when i am using eco mode all my other hardware seem stabil even with extreme overclock. but when i extremely downclock ram and gpu, cpu isnt stable if turn off eco mode. my psu is platinum 1200 watt. i have nzxt kraken for water cooling and cpu temps rarely exceed 50 degree so this is not about temps or power.

i should find a new voltage setting for this specific system or i should change mobo. but i dont want to change just my mobo if i upgrade i should change it all, (7000 series cpu, ddr 5 etc) so just uprading mobo is useless for 5900x cpu.

i havent read all the pages of this 200 paged topic cause i cant but maybe a soul in this zen garden had same or similar problem and solution. or i will continue to use this system in eco mode for ever.

those low load black screen crashes are 100% SoC voltage related, it's a common problem with incorrect RAM setups as everyone seems to think ryzen can just slap in any ram on XMP and have it run, when it's overclocking to go past 3200MT/s and certain combinations aren't even rated that fast

Fill out your system specs, look at the detail other users here have posted for what to include

If you post a zentimings screenshot or CPU-Z screenshots of XMP and RAM tabs, we'll find the issues