Could anyone tell me if it worth upgrading the firmware first then use the drive or should it be better to just return it while still brand new and sealed and hope to get one from a recent production batch ?
thanks.
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System Name | ASUS |
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Processor | 3.06NW@3266 SL77P hacked in china |
Motherboard | ASUS P4G8X Deluxe BIOS 1007_084 |
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System Name | Never trust a socket with less than 2000 pins |
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I'm sick of software (firmware is software, too), it gets worse and worse, bugs after bugs, thousands of updates to fix the bugs and introduce new ones. They all rush to release new software...
Haha yeah. And if they continue in current direction they'll send you 3D-FDLC SSD drive (3D - Fing-lot-level-cell). Which will store 8 bits in single NAND cell and be able to hold your data for 2 days max if there's good weatheri give you one GOOD reason to buy one :
in 3 years, samsung won't have any stock, so just send a RMA at day-15 end warranti, and i'm pretty sure there will offer your a better model! 'like 4 or 8tb or next generation)
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Processor | Core i7-6700 | Ryzen 5 5600X |
Motherboard | Dell Q170 | Gigabyte Aorus Elite Wi-Fi |
Cooling | A fan? | Truly Custom Loop |
Memory | 4x4GB Crucial 2133 C17 | 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 3600 C26 |
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Storage | Crucial BX500 2TB | TBD |
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Power Supply | Dell TFX Non-standard | EVGA BQ 650W |
Mouse | Monster No-Name $7 Gaming Mouse| TBD |
Return it, and get something else. I have had nothing but good luck from the WD stuff I have.Is there any actual good quality and reliable SSD out there we could buy today ? Looks like the quest for the Holy Grail !
By the way, anyone could give me an answer to my previous post ?
Except selling crap, companies looks to no longer to care about what they sell.
TBH return this crap and get sth else. They won't be able to fix this crappy hardware with any firmware. Maybe the new V6 production process is different. But they won't tellCould anyone tell me if it worth upgrading the firmware first then use the drive or should it be better to just return it while still brand new and sealed and hope to get one from a recent production batch ?
thanks.
System Name | Never trust a socket with less than 2000 pins |
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Is there any actual good quality and reliable SSD out there we could buy today ? Looks like the quest for the Holy Grail !
By the way, anyone could give me an answer to my previous post ?
Have you updated the replacement SDDs to the new firmware? Maybe they were old stock with the old firmware and that's why they failed again. And have you updated the firmware for the dying ones? The update fixed mine which had bad blocks. At least apparently. There's a possibility that the bad blocks were fixed when I formatted and made a new volume for it and the bad blocks were just isolated and new ones are going to appear. I won't know unless I use it for a few more months to see if any bad sectors appear. A nightmare. An expensive nightmare. And Samsung is treading us like lab rats, they try things on us but they refuse to tell us anything sensible related to the problem.I have got 6 EVO 870 4TB. All DEAD. 2 already RMA'd (RMA one, got replacement one from RMA and it died again ). Got another 4 in RAID10... 1 dead, 3 dying. These drives were able to crash RAID10 setup, there's no safer raid out there and it should never have happened.
