Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[GoldenX]

Put 1000 on everything and enjoy unlimited power.
On my 1200, 3450MHz is pretty tame.

 

[robot zombie]

Out with the 1200 and in with the 2600! Honestly it's a little overkill for me but I felt like I had to have it. More than double the number = 200%+ performance, right?

I usually don't bother with the stock cooler... ...always had my H7. Tried it for fun. Nobody told me this thing is actually good! Hell of a deal when you consider that the stock cooling solution actually works very well. Not super-amazing given that it's a 65w TDP chip, but pretty nice. You can now have a 6c/12t chip running up to 3.9ghz and put it under heavy loads with the stock cooler without cooking anything! That counts for something.

In my short time with it, the performance boost is pretty noticeable. I'm impressed. Now this is a CPU! Glad I bought it, and I'm sure it's only gonna get better over time, as I continue to really put it to work.

I look forward to putting this chip through its paces. For now, I'm simply running it stock. All I've done is take my HyperX Fury 2400 up to 2800. Little bump to DRAM voltage and SOC got it there, at a slightly looser 16-16-16-39. Not sure I wanna push it higher for latency/stability issues. I don't see these hitting 3000, let alone 3200, but I suppose you never know. Definitely not budging too much on the SOC - don't like messing with it too much outside of limit-testing. If it won't do it at ~1v SOC (not there yet,) it's no good to me - not for 24hr. Rather just have better-spec'd ram from the jump. I'll play with all of that when I have some time, before I get to OCing the chip. For now, I just wanted to get going with something I knew would work.

I'm sure I'll find a much better config. I'm not sure I understand the tradeoff with zen chips just yet... I know that infinity fabric likes high memory clocks. Just not sure where the point is that the fabric performance boost is potentially counteracted by latency added from looser timings. I'm guessing speed means a lot more here, Ryzen is special like that lol. But latency doesn't matter less just because speed happens to matter more - still two sides of the same coin. Of course I'll see for myself, but if anyone can help explain that little oddity to me I'd appreciate it.

I'll probably upgrade the RAM in the future anyway. These sticks have some slightly iffy contacts from dust damage and I want to go to 16gb and use these two 4gb sticks in the same machine the 1200's going to... ...but I digress.

I have the aforementioned, dreaded Strix x370-f, so I'll have to see how that affects things. I actually like this board so far, so I'm hoping for the best. I want to believe its a solid 6-phase, midrange board. I really do.

I almost don't care if the OC pans out amazingly well. Skimming through benchmarks it looks like it could be worth pushing, but out of the box it runs pretty damned efficient and boosts right up to 3.9ghz. That's pretty good afaic. What am I gonna get realistically? 4.1? 4.2? Is the lower thermal headroom worth the gains? This setup runs pretty quiet right now for the performance I get. I dunno, I've deinitely gotta see cuz it's like how when you buy a new car or a new subwoofer you gotta push it a little, but with this particular chip I'm kinda getting the feeling that it's nicely balanced as-is, even not being "tuned" and binned like the x-version. Not sure the boost is worth it for me. I went with the non-x to get a little extra efficiency for not too much performance loss and $60 in savings. To me it's worth it, without OCing, as much as I like to OC. I've never not overclocked when possible.

I'm getting this feeling... ...it's hard to explain... the last time I felt like this, I had just got a Phenom II. Maybe it doesn't OC like those guys did, but it feels the same. It's a good time to be in the market for a new CPU when one like this can be had for $165. I'm starting to feel like I chose a really, really good time to get back into building PC's.

 

[GoldenX]

Good, with the current BIOS I can reach 3333MHz on RAM, not bad from the 2400 stock.

 

[robot zombie]

Good, with the current BIOS I can reach 3333MHz on RAM, not bad from the 2400 stock.

Nice, I was able to hit 3200 with my Strix X370-F with HyperX Fury 2400mhz. Apparently micron made these. Don't see many people talking about micron. They can be had pretty cheap, so I'm happy. Upper 2000s-lower 3000s seems to be a nice sweet spot from what I've seen. If you can get there, no real need for more. Though I guess it's nice to have more if you're buying new sticks. If I could hit 3800 plus I'd be pretty happy, I guess, but 3200 doesn't feel bad! I often wonder where the point of diminishing returns is... ...where memory clock is no longer the bottleneck. Still trying to discern where the latency hit isn't really worth it anymore and I'm just fooling myself into thinking I'm progressing.

