Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[phill]

@phill: Hello to new blood. jk 'ssup & welcome.

To all. Few pics of monoblock sitting on motherboard before & after i assembled the entire rig & before i filled it with blood red cryofuel coolant & distilled water:
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Shot with Galaxy A6 cam, as usual.

Thanks for the welcome I'll have to scroll and read through the 40 + pages this thread has at some point but until I get ready to buy two motherboards and two coolers for the 1700X's, I'll sit back and read as much as I can

Has anyone had/having any really bad things happen with their Ryzen setups at all?

 

[Mussels]

closest to a bad thing i had was my MSI x370 had overheating VRM's with my 1700 at 1.4v - needed a fan on them to stop throttling

 

[robot zombie]

After much twatting about I've managed to get my G Skill TridentZ 3000Mhz (15-16-16-35) 2x8GB to 3133Mhz (14, 15, 16, 28) stable. Should I stick or twist? Is it worth it to go for higher clocks and sacrifice some timings (Not Samsung stuff)?

If you're just wondering whether that config is sufficient, I'd say it's not bad! You're not really handicapping yourself at that point and that's a nice gain.

Not sure what the general limits are for your RAM, but it's worth a shot. Low primaries are usually more desirable, but with Ryzen there are still benefits to be had up a little past that speed. Personally, I would try for it and put it through the paces - see what the performance difference actually is. I don't think there's a hard line where latency offsets the benefits of IF running faster. And that aside they are different aspects of system performance, with different tradeoffs. It's a matter of which improvement is more beneficial to you. I think when not taking huge hits to latency, most would sacrifice a little past where you're at to get more IF boost. I probably would.

IME performance tends to go up in synthetics when you up the RAM speed, within reason. If the latency doesn't go up more than a couple of ns per bump-up, you'll typically see improvements. AIDA64 will tell a part of that story. Secondary timings play a pretty big role, especially when you're moving up from primaries at the tighter end of what your RAM can do.

Every RAM has its places it likes to be run at. For instance, my RAM performs better @ 3466/16 than it does 3200/14. No matter how I try, the latency always winds up a little higher and the speeds significantly slower - essentially there is a wall for me @ CL14 that keeps me from tightening down everything else enough to make the compromise worth it. I think this is because the secondaries I can push at CL16 are relatively tighter. Infinity fabric benefits from the added speed and overall latency actually goes down just a tiny little bit. All in all, it performs that much better.

Strange, but true. My board/IMC has troubles with RAM overclocking, which probably explains the wonkiness there, but things like that can happen. Throw logic out the window, try different configs, measure performance. There are gonna be sweet spots - and sometimes there really is no logic to it at all.

Who knows? Maybe there's a point a little further up where you can increase speeds disproportionately more relative to the loss you have in timing tightness. Can't hurt to try. What do you have to lose but your sanity?

 

[phill]

I was wondering if anyone has these motherboards with their Ryzen CPUs?

ASRock AMD Ryzen X470 Taichi Ultimate
ASUS AMD Ryzen ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO AC WiFi
ASUS ROG AMD Ryzen CROSSHAIR VII HERO
ASRock AMD Ryzen X470 Taichi

I was curious if anyone had any good bad or indifferent experiences/opinions of the boards?

 

[dhklopp]

Thanks for such a detailed response RZ. I reckon I'll have a few beers tomorrow and mess around with some higher clocks and see how it fares up.

 

[Johan45]

I have the Hero wifi, just did this with it today, I also had the msi x470 gaming m7 ac which was a really nice board too

 

[phill]

I have the Hero wifi, just did this with it today, I also had the msi x470 gaming m7 ac which was a really nice board too

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Unfortunately there's only a like button, but man that is some crazy good scoring from a 2700X Now if only they could run at those speeds with air cooling, Intel would have a massive fight on their hands... Amazing

 

[YautjaLord]

I have the Hero wifi, just did this with it today, I also had the msi x470 gaming m7 ac which was a really nice board too

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Can it hit 6.0 with what i got? (EK-FB GA-AX370 Gaming monoblock) jk Looks nuts, both the score & frequencies.

