Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[btarunr]

ASUS putting out Zen2 BIOS updates, boys.

Expect the "Combo" AGESA to break your memory OC, though. I've myself experienced worse memory OC than with PinnaclePI 1.0.0.6.

 

[Mussels]

looks like its a BIOS update kind of day

 

[ratirt]

my mobo has a BIOS update for the upcoming ryzen CPU's that enabled a previously broken feature (bclck overclocking)
Interestingly i cant OC my ram much/at all past 3200 without black screen bugs, but the CPU has some headroom left.
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Did you manually OC'ed the 2700x to 4.5Ghz or is it the XFR? That's pretty impresive even with water cooling. Can you shed some light on the temps you get with that OC?

Thanks

 

[msroadkill612]

That's why I don't bother maxing it or even stepping down to 4.2 anymore. I'm pretty happy with it down at 4ghz.

Heat ramps up significantly and it benches better, but general perceived performance isn't noticeably better. I guess Zen+ doesn't really scale like that. Or perhaps it's just that clock speeds don't do much for my usage. I prefer to take advantage of the fact that cooling demands drop off quite a lot when you turn it down from "11" to "8-9ish" and just appreciate the fact that I can run a near-silent build and not even notice a performance loss. 2600 is massively more power efficient when you go easier on it. For me, the sweet spot seems to be 4.1 or even 4ghz all-core. It does those at a measly 1.23v and 1.13v respectively. To do 4.2 I need 1.31 (less before the b-die came into the picture.) To do a STABLE 4.25 I'm looking at voltages upwards of 1.37. At that point, you're still racking up decent gains... it's just not a lot to show for just how much more wattage and heat that configuration brings about.

That's actually how I've always felt about the 2600, going back to when I left it stock only, boosting up to 3.9ghz. I still debate on running it like that and using Ryzen Master to boost up when the oomph is needed. It's a respectable, versatile, and efficient midrange CPU that really doesn't require much to fully appreciate. Generally just very well balanced to a nice, all-rounder setup. Drop the stock cooler on and go. Save a little money and yet want for little. A lot of people simply do not need more than the 2600/x gives you out of the box. And really, you already get most of what it has to offer out of it even before you start tinkering with it.

If i undestand you correctly, I am similarly inclined. Meh, I will wait til I am starved for cpu power til I fuss with the extra heat and noise.

What does appeal is the auto tuning that comes with Zen+ tho, as much cos it dynamically dpwn tunes under light load as for its dynamic up tunes when under load.

IMO it would work better than a more fixed but higher clock, as the dynamism would result in a better heat envelope for bursts/spikes of load.

 

[Mussels]

Did you manually OC'ed the 2700x to 4.5Ghz or is it the XFR? That's pretty impresive even with water cooling. Can you shed some light on the temps you get with that OC?

Thanks

XFR, so its the single core turbo

temps are hitting 76C in various stress tests, so its thermal throttling before much else happens - not gunna try for anything stupid like all cores at 4.5ghz, the heat would be insane

 

[NoJuan999]

ASUS putting out Zen2 BIOS updates, boys.

Expect the "Combo" AGESA to break your memory OC, though. I've myself experienced worse memory OC than with PinnaclePI 1.0.0.6.

That is exactly why I am still using BIOS 1201 (AGESA 1.0.0.6) on my ROG B450-F.
My 16GB 3200 MHz Tridentz RGB is running at 3400 MHz without any issues and I have read a few posts where people have reported issues with the newer BIOS versions and OC-ing RAM.
Also the newer BIOS versions seem to have cold boot issues too.

 

[Kursah]

I'm still running the last modded bios for my Strix X370-F Gaming board so I don't lose PBO options for my 2700X.

If I don't need up being able to afford getting into Zen 2, I'll check out the latest and greatest...but doesn't seem like newer firmware past December of last year really benefit me and my CPU.

Beyond reading about all the issues with RAM again, which mine is stable and I'm quite content atm.

 

[RealNeil]

My financial situation has changed dramatically for the worse in the past few months. It will never change back either.
I had planned on getting into the latest CPU series from AMD right away, but now it seems that if I want to, I'll have to sell something first.

This is probably a good thing as it will ensure that I don't jump into the fire too soon.
I'll be checking reviews and scoping out everyone else's experiences before I do anything.

 

[Mindweaver]

I'm late to the party, but last week I picked up a R5 2600 to replace my i7 2600k..lol Also, bought a B450 gigabyte board with corsair 3000 memory. I put it all together last night. I still need to overclock it, but I'll look over this thread for tips! Also, I know Ryzen 2 is coming, but I couldn't pass up the deals I got for the board and cpu. Plus, I'll give it to my daughter if I go Ryzen 2 in a few months.

 

[Kapone33]

I'm late to the party, but last week I picked up a R5 2600 to replace my i7 2600k..lol Also, bought a B450 gigabyte board with corsair 3000 memory. I put it all together last night. I still need to overclock it, but I'll look over this thread for tips! Also, I know Ryzen 2 is coming, but I couldn't pass up the deals I got for the board and cpu. Plus, I'll give it to my daughter if I go Ryzen 2 in a few months.