And hey, not fantastic timings - not at all, but not awful. I'm sitting at 16-16-16-39... ...could play with subtimings more to probably get faster clocks without messing with those - counterbalance the latency somewhat. Strangely enough I didn't have to bump up primary timings at all past 2800. It's tested and stable so far, so I'm counting my blessings.

RAM overclocking has never been my thing, so it's nice to know I can get the speeds my new Ryzen 2 seems to like easily with what I already have. I mean, $80 pair of ram that clocks right up to 3200mhz with a little DRAM voltage and fairly reasonable SOC bump. 1.05v SOC if I'm not mistaken - though readings are .95ish on everything I've seen. Whether it's more or less, I don't know, which is why I hate messing with SOC. The line of no return is really fine and the ways of determining your actual voltage are not so fine, heh. Not to mention the actual number is tied to other variables that I may later go messing with, only not to realize my SOC went up close to the red zone in tandem.

Was gonna upgrade to a better pair of 8's for more capacity and tighter timings. But now I may just snag another pair of these 4's and hope for the best. 16GB will benefit me more in working with VSTi's than faster speeds will at this point.

 

[Mussels]

new bios for my MSI x370 as well, time to re-do all my settings again....

 

[GoldenX]

Rolling back to Windows 7 due to my mouse's drivers being shit on Win10 (both LTSB and normie pro edition), and me being an stubborn idiot who want's it's 11 buttons working.
Let's see the performance penalty.

 

[YautjaLord]

Got me new M.2 NVMe SSD: 960 Pro. 850 Pro wiped clean off of OS (Win 10) after i cloned it to 960 Pro with Samsung Data Migration Tool, best part - i can still OC my 1700X. So far it's @ 3.8GHz, but who said i won't go for 3.9GHz just like it used to be? VCore @ 1.375v, SoC - 1.0v, VCore & SoC LLCs @ Turbo.

 

[robot zombie]

Played around a bunch with OCing this thing. Didn't get far at all. I'm stuck with the stock cooler for the moment... ...my dumbass didn't realize I was out of thermal paste!

I was able to boot up to 4.3 in offset mode with LLC level 4. Was peaking ~1.42v under max load. With idle temps ~45 and 65-80 under general load . Showed small signs of instability. But hey it booted and things worked! Absolutely not prime95 stable... ...maybe 2 minutes before thermal shutdown. With much, much more cooling it might fly. I was able to run things like timespy and superposition just fine. Completed userbenchmark and scored in the 99th percentile on the CPU lmao. No way I'll actually manage that. 4.2 seems likely, though.

Much preferring to do it in offset mode so it still clocks down and power goes down. Running at max clocks all of the time just makes it all kinds of hot under load. With manual voltage, I couldn't even stress test at 4.1ghz because of thermal shutdown. Not to mention it's actually more stable volt for volt. Don't ask me how. An OC of 4.1ghz at a manual voltage of 1.35 isn't stable, but when the offset is pushing it up to that same voltage max, it actually runs Prime 95. Got me on why. Longest I went was 30 minutes because temps were approaching 90C and it was throttling like hell. Poor little stock cooler can't handle it. My preference for offset will probably change with a proper cooler on there. I haven't fiddled enough, yet.

Doubt the H7 will handle it much better. So I've got a beefier Scythe Mugen MAX on the way, with AM4 adapter. Considered beefier, better performing coolers, but couldn't resist the look of it. Oldie but a goodie. A good lil bit beefier than the H7, too.

Maybe when I get that installed I'll shoot for 4.3ghz. I'm sure it's possible to do that 24/7 with lucky silicon and custom loop. This cooler is not that, hah. Though I suspect that I have a good chip, here. I just wanna see if I can hit 4.3 and stress test long enough to verify baseline stability. I'll be happy with that.

I'd be happy with 4.2 or even 4.1. The jump in scores across different benches from stock 3.9 boost to a 4.2v OC were pretty impressive. Frame rates on the timespy CPU test nearly doubled. I'll mess with manual voltage again, too... ...see what the vdroop situation really is with the LLC settings. We'll see.

