Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Aenra]

@psyko12 bit of advice. Never, ever switch BIOS unless it's the apocalypse. And even then, there are ways.
Next time you get this, hard reset the active BIOS and start over; if you're lazy, you can always save/export your BIOS last settings so you don't have to re-enter everything.

Again, never switch BIOS, especially in a period where everything's practically still in Beta.

Advice number two
Always, always, update BIOS through uefiflash. The old way. Not through the mobo's UEFI, most definitely not through Windows.

You never know and it only happens once. Except if it does.....

Advice number three

Stop hammering your CPU to pieces with Prime. You are K-I-L-L-I-N-G it. Use a lighter stresser, get everything 101% stable. Then and only then run Prime. Hopefully once or twice at most, just enough for you to add that extra voltage it's gonna need (and that's assuming you need it, the conditions it emulates are beyond [in terms of resource-intensive] what most users will ever encounter).

 

[psyko12]

Prior to replies and my last post I've found my happy place at 3.85 ghz @ 1.38v gave up on 3200mhz ram and just made it run at 2933mhz without issue.
VSoC and Dram V is at 1.1 and 1.35v.
Passed 30 mins of prime and now happily running realbench stability test for about 5 hours now.

Temps are much more manageable
Highest it got was 81c but most of the time its 75-77c and idles about 39-40ish.


@Aenra
Mem aren't found on qvl

And the bios recovery method was from gigabyte forum and ocn. It is a known issue with the board (x370 gaming k7) that it borks bios and you get that error message else it won't save settings and boot normally until you turn it off. Flip bios switch to use back up and recover from there.
And bios f3 is from the site support page. Not a beta.

This time I feel it's gonna be daily usable.

 

[Aenra]

@psyko12 i don't think you understood me in all honesty, but either way, it's all good
If you don't mind, could you link me that thread please? I've set up a Ryzen with your mobo and have had literally zero issues, including in RAM OCing. You never know though, so i'd like to have a look.

 

[psyko12]

I understood you about what you said @Aenra hehe. My brains just afloat too may headaches with ram compatibility but hey got through it tho.

Here's where I gather some info about the board and other users exp.

http://forum.gigabyte.us/thread/886/am4-beta-bios-thread

And

http://www.overclock.net/t/1625822/gigabyte-ga-ax370-gaming-k7-discussion


Mmm since you have the board do you know how to use the creative sound card built in? Is it front panel only or the rear one?
Thanks!

 

[Aenra]

since you have the board do you know how to use the creative sound card built in? Is it front panel only or the rear one?

Nephew does, i was just the slave
The front panel part depends on you and the case you're using. If your case supports it and if you've plugged the relevant cable (must be one labeled 'sound' or 'output') in the appropriate mobo header spot (same one you plug the front LED cables, the 'Power On', etc), you should be able to have output from up front too. I don't have the manual in front of me and we didn't do it in his case as he doesn't care about it, so can't be specific. Definitely yes though, you should be able to.

Edit: aah, i see now.. you went and got yourself a Beta BIOS, O.K. I'd add more advice, but i fear you'd ignore it. Just mind your steps

 

[psyko12]

Well I've yet to try it haha I plugged them as the manual suggested for the front panel. Haven't tinkered with other features of the system at the moment. Most likely by tom. And also I've been using my heaphones built in soundcard haha.. Anyway cheers mate. Thanks for the tip. I'll be using a more forgiving test for the system like aida64 / occt . Hope to hear your share of adventures with the ryzen system too!

 

[techtard]

Bummer. What ram are you planning on getting?

Ordered some Corsair LPX 3200, price-matched it so it was as cheap as the slower stuff.

 

[YautjaLord]

Y'know? I basically have almost entire system right now at my hands, only things MIA are CPU itself (1800X), Win 10 Pro (even tho it's almost pure f*ckin hate lol) & the EK's custom cooling kit or for a lack of it AMD's Wraith Max: 2x16GB DDR4 2400MHz CL15 Ripjaws V? Check. Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SATA III SSD? (will have it this Tuesday or Friday tops) Check. 2xGTX 760s from ASUS? (will use K7's SLI bridge on these) Check. Corsair's HX1000 PSU? Check. Can go for CPU & HSF (Wraith Max) next month & forget? What ya'all think? Will work? Can install Win 7 stead (til get my hands on that either abomination or fine OS, Win 10) from my current SSD (Corsair Force GS 240GB) to the new one.

 

[gupsterg]

Prior to replies and my last post I've found my happy place at 3.85 ghz @ 1.38v gave up on 3200mhz ram and just made it run at 2933mhz without issue.

I had 2x R7 1700 all on same hardware. One did 2933MHz with ease and 3200MHz out of it's reach. The other did 3200MHz with ease.

