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Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

I might just have to lap it and see what I get. I brought my 2500k down to 3000 grit copper surface.
 
It's when I leave hwinfo up for days and days at some point I'll get that.
That's a known bug.
Basic solution is don't leave it up and running.
 
That stock cooler looks so good. If only it was a bit better in cooling performance.
I'm using one (from a 3900X) on my puny 2600 HTPC just because it's one of the better top-down blowers. In a shocking move (for me) I even went crazy and plugged in the two additional RGBLED cables, just once, to customise the lighting to a static 64,64,64 white ring, no fan blades. The cooler has a memory so once it's set you can yank the cable clutter and have it 'clean'.

They could make a bigger, better cooler but realistically it is about as good as they're going to get for that form-factor and - more importantly - shipping weight. It looks good, it's better than Intel, and it's adequate for the chips it ships with so I doubt it'll ever get improved much.
 
i didnt know you could leave it after it was set once... interesting...
 
i didnt know you could leave it after it was set once... interesting...
I tried it on a hunch after noticing that the lighting effect I'd picked was appearing instantly, a good few seconds before the motherboard had even passed its POST and boot logo...
 
Buying an MSI B450 max and 16GB of ram second hand today for $200 (as-new condition, tho) so i can slap my ryzen 1400 + 980 in a PC and call it a day

dat wraith prism gunna make a shiny
 
Are there any Asus users who have used the new BIOS 2407 for Asus motherboards? Did you notice anything different?

"Improved system performance and compatibility
Improved DRAM compatibility
Update AM4 combo V2 PI 1.0.0.2"

Maybe this will be the one that makes my memory work as it should consistently.
 
I haven't noticed too much with my laptop but so far my system has been pretty smooth.
 
Are there any Asus users who have used the new BIOS 2407 for Asus motherboards? Did you notice anything different?

"Improved system performance and compatibility
Improved DRAM compatibility
Update AM4 combo V2 PI 1.0.0.2"

Maybe this will be the one that makes my memory work as it should consistently.

Mine is 0805, same BIOS though. You can now manually adjust the CPU and SoC current telemetry (for the uninitiated, refer to the whole "issue" about power reporting deviation), doesn't seem to make much of a difference. Not sure if APE works as intended now, it was previously broken like PBO in v2 1.0.0.1.

Out of the box benchmark performance is lower, but PBO is finally fixed again and doesn't insta-crash any mildly demanding program, so I've been running 300/230/230/2x in an effort to get back to my ITX board performance. Result is surprisingly close; I'm back at between 4950-5000pts in Cinebench from 4800 in v0608. It seems like PBO is the way to circumvent the CB multi core clock cap in new AGESA, now that it finally works again for v2 boards.

It's crazy how my Aorus ITX was underreporting, though. For similar scores and clocks in CBR20, the ITX board was reporting 95W of package power at 74% accuracy, while my TUF reports 115W at 94% accuracy.

Not much on memory side, aside from membench scores being slightly slower than on 0608 sometimes at the same profile, down from 119 to 120 seconds @ 3600. But I've gone up to 3733 and down to 115.3 seconds in membench, so I don't have 3733 data from 0608 to compare to.

ymmv, obviously, but so far this update seems pretty solid. I might keep it until I have a Vermeer CPU.
 
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I have the latest 1.0.0.6 on my Gigabyte, didn't notice any performance regression due to the firmware level mitigation.
 
With some inspiration here I changed some settings: lowered PPT to 170 W from 230 which works as well, 85 limits the CPU too much on all core clocks. Lowered TDC to 170 from 200, this is also to increase all core boost, which benefited greatly, 60 limits it a lot. And finally using the 1 A EDC trick @Mussels suggested.

Before: CPU all core boosted in Cinebench to about 4050-4150. Not very good. With mussels settings, it was 4000~ all core, but his 1 EDC trick fixed my single boost which was lowered from 4391 to just 4325 over time and now is better than ever at 4450 MHz on multiple cores, which I'm happy with. With the new settings as in the pic, and the 1 EDC bug or trick, the all core boost in CB20 is 4200 MHz constantly and 4150 MHz in Prime95 maximum stress test, which is 150 MHz more than with my old settings which were 230/200/200, as suggested by @buildzoid. As per stock, the CPU only boosts to 3600 MHz in Prime95 maximum stress. For reference: I'm using a 3700X with a Noctua NH-D14. CPU was bought a few months ago.