Honestly I'm very happy with it stock. Not even sure this cooler is enough to push more than a warm, cozy 4.1, even if 4.2 winds up being stable. I just don't want to pack anything bigger in an S340 Elite just for a little overclock - even with 4 Corsair ML140's, it's still just an S340. Who knows? Maybe 2 better 140mm fans on the cooler will help.

Not sure how far I really wanna go, just wanna see, yanno? It's all just for a little fun. I swear I am a responsible human being. I know it probably won't work.

 

[GoldenX]

Ryzen Master only changes the last P-State, keeping frequencies low on idle.

The performance penalty on 7 is HUGE, even with the updates unlocked. Tested War Thunder, what I'm currently playing, and on the same spot W7 gets 42FPS, W10, 92.

 

[robot zombie]

Ryzen Master only changes the last P-State, keeping frequencies low on idle.

Hmmm, I'll give it a shot. I'm weird. I really like to stick to doing everything I can in the BIOS. ASUS has great fan control software, but I don't use it. I only used it to set all of my curves initially, before I copied them over into the BIOS

Anything to keep the low idle going, though. To me, it's just not worth it otherwise. The power consumption and heat jump is massive without it. At that point I'd rather let it boost up to 3.9 and call it a day. Haven't really played with Ryzen Master yet. Like I said, not how I usually like to operate. Thanks for the tip, though. I did not know that about it.

The performance penalty on 7 is HUGE, even with the updates unlocked. Tested War Thunder, what I'm currently playing, and on the same spot W7 gets 42FPS, W10, 92.

Ouch man, that really hurts. How is it that bad?

 

[Mussels]

damnit i really want like a 2600x or something when i see you guys so easily at 4.3Ghz, and i'm stuck at 3.8 before temps get out of hand

 

[GoldenX]

Hmmm, I'll give it a shot. I'm weird. I really like to stick to doing everything I can in the BIOS. ASUS has great fan control software, but I don't use it. I only used it to set all of my curves initially, before I copied them over into the BIOS

Anything to keep the low idle going, though. To me, it's just not worth it otherwise. The power consumption and heat jump is massive without it. At that point I'd rather let it boost up to 3.9 and call it a day. Haven't really played with Ryzen Master yet. Like I said, not how I usually like to operate. Thanks for the tip, though. I did not know that about it.


Ouch man, that really hurts. How is it that bad?

I configure everything in BIOS (RAM freq, voltage and latencies, fans, PBO), except CPU multiplier and voltage, then do two profiles for those settings on Ryzen Master, one at 1,35v and another at 1,45v (max for 24/7 and max recommended). You get the best of both options.

I'm back on W10 LTSB, waiting for Steam Play to mature, so I can finally ditch Windows.

 

[robot zombie]

damnit i really want like a 2600x or something when i see you guys so easily at 4.3Ghz, and i'm stuck at 3.8 before temps get out of hand

Yeah, seems like the switch to 12nm really paid off with them. Both 2nd gen 5's are killer! That clock speed jump was a big factor in my upgrade, hehe. They definitely do run cooler, even if voltages needed still seem highish. It's pulling that clock off under prime95 at 75C, with that itty bitty cooler. Definitely can't see that with a 1600.

Though TBH, I dunno if I'll really be lucky enough to hit a "comfortable" 4.3, myself. It could probably pretty easily be made totally stable with tweaking, but heat is still a problem getting much further past 1.35v. Stock cooler craps out fast and temps surge. It would probably take a good 20-30C drop from stock cooler to make it possible for me. Might get there. Regular 2600 only comes with the wraith stealth cooler after all. 4.2v I'm fairly sure I can do with the Scythe cooler.

But wait... ...don't you have a 1700 already? What're you complaining about over there?

I configure everything in BIOS (RAM freq, voltage and latencies, fans, PBO), except CPU multiplier and voltage, then do two profiles for those settings on Ryzen Master, one at 1,35v and another at 1,45v (max for 24/7 and max recommended). You get the best of both options.

Smart way to go. I'll definitely try that out.