As firmware improves we should see improvement, but in the back of my mind I reckon there will always be some CPU that just will not like high RAM speed.

As RAM speed determines "Data Fabric" speed I reckon some CPUs just don't like that aspect, could well also be IMC, but then again firmware. All in the air at the moment.

 

[Aenra]

Which is why i said stop playing with the RAM voltage and add in SoC instead.
(not saying it's not possible, never managing to run it no matter what, it appears it is. Just, you know).

 

[psyko12]

I had 2x R7 1700 all on same hardware. One did 2933MHz with ease and 3200MHz out of it's reach. The other did 3200MHz with ease.

As firmware improves we should see improvement, but in the back of my mind I reckon there will always be some CPU that just will not like high RAM speed.

As RAM speed determines "Data Fabric" speed I reckon some CPUs just don't like that aspect, could well also be IMC, but then again firmware. All in the air at the moment.

Yeah I'm thinking there's more to the silicon lottery, and now that includes those factors but I might be wrong

 

[EntropyZ]

Tried overclocking a 1x8 Corsair Vengeance LPX 2400MHz CL15 stick, afaik it's dual-rank. Went to 2933MHz CL17 @ 1.3v 0.650 VTT, on my second RAM slot. I wonder if that's any good at all. 3200MHz would most likely require higher voltage and timings, not worth it IMO.

I compared it to some Kingston HyperX 2x8 2133MHz CL14, they can't get past 2400MHz no matter what, even in single channel. 2666MHz requires some insane voltages and timings to get stable. No wonder they sell them cheaper, the 14nm dies on them are not that good.

My intuition tells me right now for Ryzen it's; SK Hynix<Micron<Samsung<Samsung-B

Don't know where Samsung-E lies, but some of them overclock well on Intel platform.

My 1600 can run at 3.8GHz on stock voltage or slightly lower pretty easily, temperatures were what most would expect with AMD Spire cooling. I might try going for 4.1 or even 4.2 just for sh**s and giggles. This chip very much reminds me of my Phenom II X4 960T which could unlock to a six-core and run at 4.0GHz on air comfortably.

 

[TheLostSwede]

My Asus Prime X370-Pro and Ryzen 7 1700 just arrive.
Let's see what this thing can do...
Don't have high hopes on my current RAM though.

Took me a while to figure out the Asus UEFI, but it's up and running now.
Going to take me some time to tweak my RAM, as so far it won't run at anything above 2133MHz

Any tips welcome, I can't overclock the CPU or RAM a single MHz

I also missed the fact that this board lacks about half of the overclocking features that the more expensive boards have. Oh well...

 

[gupsterg]

D.O.C.P should read XMP profile and set timings/voltages as need for RAM. Then you can pick lower straps, 3rd image in this link. Currently the platform is very picky on RAM. Hopefully as UEFI mature this aspect will improve.

I'm surprised you gain no CPU OC, most owner shares I have read 3.7GHz "All cores boost" is easily attainable. R7 1700 stock ACB is 3.2GHz.

Are you using latest UEFI?

 

[HD64G]

Anyone who uses Adobe Premier Pro should check out this video about an update that helps Ryzen's performance MUCH!

 

[TheLostSwede]

D.O.C.P should read XMP profile and set timings/voltages as need for RAM. Then you can pick lower straps, 3rd image in this link. Currently the platform is very picky on RAM. Hopefully as UEFI mature this aspect will improve.

I'm surprised you gain no CPU OC, most owner shares I have read 3.7GHz "All cores boost" is easily attainable. R7 1700 stock ACB is 3.2GHz.

Are you using latest UEFI?

Yeah, on 0604. If I make any changes at all in the UEFI that has something to do with the RAM or CPU, it gets stuck in the recovery loop and then I have to hit F1 to get into the UEFI to reset the settings. Voltage settings are the only things I can change without a total meltdown. Timings, speed, or anything else, not a chance.

I tried D.O.C.P. which wants to go to 2,933MHz, but I can't even make that work at 2,133MHz.

I've found reports of other people with the same board being able to get their RAM to at least 2,400MHz on the RYMEM website.

I found another problem though, which is related to my RAM. The 0604 UEFI only sees 8GB of the total of 16GB. I've contacted Asus support about this, as it's a rather odd issue that shouldn't be happening and this might also be the reason as to why I can't change any settings.

Might have to buy some different RAM

According to a friend of mine that works at the ROG division at Asus, they should have a major UEFI update coming sometime in May that should address a lot of the RAM related issues though.

 

[gupsterg]

I reckon case of waiting on UEFI to mature then go for RAM bump.

I do reckon there is variability between the CPUs on what they attain for RAM. Just like you are seeing data for same setup as yours getting 2400MHz. The thing with Ryzen is that RAM speed effects Data Fabric speed, perhaps the IMC are AOK and the DF has an issue. Perhaps as AGESA improve they are tweaking it for aspect of DF. Conjecture only on my part, so take with pinch of salt.