More interested in how my current (1700X) & soon-to-be-purchased 2700X fare gainst 8700K (will also buy that one, along with parts/components necessary for this rig). 8700K rig specs:
Case: HAF X;
Mobo: GA-Z370-Gaming 7;
SSD: Samsung 960 Pro;
OS: Win 10 Pro;
Rest will be from my 1700X/soon 2700X rig , RAM, PSU, graphics card, etc.... At some point will also buy EK-FB GA-Z270/Z370 Gaming monoblock for the mobo, hey - you do want be as unbiased as you can with people viewing your content, so yeah, aside from some physical differences (CPU, mobo, monoblock) rest will match between 2 rigs. Cheers.

 

[Johan45]

That's Intel's advantage is speed. Clock for clock the Ryzen will beat the intel in many benchmarks. I ran PCM7 yesterday as well and AMD has a huge advantage because of the decrypting abilities built into it. Just too bad you need LN2 to unleash it. Even then it's limited in speed to the mid 5 GHz range where Intel in the same cooling is mid 6 GHz

 

[Vya Domus]

Turns out I can hit 4 Ghz , still on just 1.35V. This sort of baffles me, I would always see people pushing upwards of 1.45-1.5 to get past 3.9.

Though I have to say I only stress test using the FPU test on AIDA64 as I find it the closest to reality in terms of load.

 

[phill]

That's Intel's advantage is speed. Clock for clock the Ryzen will beat the intel in many benchmarks. I ran PCM7 yesterday as well and AMD has a huge advantage because of the decrypting abilities built into it. Just too bad you need LN2 to unleash it. Even then it's limited in speed to the mid 5 GHz range where Intel in the same cooling is mid 6 GHz

I think the Ryzen CPU is an amazing CPU, I'm so pleased they have stepped up their game Who do you bench for @Johan45 ?

 

[Johan45]

I think the Ryzen CPU is an amazing CPU, I'm so pleased they have stepped up their game Who do you bench for @Johan45 ?

I'm a team captain at Overclockers.com, I also do all the AMD reviews

Turns out I can hit 4 Ghz , still on just 1.35V. This sort of baffles me, I would always see people pushing upwards of 1.45-1.5 to get past 3.9.

Though I have to say I only stress test using the FPU test on AIDA64 as I find it the closest to reality in terms of load.

Some of the newer chips were better, maybe you got lucky. Voltage requirements will rise with memory speed as well and Ryzen can be tricky to get completely stable just because of all the I/O built into the die.

 

[phill]

I'm a team captain at Overclockers.com, I also do all the AMD reviews

Some of the newer chips were better, maybe you got lucky. Voltage requirements will rise with memory speed as well and Ryzen can be tricky to get completely stable just because of all the I/O built into the die.

I used to bench for Midlifegamers Believe some still do it like Nick and 8 Pack here and there but otherwise, I've not really kept a look out for things going on

Some very nice scores your getting there Do you have a favourite test to do for benching?

 

[Johan45]

I always liked PCMark5 but they have since taken points away for it. It was a tweakers dream that one. PCM7 is OK and Ryzen really kicks it on that one. http://hwbot.org/submission/3955966_

 

[phill]

Very nice Had a few good scores in PC Mark 05, was one of the higher 920 D0s if I remember.. Been a while since I've been on there looking up scores.. How far up the ladder are you @Johan45 ? Top 10?

 

[ne6togadno]

I was wondering if anyone has these motherboards with their Ryzen CPUs?

ASRock AMD Ryzen X470 Taichi Ultimate
ASUS AMD Ryzen ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO AC WiFi
ASUS ROG AMD Ryzen CROSSHAIR VII HERO
ASRock AMD Ryzen X470 Taichi

I was curious if anyone had any good bad or indifferent experiences/opinions of the boards?

i dont think feature difference between taichi and ultimate worth the price difference https://www.asrock.com/mb/compare.us.asp?Models=X470 Taichi,X470 Taichi Ultimate
i've settled with taichi as debug codes and dual lan are not in my must have list
i've never looked at CH as it is a bit pricey for me but 10-12 euro difference for wifi looks reasonable if this is the only difference between between both.