You mentioned 1.45 as max reccomended, hah. I think I'd do 1.42 at the most, if my cooler can even handle that. Doesn't AMD reccomed to stay below 1.5? I remember coming across that as being the starting degradtion point. I'm sure 1.45 is fine. I think people get a little silly - I've seen people recommend max voltages lower than what straight up factory boost will push - don't think people realize how high the X's will go all on their own. But still I think I'll try to avoid that past trying to hit max possible clock speed. After that I'll probably lower it down to whatever runs stable a +/-1.4. And from there if it's boost up a lil for an extra 100ghz or stay put and turn down, I'll happily bring the voltage down, hah.

I'm back on W10 LTSB, waiting for Steam Play to mature, so I can finally ditch Windows.

Honestly, as much as I really like W10 I'd probably do the same. I don't for the same reason. And also because the audio software I frequently use still has poor multithreading support on linux versions. Be sad to have a 2600 and not take full advantage of it for things like that. :/

 

[biffzinker]

Mine will easily Post at 4.3 GHz then boot Windows without any BSOD but as soon I attempt any benchmark or stress test it freezes/bsod. One of the cores isn't having any it. Was messing around with 4 cores (2 disabled) got up to 4.2 GHz.

 

[GoldenX]

Mmm, can't Ryzen Master set individual cores or CCXs? Haven't tested that.

 

[Mussels]

But wait... ...don't you have a 1700 already? What're you complaining about over there?

GHz is king for many titles still

 

[robot zombie]

Mmm, can't Ryzen Master set individual cores or CCXs? Haven't tested that.

Sure looks like you can. Just looking at this software, I'm starting to think "Why didn't I try this?" Installed it the day I dropped in my 2600 and never looked at it again lol.

GHz is king for many titles still

Ahh, fair enough. I can see how zen 2 would be better for gaming, in general. I myself have just saw the difference a bump of just a few hundred gigs makes in 3dMark CPU tests. Definitely not to be ignored.

 

[robot zombie]

I don't know why I say Zen 2 when I mean Zen+. They say only idiots complain about naming conventions. Trust me, I'm an idiot, so...

Sat down for my first real OC session with the 2600 today. Having a bit of a cooling problem atm. One of my two Corsair ML140's lost PWM last week and so I'm getting by with one intake fan. I think when I drop in the replacement I'll also try moving my GPU down to the middle slot, to make a little more room around the decently chunky Scythe Mugen MAX. I can see already I'm gonna have to do what I can to open up airflow in this S340 Elite.

May even go so far as to swap out the NZXT stock exhaust fans. Half considering a Noctua NF-A14 ippc 3000 for a CPU fan. I think that'll make more of a difference than anything. Noise shmoise. The fan that came with this cooler is quiet but I know a heatsink like this can pull more than this away - AMD's stock heatsinks look and perform like urinal cakes next to this deluxe sandwich that barely fits under the front panel. Guess it couldn't hurt to have something better than stock NZXT fans for exhaust, too. My worst performing fans are right up next to it in this midsize ATX while my best ones are furthest off... ...can't expect much to happen there.

All things considered temps are acceptable even with one less intake. With two and the stock fan I couldn't even stress test 4.1 ghz without pushing 90s. But I can tell I'm gonna need more Celsius if I'm to hit 4.3 on this build. Not a ton. Probably 10 degrees. The most I wanna see on average is 85C. Smaller peaks at 90 are I guess okay. I see 95 and I shut it down. 75 on midrange air makes me happy inside.

Here's where I'm at right now...

About what I expected. Prime95 temps are a little lower. Plenty of volage headroom, but just playing around, it's going to take a significant bump to hit 4.3. And by then temps will not be even remotely there. I can run stable at 4.25 ghz but it takes 1.325v. And I'm sure it's gonna increase exponentially every 25mhz the whole way up.

Honestly the Strix X370-F aint that bad. No PBO or anything, but the bios is otherwise really solid and responsive. The 6-phase VRM definitely has headroom left - one thing I really like about it is that it has a relatively beefy VRM with really quality components. The LLC is kind of annoying, though. Level 5 gets me closest, but it swings under AND over by .12, though it mostly sits pretty much right on point. Take it down to level 4 and it droops by almost .03. Upping the switching frequency helps a little. 450 helps level it out. Might almost totally flatten out at 550... ...but temps man. All in all I feel kinda meh about that. Best part is again the fact that it's a real 6-phase and temps are better. Still a good board to me! Not as fancy as the others, but solid core performance. All that's left to see is how it handles overclocking good memory.