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Processor | Intel i5 12500H |
Memory | 40GB DDR4 |
Storage | 1TB WD Black SN850X |
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Software | Windows 11 Neon |
Actually haven't updated the firmware. Would be happy to if these IDIOTS from samsung provided any sound explaination of what this firmware is doing. From what i noticed after doing my expensive mistake, is that the data which is rarely accessed gets corrupted. So the NAND is shit. Rewriting the data even once daily would be a dirty hack but a reasonable one. If the new FW did it - it'd add 1800 TBW before warranty expires but that would work. But there is no description of what recent firmware is even doing/fixing.Have you updated the replacement SDDs to the new firmware? Maybe they were old stock with the old firmware and that's why they failed again. And have you updated the firmware for the dying ones? The update fixed mine which had bad blocks. At least apparently. There's a possibility that the bad blocks were fixed when I formatted and made a new volume for it and the bad blocks were just isolated and new ones are going to appear. I won't know unless I use it for a few more months to see if any bad sectors appear. A nightmare. An expensive nightmare. And Samsung is treading us like lab rats, they try things on us but they refuse to tell us anything sensible related to the problem.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 092 092 010 Pre-fail Always - 335
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 096 096 000 Old_age Always - 19077
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 73
177 Wear_Leveling_Count 0x0013 094 094 000 Pre-fail Always - 145
179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot 0x0013 092 092 010 Pre-fail Always - 335
181 Program_Fail_Cnt_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0
182 Erase_Fail_Count_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0
183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0013 092 092 010 Pre-fail Always - 335
187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 096 096 000 Old_age Always - 31022
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0032 055 045 000 Old_age Always - 45
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 199 199 000 Old_age Always - 31022
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 5
235 Unknown_Attribute 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 44
241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 535083726095
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 092 092 010 Pre-fail Always - 335
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 096 096 000 Old_age Always - 19087
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 73
177 Wear_Leveling_Count 0x0013 094 094 000 Pre-fail Always - 145
179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot 0x0013 092 092 010 Pre-fail Always - 335
181 Program_Fail_Cnt_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0
182 Erase_Fail_Count_Total 0x0032 100 100 010 Old_age Always - 0
183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0013 092 092 010 Pre-fail Always - 335
187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 095 095 000 Old_age Always - 42111
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0032 071 045 000 Old_age Always - 29
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 199 199 000 Old_age Always - 42111
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 5
235 Unknown_Attribute 0x0012 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 44
241 Total_LBAs_Written 0x0032 099 099 000 Old_age Always - 535083726095
I updated the firmware a few days ago, the bad sectors disappeared, but the reallocated sectors in SMART remained the same. I copied files on the disk after the update and scanned before and after de copying and no bad sectors yet. I have to use it for a year to consider the problem fixed. I can't use the drive for a dual backup, I don't trust it enough yet, maybe I can use it for a third copy, which is a waste of money. Trust is hard to get back, sorry, Samsung. I'll go to WD from now on, and not mainly because of the failures, but because Samsung haven't said a word about the problem and they let clients to guess what's going on and what to expect from their drives. Decision makers at Samsung should be ashamed of themselves, they're a disgrace.Actually haven't updated the firmware. Would be happy to if these IDIOTS from samsung provided any sound explaination of what this firmware is doing. From what i noticed after doing my expensive mistake, is that the data which is rarely accessed gets corrupted. So the NAND is shit. Rewriting the data even once daily would be a dirty hack but a reasonable one. If the new FW did it - it'd add 1800 TBW before warranty expires but that would work. But there is no description of what recent firmware is even doing/fixing.
Can you run surface test on this disk which was fixed by FW update to see if errors are not re-appearing? (full test so files and empty space)
How long ago you fixed it?
Edit: current SMART status for one drive, will send new one when the test will finish
I've finally returned it and buy a Sandisk Ultra 3D instead, which looks like less prone to issues of all kind I've seen with Samsung, Crucial, and other less known brands.Return it, and get something else. I have had nothing but good luck from the WD stuff I have.
System Name | Work Computer | Unfinished Computer |
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Processor | Core i7-6700 | Ryzen 5 5600X |
Motherboard | Dell Q170 | Gigabyte Aorus Elite Wi-Fi |
Cooling | A fan? | Truly Custom Loop |
Memory | 4x4GB Crucial 2133 C17 | 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 3600 C26 |
Video Card(s) | Dell Radeon R7 450 | RTX 2080 Ti FE |
Storage | Crucial BX500 2TB | TBD |
Display(s) | 3x LG QHD 32" GSM5B96 | TBD |
Case | Dell | Heavily Modified Phanteks P400 |
Power Supply | Dell TFX Non-standard | EVGA BQ 650W |
Mouse | Monster No-Name $7 Gaming Mouse| TBD |
All of the SSD's I have are WD Black. The Blues can be good, but you have to look close at them to see what you are getting.I've finally returned it and buy a Sandisk Ultra 3D instead, which looks like less prone to issues of all kind I've seen with Samsung, Crucial, and other less known brands.