The 2600 will OC to 4.2 with a 1.35 volt applied (not with the stock cooler). The Corsair RAM will not run at 3000 but 2933 (not that there is much difference) I have found that Gskill memory works better than Corsair with AM4. Gigabyte boards are ok and this might seem weird but the most success I have had with AM4 boards is As Rock. Gigabyte boards seem to apply more voltage than what is displayed but that was just my personal experience maybe other members who have Gigabyte AM4 boards can comment on that.

That is exactly why I am still using BIOS 1201 (AGESA 1.0.0.6) on my ROG B450-F.
My 16GB 3200 MHz Tridentz RGB is running at 3400 MHz without any issues and I have read a few posts where people have reported issues with the newer BIOS versions and OC-ing RAM.
Also the newer BIOS versions seem to have cold boot issues too.

I will never buy another Asus AM4 board. I had 2 boards that bricked during bios updates.

 

[GoldenX]

MSI boards have a beta BIOS for Zen2 support. I will wait for AMDs release before flashing it.

 

[Kursah]

I installed the 4801 firmware for my Strix X370-F Gaming, and the PBO settings have returned. Now I have no reason to run a modded firmware, and 1usmus (I believe) has pretty much halted efforts to continue modding at least for now.

Still on the older 0.0.7.2a but hopefully will see 1.0 soon!

｜｜ASUS USA

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In my initial testing on Cinibench, I was able to hit a top 3 score for my system, which is within 10-15 points or so of the fastest I've ever tested with modded bios. That makes me quite happy actually...the stock bios always lagged behind previously...so clearly things are getting better. Not sure if this will be a good board for the Xen 2 or not...but I'm hoping so. Though I'm in no hurry to replace the 2700X, its been a damn good CPU...but I plan at some point to get a server-grade board with out-of-band management on it, add 64GB DDR4 to it as my future virtualization core server, but gonna have to be on a tight budget... That's the "plans" at this point, what is available (right now an ASRock board) and what my budget will be when that day comes, we shall see...

 

[Kapone33]

I installed the 4801 firmware for my Strix X370-F Gaming, and the PBO settings have returned. Now I have no reason to run a modded firmware, and 1usmus (I believe) has pretty much halted efforts to continue modding at least for now.

Still on the older 0.0.7.2a but hopefully will see 1.0 soon!

｜｜ASUS USA

www.asus.com

In my initial testing on Cinibench, I was able to hit a top 3 score for my system, which is within 10-15 points or so of the fastest I've ever tested with modded bios. That makes me quite happy actually...the stock bios always lagged behind previously...so clearly things are getting better. Not sure if this will be a good board for the Xen 2 or not...but I'm hoping so. Though I'm in no hurry to replace the 2700X, its been a damn good CPU...but I plan at some point to get a server-grade board with out-of-band management on it, add 64GB DDR4 to it as my future virtualization core server, but gonna have to be on a tight budget... That's the "plans" at this point, what is available (right now an ASRock board) and what my budget will be when that day comes, we shall see...

That is why I went to Threadripper. The As Rock X399 Phantom Gaming 6 is $249.99 MSRP. There is no comparison in terms of raw computing power beteween AM4 and TR4. The 1st gen chips are getting cheaper. The 1900x has been in the low $400 CAD on Newegg for the past few months. I do mostly game but I also do many other things on the computer and NVME is as big a difference as HDD to SSD in some applications. In Linux though is where Threadripper shines brightly indeed. Even if if the X570 is PCI_E 4.0 it is still only 16 lanes purportedly that are to that spec so if you plug a GOU into the first slot goodbye NVME expansion. The common sense peripheral to get for TR4 is the Asus M2 Riser card. That is probably why it has doubled in price in the last 6 months. I bought mine for $67.00 on Amazon, the same listing is now $150.

 

[Mindweaver]

The 2600 will OC to 4.2 with a 1.35 volt applied (not with the stock cooler). The Corsair RAM will not run at 3000 but 2933 (not that there is much difference) I have found that Gskill memory works better than Corsair with AM4. Gigabyte boards are ok and this might seem weird but the most success I have had with AM4 boards is As Rock. Gigabyte boards seem to apply more voltage than what is displayed but that was just my personal experience maybe other members who have Gigabyte AM4 boards can comment on that.

So, I haven't overclocked the CPU yet. I'm using the stock cooler atm, but I did use the 3000mhz xmp profile for my Corsair memory and it's been rock solid. Of course, watching the ram it moves 2994-3000, but I'm impressed so far. I like this Aorus board and for the price, I couldn't beat it at $74. I did start to get the AsRock board but in the end, it came down to price. lol Thanks again for the tips! I'm debating on an aio water cooler or just get the 212. I really enjoy the extra space in my case with the aio's. Now I want a new case.. lol My Cooler Master Storm Scout has a lip in the top card slot and I can't connect my display port cable for 2 of my monitors.. lol I may have to modify it tonight.. lol It's killing me to only use one monitor. I'm looking at the Phanteks P400.