Looking at upgrading that RAM. HyperX Fury 2400. Micron. It does okay. Don't wanna keep pushing SOC. I'm over 1.14 and 1.35 dram to get okay timings at 3000mhz and I'm sure it isn't helping temps at all - not to mention I can only see set voltage, not actual, so I have no idea what's really happening. Bah.

I can actually go higher with tighter timings and have it pass memtest. But oddly enough, the only way to keep CPU stable in that scenario is to up vcore... ...like a full tenth of a volt higher. Don't ask me, it just is. I spent hours on it. I was running into that problem initially, thinking "Geez why am I at 1.4 just to hit 4.1 with no errors!" I could lower clocks and get reasonabler voltages, but ultimately what allowed me to get under 1.3v for 4.225 with no errors was taking the ram down a little. And actually if I wanted to run a straight 4.2 I can do it at 2.65v with peak temps of 69 in IBT. Low 60's for everything else. Which honestly to me, is looking like my daily.


We'll see what the winds of case fans bring my way though. Not too hopeful for a true 4.3, but I can't know just yet.

I think this is it for now. I'll try again when I figure out what I want to do about my cooling situation. Though honestly the case is my biggest limitation right now. This CPU cooler can only do so much in such space.


Also, of all the benchmarks I've been running, IBT is the most brutal. If anything is gonna kick up errors, overheat, or straight up lock things up, it's that. Even small FFT's have a lower temp ceiling. P95 blend is a cakewalk... ...I can "pass" that at 4.3/1.35v with 1 error an hour, though I'm hitting 90C. I may do 3-4 linpacks before either freezing or entering thermal shutdown. With a little more cooling it could *seem* to work. Seem...

 

[AlwaysHope]

@robot zombie, isn't Kingston HyperX Fury - mostly Hynix chips? according to QVL list for my B450 board, MSI think it is.

 

[robot zombie]

Maybe they are now. According the SPD, these were made EOY 2017 and the DRAM manufacturer was Micron.

KHX2400C14D4/4G is the model.

 

[AlwaysHope]

I don't know why I say Zen 2 when I mean Zen+. They say only idiots complain about naming conventions. Trust me, I'm an idiot, so...

Sat down for my first real OC session with the 2600 today. Having a bit of a cooling problem atm. One of my two Corsair ML140's lost PWM last week and so I'm getting by with one intake fan. I think when I drop in the replacement I'll also try moving my GPU down to the middle slot, to make a little more room around the decently chunky Scythe Mugen MAX. I can see already I'm gonna have to do what I can to open up airflow in this S340 Elite.

May even go so far as to swap out the NZXT stock exhaust fans. Half considering a Noctua NF-A14 ippc 3000 for a CPU fan. I think that'll make more of a difference than anything. Noise shmoise. The fan that came with this cooler is quiet but I know a heatsink like this can pull more than this away - AMD's stock heatsinks look and perform like urinal cakes next to this deluxe sandwich that barely fits under the front panel. Guess it couldn't hurt to have something better than stock NZXT fans for exhaust, too. My worst performing fans are right up next to it in this midsize ATX while my best ones are furthest off... ...can't expect much to happen there.

All things considered temps are acceptable even with one less intake. With two and the stock fan I couldn't even stress test 4.1 ghz without pushing 90s. But I can tell I'm gonna need more Celsius if I'm to hit 4.3 on this build. Not a ton. Probably 10 degrees. The most I wanna see on average is 85C. Smaller peaks at 90 are I guess okay. I see 95 and I shut it down. 75 on midrange air makes me happy inside.

Here's where I'm at right now...
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About what I expected. Prime95 temps are a little lower. Plenty of volage headroom, but just playing around, it's going to take a significant bump to hit 4.3. And by then temps will not be even remotely there. I can run stable at 4.25 ghz but it takes 1.325v. And I'm sure it's gonna increase exponentially every 25mhz the whole way up.