Also, I never get disappointed by WD HDD I've bought seen more than a decade, but their Green and Blue SSD doesn't seems to be as good.
System Name | AlderLake |
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Processor | Intel i7 12700K P-Cores @ 5Ghz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U12A 2 fans + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme + 5 case fans |
Memory | 32GB DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6000MT/s CL36 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Evo 500GB + 850 Pro 512GB + 860 Evo 1TB x2 |
Display(s) | 23.8" Dell S2417DG 165Hz G-Sync 1440p |
Case | Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window |
Audio Device(s) | Panasonic SA-PMX94 / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system / Harman Kardon Go + Play / Logitech G533 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless |
Keyboard | RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | Cinebench R23 (Single Core) 1936 @ stock Cinebench R23 (Multi Core) 23006 @ stock |
Maybe win7 is the issue, unsupported to do it's thing probably..Samsung Magician does not let me update it (Failed to update firmware on the selected drive, windows 7 x64
System Name | Prometheus |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme |
Cooling | AIO Cooler Master MasterLiquid 360 |
Memory | 32GB DDR5 |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 OC Edition 12GB |
Storage | Samsung 970PRO 2TB, Samsung 990PRO 4TB, WD SN850X 2TB, Samsung 980PRO 2TB. WD GOLD HDD 8TB |
Display(s) | Corsair XENEON 32UHD144 32" 4K UHD gaming monitor |
Case | Cooler Master HAF |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Sound Blaster AE7 + Logitech Z-5500 500W 5.1. |
Power Supply | Corsair AX850 Titanium. |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 3 |
Keyboard | Corsair K95 RGB |
Software | W10-11 Enterprise- Linux Mint 22.0 Cinnamon Edition. |
As for me - secure erase, plus full (long) format, then full scan... seems sectors can be correctly accessed again. But probably only because they were recently re-initialized and the drive will start to loose data again. This looks like the flash chips are faulty.My 980 PRO 1TB m.2 keeps degrading after software update to 5B2QGXA7 too. There still are 4 sectors marked as bad in magician's full scan, so this didn't change. But the number of encountered & unresolvable errors has gone up from 1BF0 (7152) to 3785 (14213) in just a few weeks. Magician's "recovery" just fails with an unknown error, very verbose.
Drive condition in crystaldisk dropped from 96 to 95%. Meanwhile Magician's SMART tells me everything is in good condition (even the unresolvable errors)
Another pre-mature death of a samsung drive.
I heard that some people had some success by backing up the drive, secure erasing it and restoring the image. Allegedly, the bad sectors had disappeared.
System Name | AlderLake |
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Processor | Intel i7 12700K P-Cores @ 5Ghz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U12A 2 fans + Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme + 5 case fans |
Memory | 32GB DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 6000MT/s CL36 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB + 970 Evo 500GB + 850 Pro 512GB + 860 Evo 1TB x2 |
Display(s) | 23.8" Dell S2417DG 165Hz G-Sync 1440p |
Case | Be quiet! Silent Base 600 - Window |
Audio Device(s) | Panasonic SA-PMX94 / Realtek onboard + B&O speaker system / Harman Kardon Go + Play / Logitech G533 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 750W |
Mouse | Logitech MX Anywhere 2 Laser wireless |
Keyboard | RAPOO E9270P Black 5GHz wireless |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | Cinebench R23 (Single Core) 1936 @ stock Cinebench R23 (Multi Core) 23006 @ stock |
My 980 PRO 1TB m.2 keeps degrading after software update to 5B2QGXA7 too.