Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[HD64G]

Quick question about Ryzen Master: I've set up my Curve Optimizer to -25 all cores as I did in my BIOS. The problem with my X670E AORUS Master is every time I update the BIOS it resets all of my settings (and i've tried to restore them from a profile backup with no success) so I thought that if I set up CO in Ryzen Master I can just:
1) Update my BIOS.
2) Boot into Windows.
3) Re-apply my CO settings with a single click.

Am I right in understanding that Ryzen Master will allow for the above? I already have a list of BIOS settings to revert post-reboot and this would mean a few less clicks and taps.

Once you change settings in BIOS or reset or update it, you need to reapply the RM settings and reboot after that in order for those settings to work again.

 

[Klemc]

AMD Chipset :
5.08.02.027

So ASUS :
5.06.16.400

 

[Space Lynx]

AMD Chipset :
5.08.02.027

So ASUS :
5.06.16.400

I have noticed that a lot of motherboard manufacturers are like this on chipsets, I have always found it strange too. lol

Your average consumer probably doesn't know to go to amd.com and just get the latest ones. heh

 

[Klemc]

I think the fact that the ASUS date is one day earlier is due to timezone

 

[trparky]

I'm going to stay on BIOS revision F7 for my board until there's no lowercase letter after the number; that usually indicates a beta BIOS.

 

[Mussels]

Hey mussels.


i think i found you on youtube comments about the USB Glitches
I'm lost here. Soyo (MB Manufacturer) told me to download driver updates, which i did, and told me it would be a fix. it doesnt work :/

Yup, youtube wasn't too helpful when you can't have things like the forum here where every post has a users specs
Been a bit busy lately (You'll all find out why in the coming weeks)

Soyo isn't a common board manufacturer to see around, but usually the fix for the USB dropouts is to raise the SoC voltage (also known as VSoC) or lower the DRAM speed.

DRAM speed is linked to infinity fabric speed which is the link the SoC uses to communicate with everything else in the CPU. Raising RAM speed raises that - and too much power draw from the higher speeds causes the SoC to drop out and reset.
The SoC also controls SATA ports, USB ports and PCI-E lanes so those dropouts can express in different ways - on my x370 and B450 boards it was USB issues, on my x570 and B550 boards it was PCI-E issues with the same CPU.

Can you post a Zentimings screenshot and link to the board you have, and check what BIOS settings you have for DRAM speed and voltages?

This is what a stock setup should more or less look like, this is with DDR4 3600MT/s (Mistakenly called MHz, trips up new people all the time)
Those three values should match up, and the voltages below the square are the important ones for stability.

AMD Updates Ryzen Chipset Drivers with Greater 3D V-cache Optimization?

AMD released updated Ryzen Chipset software, version 5.08.02.027. In addition to bug fixes for its various components, the drivers introduce application support for a "New program support and some new drivers added." The package now includes three new components—AMD SFH 1.1 driver, AMD...

www.techpowerup.com

anyone want to test if these x3d chipset drivers improve performance? i call 4 fps gain across the board!

It's for 7000 series x3D processors to help them choose which tasks go on which cores better, automatically. Not really for us AM4 users that don't have hybrid designs.

 

[R-T-B]

You'll all find out why in the coming weeks

Someone got the mobo reviewer job?

 

[Klemc]

Looking at the BIOS tiny lcd panel it reports 78°C max, at higher load i use, by exemple TLOU compiling nuances, that means it will never go higher ?..

 

[Space Lynx]

Does anyone know if emulators, like say the Playstation 2 or 3 emulator, benefit from x3d cache on ryzen? Or is it a non-factor? Just curious more than anything.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

Does anyone know if emulators, like say the Playstation 2 or 3 emulator, benefit from x3d cache on ryzen? Or is it a non-factor? Just curious more than anything.

W1zz tests those:

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review - The Best Gaming CPU

AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D is everything that gamers want: eight fast cores, in a single CCD, with 3D VCache stacked on top at a price point of $450. In our review we can confirm that 7800X3D is indeed the fastest gaming CPU available, beating Intel's 13900K and even the 7950X3D.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Mussels]

Does anyone know if emulators, like say the Playstation 2 or 3 emulator, benefit from x3d cache on ryzen? Or is it a non-factor? Just curious more than anything.

Yup. bigtime.


Watched a GN video on Eco mode and the 7950x

Converting their 10 pages of information into short little snippet that could fit a single image:
They used blender for testing, so the benchmark time was in seconds
65W TDP / 88W PPT (4050MHz 40.3) 8.0s
105W TDP / 158W PPT(4800MHz 62c) 6.4s (25% faster)
170W TDP / 262W PPT (5100Mz 95c) 6.0s (33% faster / 6.6% faster)

104 watts and 33c for 300Mhz and a ~5 percent speed boost in MT? (ST and games results were under 1% slower)

That 170W profile is a joke and not worth existing. In some edge-cases (the CS:GO benchmark, and others with their 0.1% lows) the 105W profile was faster.
CS:Go scores - where avoiding CPU and VRM thermal limits kept performance higher, at the lower clocks.

You can tell it's only there to try and fight for synthetic benchmarks against intel, and so every single owner of these CPU's has to deal with 90c temps for no reason, if they don't know to enable eco mode.

 

[ViperXTR]

oh man, 5800X3D slowly dropping price on my local shops recently

 

[Mussels]

oh man, 5800X3D slowly dropping price on my local shops recently

CPU's upto the 5700x are cheap here, 5800x3D is more than i paid for it however long ago (A year?)