Honestly the Strix X370-F aint that bad. No PBO or anything, but the bios is otherwise really solid and responsive. The 6-phase VRM definitely has headroom left - one thing I really like about it is that it has a relatively beefy VRM with really quality components. The LLC is kind of annoying, though. Level 5 gets me closest, but it swings under AND over by .12, though it mostly sits pretty much right on point. Take it down to level 4 and it droops by almost .03. Upping the switching frequency helps a little. 450 helps level it out. Might almost totally flatten out at 550... ...but temps man. All in all I feel kinda meh about that. Best part is again the fact that it's a real 6-phase and temps are better. Still a good board to me! Not as fancy as the others, but solid core performance. All that's left to see is how it handles overclocking good memory.

Looking at upgrading that RAM. HyperX Fury 2400. Micron. It does okay. Don't wanna keep pushing SOC. I'm over 1.14 and 1.35 dram to get okay timings at 3000mhz and I'm sure it isn't helping temps at all - not to mention I can only see set voltage, not actual, so I have no idea what's really happening. Bah.

I can actually go higher with tighter timings and have it pass memtest. But oddly enough, the only way to keep CPU stable in that scenario is to up vcore... ...like a full tenth of a volt higher. Don't ask me, it just is. I spent hours on it. I was running into that problem initially, thinking "Geez why am I at 1.4 just to hit 4.1 with no errors!" I could lower clocks and get reasonabler voltages, but ultimately what allowed me to get under 1.3v for 4.225 with no errors was taking the ram down a little. And actually if I wanted to run a straight 4.2 I can do it at 2.65v with peak temps of 69 in IBT. Low 60's for everything else. Which honestly to me, is looking like my daily.


We'll see what the winds of case fans bring my way though. Not too hopeful for a true 4.3, but I can't know just yet.

I think this is it for now. I'll try again when I figure out what I want to do about my cooling situation. Though honestly the case is my biggest limitation right now. This CPU cooler can only do so much in such space.


Also, of all the benchmarks I've been running, IBT is the most brutal. If anything is gonna kick up errors, overheat, or straight up lock things up, it's that. Even small FFT's have a lower temp ceiling. P95 blend is a cakewalk... ...I can "pass" that at 4.3/1.35v with 1 error an hour, though I'm hitting 90C. I may do 3-4 linpacks before either freezing or entering thermal shutdown. With a little more cooling it could *seem* to work. Seem...

You know, that's the thing with stress testing OC Zen+, AMD quote 95C thermal limit.... but honestly, that is way above what older AM3+ chips were. Heck, my old FX-8350 topped out at 61C according to AMD & when I see my OC testing on 2600X hitting above 80C, I get nervous & shut it down.
I mean seriously, that is F******* HOT!

A die shrink maybe it is, but something just doesn't sit right with me when I see temps approaching 95C.

In any case, I'm thinking of adapting my old Cryorig R1 Ultimate to AM4 platform. That cooler did wonders for my supposedly "Hot" running OC FX-8350, that is the FX series were "Hot" according to the majority of the OC community.

 

[Dinnercore]

You know, that's the thing with stress testing OC Zen+, AMD quote 95C thermal limit.... but honestly, that is way above what older AM3+ chips were. Heck, my old FX-8350 topped out at 61C according to AMD & when I see my OC testing on 2600X hitting above 80C, I get nervous & shut it down.
I mean seriously, that is F******* HOT!

A die shrink maybe it is, but something just doesn't sit right with me when I see temps approaching 95C.

In any case, I'm thinking of adapting my old Cryorig R1 Ultimate to AM4 platform. That cooler did wonders for my supposedly "Hot" running OC FX-8350, that is the FX series were "Hot" according to the majority of the OC community.

I know how it feels when you are in this upper temp range and just feel uncomfortable with it. But the FX-Series CPUs had a real issue with their temp sensors reporting impossibly low temps. My FX that I had for 5 years reported 14-17°C in idle (normal air cooler) while the room temp was at 26°C. Under full load, with OC and some overvoltage it still claimed 56°C max with that 26°C ambient... That was when I decided to not try and OC this thing because you have no clue what really is going on in there.