 

[YautjaLord]

That's Intel's advantage is speed. Clock for clock the Ryzen will beat the intel in many benchmarks. I ran PCM7 yesterday as well and AMD has a huge advantage because of the decrypting abilities built into it. Just too bad you need LN2 to unleash it. Even then it's limited in speed to the mid 5 GHz range where Intel in the same cooling is mid 6 GHz

Further down the OC road i'm thinking of having LN2 in my life @ some point, don't take me on the word yet, though, at least not this or even large part of next year. Suffice to say i'm doing research on this stuff for now.

To all: here's something funny, you all ready for it? OBS, yes - OBS - as in an awesome recording app/software that is free of charge, causing the CPU-Z bench & Cinebench R15 scores to drop, cause it eats/chews up on CPU's resources quite heavily. Ran each app (CPU-Z bench & R15) with & without OBS running in background - differences quite noticeable, doesn't affect temps on the CPU when recording PRime95's Small FFTs test though.

 

[Vya Domus]

I've been meaning to ask for a while, what temperatures do you all reckon are within acceptable limits ?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

@Vya Domus

Are all cores hitting that voltage? Its definitely high but XFR will sometimes do that to a couple cores on its own. Not direly concerning but i would definitely be looking at getting that down. 1.5 is the max allowed. Most shoot to be .05 lower than that at max. Personally i would be nervous just because theres no telling if the voltage applied is even higher, yanno? 1.42 is good for a high overclock. 1.4ish is common.

69 is fine. Ryzen officially throttles at 95C and anything decently below that is good. Though my experience is that 80 or above is a problem. Maybe it wont damage anything but most people start having major stability problems past that point.


Not sure what that is... maybe an offset. Ryzen master always displays the correct core temperature. You can trust that.

And believe me if you hit 95 for real youd know. Ime being stupid everything tends to up and shut down right away.

To save time

 

[Johan45]

Further down the OC road i'm thinking of having LN2 in my life @ some point, don't take me on the word yet, though, at least not this or even large part of next year. Suffice to say i'm doing research on this stuff for now.

To all: here's something funny, you all ready for it? OBS, yes - OBS - as in an awesome recording app/software that is free of charge, causing the CPU-Z bench & Cinebench R15 scores to drop, cause it eats/chews up on CPU's resources quite heavily. Ran each app (CPU-Z bench & R15) with & without OBS running in background - differences quite noticeable, doesn't affect temps on the CPU when recording PRime95's Small FFTs test though.

Getting into LN2 is expensive with the dewar and the pot alone you're looking at ~ $800 if you can find a deal on the dewar.

Very nice Had a few good scores in PC Mark 05, was one of the higher 920 D0s if I remember.. Been a while since I've been on there looking up scores.. How far up the ladder are you @Johan45 ? Top 10?

Not top ten #3 in Canada and # 7 on the team. I know TPU has kind of folded the benching team if you're bored come on over to OCF and join our team. We can always use more talent

 

[YautjaLord]

Getting into LN2 is expensive with the dewar and the pot alone you're looking at ~ $800 if you can find a deal on the dewar.

Sorry for F-bomb, but FUCK eight hundred? Definitely not this year. Thanx regardless. Will check this site out tomorrow. FYI: 500+ USD - that's how much i got for all parts for my future 8700K rig @ EKWB.

 

[GoldenX]

You want a big ass copper vase? You pay a big ass amount of cash.

 

[phill]

Getting into LN2 is expensive with the dewar and the pot alone you're looking at ~ $800 if you can find a deal on the dewar.

Not top ten #3 in Canada and # 7 on the team. I know TPU has kind of folded the benching team if you're bored come on over to OCF and join our team. We can always use more talent

https://hwbot.org/user/phill_2/

Here is me Been a while now....

 

[Mussels]

i can run 3600Mhz C18 or 3200Mhz C14

Everyone goes on about ryzens sweet spot as 3200 C14, so that decisions been made

 

[Flyordie]

The RAM sticks I got. Running 3200 @ the below timings. 4 sticks.

Some things I will be mentioning... GSkill support-

They literally refuse to give out any information on their products.

I just asked for their timings used on either their 2933 Flare X kits. OR their 3200 kits. I'd have set it all manually and gone forward from there. Nope. Won't do it. lol.

So to 1USMUS, your calculator will be getting an honorable mention in the review. If you need help testing it on Threadripper Gen 1, lmk.