PS. CB20 score went up to 4824 from about 4600~.

I prefer using PBO over oldschool overclocks, since it leaves the CPU running normally otherwise.
 

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Ohhhh so THIS is why the pin fell off my 2700x, the conductonaut must have eaten the solder somehow?
That might be possible. Conductonaut is Gallium based and Gallium is a very pervasive metal. Very nasty stuff if you get it into the wrong places.
 
I stay the hell away from liquid metal. It's horrendous stuff and there's so much potential for it to destroy and it's barely better than paste. Just about the only valid reason to buy some is to experiment with it out of sheer curiousity.

Sure, if you need those last two degrees then it can give you that, but if your overclock is that close to instability you have bigger problems than what TIM you're using.
 
I stay the hell away from liquid metal. It's horrendous stuff and there's so much potential for it to destroy and it's barely better than paste. Just about the only valid reason to buy some is to experiment with it out of sheer curiousity.

Sure, if you need those last two degrees then it can give you that, but if your overclock is that close to instability you have bigger problems than what TIM you're using.

Two? I've seen 20C drops using it. You dont see many GTX 1080's running OC'd at 40C without custom water...
 
Wow, what were you using before conductonaut? A woolly cardigan? :P
 
Wow, what were you using before conductonaut? A woolly cardigan? :p
MX4

If you delid and/or lap and use conductonaut, you get some seriously good gains. I''m the psycho running his GTX1080 with conductonaut


Eyyyy, either the 3700x or the new BIOS has helped, but i can run my ram stable at C14 now... will do some long term gaming to find out for sure
 
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MX4

If you delid and/or lap and use conductonaut, you get some seriously good gains. I''m the psycho running his GTX1080 with conductonaut
Okay, that's an eye-opener for me. I kind of wrote off the TIM as relatively low gains when comparing Sandy (soldered) and Ivy (TIM) - My 3770K gained very little from a delid and running the NH-U12 on the die directly with a shim and some Arctic AS2.

I figured that the minimal impact of removing of one layer of paste entirely proved that TIM itself wasn't the bottleneck. Subsequent youtube videos of various people pointing FLIR cameras at heatsinks and getting temperatures within a few degrees of the reported die temperatures only cemented that imperfect experiment in my mind. If the on-die sensor says 80C and the heatsink hotspot is reading 76C, then surely the basic paste is doing its job, no?
 
Okay, that's an eye-opener for me. I kind of wrote off the TIM as relatively low gains when comparing Sandy (soldered) and Ivy (TIM) - My 3770K gained very little from a delid and running the NH-U12 on the die directly with a shim and some Arctic AS2.

I figured that the minimal impact of removing of one layer of paste entirely proved that TIM itself wasn't the bottleneck. Subsequent youtube videos of various people pointing FLIR cameras at heatsinks and getting temperatures within a few degrees of the reported die temperatures only cemented that imperfect experiment in my mind. If the on-die sensor says 80C and the heatsink hotspot is reading 76C, then surely the basic paste is doing its job, no?

with intel delid, the gain is from reducing the height - gotta shave off that black silicone and use a super thin TIM layer (such as conductonaut, which can be applied thinner). The flatter the surfaces, the better the gains.
 
with intel delid, the gain is from reducing the height - gotta shave off that black silicone and use a super thin TIM layer (such as conductonaut, which can be applied thinner). The flatter the surfaces, the better the gains.
I ran it bareback with a composite shim to avoid die-cracking like I last did with my AMD Duron 600@1GHz, and no IHS and the retention frame removed. The NH-U12 spring pressure was increased by adding a couple of washers under each sprint to compensate for the extra z-axis it needed.
 
Turns out a ryzen 1400 and 750ti can do 4k gaming, if you're happy with DX9 low settings and okay with 20FP
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I mean, it can probably run Crysis.

I feel like you should install it and set all the sliders to low at 4K, I'm putting money on double-digit framerates which is more than my* SX-25 could do in Doom.

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* - My father and I disagreed about who owned his work-provided Olivetti PC and whether making maps for Doom was work or play.
 
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