For a stress test on Zen / Zen+, I would say peaks in the 80s are ok. 90s would scare me a bit, especially if it starts to spit out errors. If you game you will usually never see it get that high so might still be ok if you don´t render with this overnight. I would only worry about 80°C and up if you decide to use that CPU for 24/7 full workload e.g. rendering a big project. And if you do that, I would double check VRM temps, because that was what caused me to loose the first 3 overnight renders, since it climbed up over a certain point and became so unstable that it crashed. Not even 3 140mm intake and 3 exhaust fans for maximum airflow helped, because that heatsink was so flat on the board that I had to point the fan directly at it in order to work. Damn MSI, just 20 cents worth of aluminium more would have helped me out there.
To clear things up, that was on my 1800x build not the threadripper. My current system is just fine with the VRM.

 

[robot zombie]

You know, that's the thing with stress testing OC Zen+, AMD quote 95C thermal limit.... but honestly, that is way above what older AM3+ chips were. Heck, my old FX-8350 topped out at 61C according to AMD & when I see my OC testing on 2600X hitting above 80C, I get nervous & shut it down.
I mean seriously, that is F******* HOT!

A die shrink maybe it is, but something just doesn't sit right with me when I see temps approaching 95C.

I know what you mean. It's sort of built into me that its never okay to let your CPU get hot enough to make spaghetti with... ...no rice cooker overclocks allowed in my house.

I'm working my way past it. In reality I'm sure it's not a huge deal... ...AMD knows what they're doing. For whatever reason the new ones are closer to intel, temperature-wise.
I would expect that if they spec them up to 95, then that shouldn't kill them all on its own. I'm sure running it there continuously would do some damage, though. For synthetic stress testing I try not to be upset. There has to be a good reason for it. Stay decently below that and it should be okay... ...is what I tell myself. I think just don't make a habit of going up to Tmax, or worse, set it up to reach that at absolute max loads, and it should be fine. If you ever see anything near that peak, it will be brief. Stress testing isn't exactly something you do all of the time! You just do it until you get things working how you want them to. And then you'll probably never do them again.

I also try to remind myself that the kinds of loads I'm actually putting on it won't produce temps nearly that high. If I'm seeing 85 in IBT or whatever, then I'm probably seeing closer to 70-75 under a max usage scenario for me - on average even lower than that. It's not gonna surge up to p95 temps out of nowhere while gaming or something. You'll know when that's coming. AFAIC if I needed to do some really heavy duty stuff, I could setup a toned-down profile in Ryzen Master. Or maybe just turn the thermostat down

In any case, I'm thinking of adapting my old Cryorig R1 Ultimate to AM4 platform. That cooler did wonders for my supposedly "Hot" running OC FX-8350, that is the FX series were "Hot" according to the majority of the OC community.

I was looking at that exact cooler, myself. That or a Scythe Fuma. If you get it set-up, lemme know how it works out for you. Personally the only reason I didn't get it is because it would basically be right up against both exhaust fans in my case. Just a little too big. That's why I went for the Mugen. Closer to an H5 but I like the look a little more. Not exactly Noctua territory, but not an H7 either. The H7 wouldn't do squat for this thing, and I'll never reccomend anything that size for a Ryzen 5 and up lol. After seeing what I've seen, it blows my mind that people actually claim things like that or the hyper 212 are okay for the upper shelf Ryzens. I just can't see something that small making a dent... ...specially for the X models.

I'm sure the R1 cools phenomenally, though. It better, being that huge!

 

[GoldenX]

I had a 212+ and had to sell it because it's impossible to get those free Coolermaster AM4 brackets here... The Wraith Stealth is pretty nice, thankfully.

 

[robot zombie]

I had a 212+ and had to sell it because it's impossible to get those free Coolermaster AM4 brackets here... The Wraith Stealth is pretty nice, thankfully.

I'd wager that it's fairly comparable. For Ryzen 3, I'm sure it works out great - you probably get some overclocking headroom.

My experience with it on the 2600 is that as an out of the box cooler it's perfect. It runs stock settings very, very well. Temps reaching maybe upper 60's - lower 70's under max workload. But if you want to do any overclocking, it absolutely cannot handle it. Rapid thermal runaway at voltage needed for 4ghz.

Though to be fair, I think it's pretty cool that AMD actually provides a nice looking downdraft cooler that actually works well when used as intended. The Spire and Prism are legitimately impressive, too. Don't see that often at all. I remember when you basically took any CPU cooler you got in the box and immediately threw it in the trash. And people complained that it was included because it added to the price.