 

[ViperXTR]

Im just timing it i guess, since most shops would clear their inventory soon in favor of the newer zen4 CPUs.

Does anyone know if emulators, like say the Playstation 2 or 3 emulator, benefit from x3d cache on ryzen? Or is it a non-factor? Just curious more than anything.

Also considering this and it looks like its pretty much the same on some other tests aside from TPU. its because im also into emulation

 

[Mussels]

I think it's more about when they bought them vs holding onto stock too long and losing the sale entirely - they bought the higher end CPU's when prices were high so they want to sell em high. They got replacement CPU's cheaper later, since they sell more often.

Then sales come out when new products replace them, except AM4 got a new lease on life. Pity the 5600x3D was such a limited launch.

 

[tabascosauz]

Just checking, any 5600G and 5700G users around who aren't afraid to crank up the memory a bit? What y'all run your SOC at

Coming off of years of iGPU only, don't have a frame of reference for high Fabric VSOC with a dGPU, but don't want to come down on RAM speed either

 

[Space Lynx]

man the 7800x3d really does smoke everything else in so many categories.

i am 100% going to upgrade to the 8800x3d on launch day and sell my 5600x3d/mobo/ram as a combo.

 

[Klemc]

Does anyone know if emulators, like say the Playstation 2 or 3 emulator, benefit from x3d cache on ryzen? Or is it a non-factor? Just curious more than anything.

Mostly avx512 for emulators, cache, i'm not sure but i"d say yes.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Running nice and quiet after getting the fans tuned properly. Default fan curves suck.

 

[Mussels]

Just checking, any 5600G and 5700G users around who aren't afraid to crank up the memory a bit? What y'all run your SOC at

Coming off of years of iGPU only, don't have a frame of reference for high Fabric VSOC with a dGPU, but don't want to come down on RAM speed either

Was it @GerKNG who used those? Some of those APU's can reach 4400 - they clock higher than the bigger cache models

Default fan curves suck.

I swear they're still using curves made for <45W CPU's with temperature readings from 10 years ago, for intel stock coolers from x58.
The wraith stealth/prism for example, AM4 boards stock profiles just turn them into screamers and on ryzen 3000/5000 with the single core temp spikes they're erratic AF at stock

 

[tabascosauz]

Was it @GerKNG who used those? Some of those APU's can reach 4400 - they clock higher than the bigger cache models


I swear they're still using curves made for <45W CPU's with temperature readings from 10 years ago, for intel stock coolers from x58.
The wraith stealth/prism for example, AM4 boards stock profiles just turn them into screamers and on ryzen 3000/5000 with the single core temp spikes they're erratic AF at stock

I'm already at 4400 with the A2000. I've been up to 4800 and people do 6000 memory validations with them; I just want to get an idea for what people are running for daily VSOC, since iGPU changes VSOC requirements dramatically and I have always exclusively had iGPU use until now.

 

[GerKNG]

iirc PBO and high frequency XMP kits already goes into the 1.25-1.3V range on APUs. i had a 5600g running at ~ 1.36V SoC for 6-7 months without issues. it was basically a playstation 2 emulator overclocked to 2.4Ghz GPU and 4.75Ghz on the Cores with quite high voltages.

 

[tabascosauz]

iirc PBO and high frequency XMP kits already goes into the 1.25-1.3V range on APUs. i had a 5600g running at ~ 1.36V SoC for 6-7 months without issues. it was basically a playstation 2 emulator overclocked to 2.4Ghz GPU and 4.75Ghz on the Cores with quite high voltages.

What RAM and Fabric for that iGPU setup? BCLK or all-core?

I'm not too worried about degradation as I was also running about 1.26V for 2.3GHz Vega 8 to compensate droop, just curious what range VSOC people are generally looking at for dGPU use so I can get an idea of where this replacement 5700G stands.

 

[GerKNG]

it should have been two 16GB 4000 CL18 dimms in 1:1 i had left over from my 10900k.
Cores were static at 4.75Ghz at 1.38V with around 40mv of vdroop under all core load. since it was only a PS2 Emulator it was not running under high load but it was fine. i sold the chip locally to a guy that buys tons of hardware and he never complained about something not working after a year now. and he said he wants to use it with my OC.

you can always be lucky and run a Chip on high voltages for many years while another identical setup degrades beyond stock clocks in the same time.
but imo 1.3V+ SoC should be fine on APUs. i never degraded cores in my whole life of overclocking. only IMCs.

 

[tabascosauz]

it should have been two 16GB 4000 CL18 dimms in 1:1 i had left over from my 10900k.
Cores were static at 4.75Ghz at 1.38V with around 40mv of vdroop under all core load. since it was only a PS2 Emulator it was not running under high load but it was fine. i sold the chip locally to a guy that buys tons of hardware and he never complained about something not working after a year now. and he said he wants to use it with my OC.

Vcore-wise I saw similar droop, but VSOC droop exceeded 110mV at times with iGPU in 3D. Not familiar with PS2 emulation, high GPU load or only minimal?

I would do an OC but cooling 5700G is a bit of a challenge in my setup. If I still had the 5600G I would try it, ran super cool. My 4650G got wrecked by a week of 1.4V but now I would be confident enough to give it another try.

Way back I think I talked to another 4650G SFF user running 1.45V VSOC to compensate for iGPU lol. A russian fellow with a nice instagram account I still follow. I hope his chip is still alive lol