When RAM training fails on Ryzen it will try to knock down speed and/or a dimm, windows will show full amount but state half is "hardware reserved", in this latter case dunno what UEFI would show.

For me when training has failed I get knock'd back to 2133MHz, this is rare for my system and happens on "cold boot" when on 3200MHz. 2933MHz or lower not an issue. I also have what is supposed to be "ideal" RAM, single rank, 1 dimm per channel, Samsung 'B-die'. As said before all rest hardware same, one R7 1700 only reach 2933MHz, another 3200MHz for me.

 

[EntropyZ]

I wonder when it will be possible to fine tune other RAM timings, it's all pretty much done on auto, then there is that Ryzen training setting on the AsRock AB350M Pro4 BIOS but I am not sure what it exactly does, no explanation on it. I haven't found a way to raise MEM VTT outside of "Ryzen Master", if I mem oc in the BIOS the system will boot loop, tuning through RM seems to go smoothly for the most part.

Just found out how to take screenies inside UEFI BIOS, just use F12 or maybe print screen while having a USB stick inserted. The more you know.

 

[the54thvoid]

Silly long shot but.....

Check the CPU for bent pins? No CPU overclock sounds really odd. Mix that with memory and it could be a pin issue?

Like I say, long shot.

 

[gupsterg]

@EntropyZ

Hope is May update. Raja@Asus/Elmor who work for Asus, on OCN have highlighted there is hope but no confirmation yet.

On C6H all we have is:-

Only DRAM timings available are TCL, TRCRDD, TRCWRD, TRPT and TRAS.

Using a lower strap changes other timings, in OP of this thread, section My Benches Collection > CINEBENCH R15.038_RC184115, you will find Asus MemTweakIt screens. I only change RAM strap in UEFI and the timings I have access to are manually set.

So on a board where BCLK is adjustable upping that and using lower strap is more "efficient" than using appropriate strap with BCLK 100MHz. Motherboards without BCLK adjustment, it may soon happen, first see this post by a BioStar GT7 owner, then read this post by The Stilt.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Silly long shot but.....

Check the CPU for bent pins? No CPU overclock sounds really odd. Mix that with memory and it could be a pin issue?

Like I say, long shot.

No, that's not the issue.

 

[m0nt3]

If anyone is interested. I have 4x16GB of DDR4 2666 working at 2666 on my corsshair vi using corsair vengence lpx. Since I know RAM capacity + speed are some concerns with the ryzen platform.

 

[techtard]

Finally got my ddr4 ram in yesterday, have been doing some testing in Win 7. Able to get my Ryzen 5 1600 to 3.8ghz @1.25v in bios with the spire cooler and 2x8gb Corsair LPX at 2933 pretty stable so far. Not on the newest UEFI/bios so I might be able to hit 3200 on the ram. Currently on bios 0502.

This is on the Asus Prime X370 Pro.

Waiting for a my new waterblock before I make a run at 4.0, I don't want to accidentally kill anything.
Everything seems to run smooth so far, pretty fun to be tinkering again.

EDIT Rolling in an old Antec P182 case, but it seems both of my side-panels and front door are missing. Forgot how solid this case was, I'm gonna have to track down some panels and I might just keep the Ryzen setup in here.

 

[psyko12]

As @the54thvoid said, once you start overclockin' you can't stop

Well after a week and a half of pullin' my hair out and tweaking things, borking and re-flashing the bios on this GA-AX370 Gaming K7, I finally landed into maybe an ok daily (real daily driver) until more bios features comes out (YEAH Gigabyte am talking about this "flaghsip" not getting any BIOS love atm *shakes fist*).

I've managed to make my xmp work with my g.skils trident zeds that are SK HYNIX single ranks (I thought it was samsung, well anyway).

Here's where am at right now:

Spoiler

 

[Johan45]

As @the54thvoid said, once you start overclockin' you can't stop

Well after a week and a half of pullin' my hair out and tweaking things, borking and re-flashing the bios on this GA-AX370 Gaming K7, I finally landed into maybe an ok daily (real daily driver) until more bios features comes out (YEAH Gigabyte am talking about this "flaghsip" not getting any BIOS love atm *shakes fist*).

I've managed to make my xmp work with my g.skils trident zeds that are SK HYNIX single ranks (I thought it was samsung, well anyway).

Here's where am at right now:

Spoiler

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Looks good psyko, just FYI go by the core voltage SVi2 that's what is being fed to the CPU after any vDroop. As for BIOS updates, they're likely waiting to base it on the updated AGESA , it's "supposed" to make memry easier to work with. We'll see about that though.