 

[Mussels]

does anyone know how to use the P-state overclocking on the aorus boards, its all in hex codes and confusing as shit (looking for a way to boost the all-core clocks, but leave XFR/turbo alone)

 

[Kapone33]

So, I haven't overclocked the CPU yet. I'm using the stock cooler atm, but I did use the 3000mhz xmp profile for my Corsair memory and it's been rock solid. Of course, watching the ram it moves 2994-3000, but I'm impressed so far. I like this Aorus board and for the price, I couldn't beat it at $74. I did start to get the AsRock board but in the end, it came down to price. lol Thanks again for the tips! I'm debating on an aio water cooler or just get the 212. I really enjoy the extra space in my case with the aio's. Now I want a new case.. lol My Cooler Master Storm Scout has a lip in the top card slot and I can't connect my display port cable for 2 of my monitors.. lol I may have to modify it tonight.. lol It's killing me to only use one monitor. I'm looking at the Phanteks P400.

Thanks for the reply I guess that BIOS updates have allowed RAM to run at 3000MHZ (Good job on AMD and partners part). There is not much difference between a 212 and the stock. Some people don't think that AIO's are needed but it will definitely help out with maintaining your OC. The Storm scout was one of my favourite cases (including the 912 HAF). I know that cases are the most subjective purchase for a build but the P400 might not get as good airflow as the Deep Cool Matrex 55. I don't have one but it will definitely be going into my next customer build. The reason I like that one over the Phanteks is that you can fit 3x140 mm fans in the front.

 

[NoJuan999]

The 2600 OC's pretty easily with a decent cooler.
I have an Arctic 33 eSports Edition and my temps are very good (27-30C at idle and 55-56C max after a few hours of gaming).
I do have excellent airflow too though, I have 3 intake and 2 exhaust fans running from 60% and up.
Mine OC'd to 4.075 GHz at 1.35v.
I also got it to 4.1 and 4.15 GHZ at 1.39V and 1.4V but decided to run it at 3.95 GHZ because it only needed 1.33V to get 100% stable and the performance difference isn't even noticeable except on some benchmarks.

 

[Kapone33]

The 2600 OC's pretty easily with a decent cooler.
I have an Arctic 33 eSports Edition and my temps are very good (27-30C at idle and 55-56C max after a few hours of gaming).
I do have excellent airflow too though, I have 3 intake and 2 exhaust fans running from 60% and up.
Mine OC'd to 4.075 GHz at 1.35v.
I also got it to 4.1 and 4.15 GHZ at 1.39V and 1.4V but decided to run it at 3.95 GHZ because it only needed 1.33V to get 100% stable and the performance difference isn't even noticeable except on some benchmarks.

Exactly my point. I was able to get mine to 4.0 on 1.25 volts using my AIO

 

[NoJuan999]

Exactly my point. I was able to get mine to 4.0 on 1.25 volts using my AIO

Nice !

 

[Athlonite]

Way hey I can finally join this club (albeit sooner than intended)

 

[purecain]

watch out with the AIO water cooling on your new boards. ive seen a couple of occasions where air cooling has beaten the new aio's… ive even switched to air. for now...

 

[Athlonite]

watch out with the AIO water cooling on your new boards. ive seen a couple of occasions where air cooling has beaten the new aio's… ive even switched to air. for now...

yeah I'm not an AIO WC fan and until I get round to making some new brackets for my Thermolab Baram i'm just using the stock Wraith Spire(RGB) which is doing an adequate job at present no OC until I get to use my much better HSF

 

[Mussels]

i like my current AIO setups, but the pump noise shits me... might go back to air in the future.

Problem is the AIO on my GPU is amazing for lower temps and less noise, so i may keep just the one? hard to decide since aftermarket air coolers are so rare these days.
I have a 'night' profile in corsair iCue that sets all fans to 400RPM, lowers pump speeds and turns the lights off, and i wouldnt want to lose that sort of control when i go back to air (which i guess wont really matter, just less fans)

 

[Deleted member 178884]

i like my current AIO setups, but the pump noise shits me...

Pump noise? Ouch, I can't actually hear my silent loop 280mm/eisbaer 360mm when the pump hits up to 100% speed. I've heard some corsair units are quite noisy myself though I've never used one.

 

[Mussels]

Pump noise? Ouch, I can't actually hear my silent loop 280mm/eisbaer 360mm when the pump hits up to 100% speed. I've heard some corsair units are quite noisy myself though I've never used one.

these corsairs are the quietest AIO's i've ever used, i've had fucking garbage from fractal and NZXT

I can handle an air cooled CPU thanks to lower wattage ryzens compared to energy hungry all core OC's on the intel side, but i need the quiet GPU and that limits my future plans without expensive custom water