Samsung, Apple... and YOU

[DannibusX]

Samsung has proven that they had designs for touchscreen phones with grid icon layouts before the iPhone was introduced.

If Apple wins, you can pretty much say goodbye to an affordable touchscreen smartphone or tablet.

Also, if they win, they'll be filing a lawsuit against Google for Android.

 

[INSTG8R]

I mean I love my iPhone and all but Apple need to settle down. They certainly aren't losing any money over any of this supposed patent infringement.

 

[eidairaman1]

Apple, Microsoft, Intel- 3 companies who cannot stand 1 bit of competition, Greedy at best

 

[NC37]

And to all the Mac users out there who profess Steve Jobs as the savior of Apple I give you...

The Jobs era we now live in and the company it has spawned...Applesoft. Its not the Apple you grew up loving or the Microsoft you grew up hating. But together it has spawned, the monopoly monstrosity of your worst nightmares.

Thank Steve for the lovely decade this turned out to be...THANKS STEVE!

Sigh...the RISC era of Apple truly was the golden age. Think I'll go hug my iBook, Quicksilver, and Cube while oogling fondly my dead Beige G3.

 

[HossHuge]

Apple and Samsung get South Korea bans

The court imposed a limited ban on national sales of products by both companies covered by the ruling.

It ruled that US-based Apple had infringed two patents held by Samsung, while the Korean firm had violated one of Apple's patents.

The decision comes as a jury in California is deliberating on a patent trial between the two firms in the US.

The sales ban will apply to Apple's iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and its tablets the iPad and iPad 2.

Samsung products affected by the ban include its smartphone models Galaxy SI and SII and its Galaxy Tab and the Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet PCs.

The court ordered Apple to pay 40m won ($35,000; £22,000) in damages to its South Korean rival, while Samsung was told to pay Apple 25m won.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19364875

Money is the root of all evil.

 

[micropage7]

Samsung has proven that they had designs for touchscreen phones with grid icon layouts before the iPhone was introduced.

If Apple wins, you can pretty much say goodbye to an affordable touchscreen smartphone or tablet.

Also, if they win, they'll be filing a lawsuit against Google for Android.

yeah, many people realize that samsung is just a start for apple to point android

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Apple vs. Samsung: Three possible outcomes

 

[DannibusX]

The verdict is in. Reading a live blog of it now. Looks like the jury is coming back heavily in favor of Apple.

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_21356424/live-blog-verdict-apple-samsung-patent-trial

So far:

Guilty on bounceback patent
Guilty on pinch and zoom
Guilty on tap and zoom, some devices spared
Guilty on infringement of iPhone design contours
Guilty of infringement of graphical interface
Not guilty on infringment of Galaxy Tab design
Finds Samsung willful on most patent infringement.
Jury finds all Apple patents valid.

Jury rejects utility patent claims against Apple, awards Samsung nothing.

I'm getting sick to my stomach reading this stuff.

Jury awards more than one billion to Apple.

 

[manofthem]

Not good

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Stupid, stupid, STUPID JURY!


Samsung appeal in 3...2...1...

 

[DannibusX]

Bam. The jury made Apple a defacto monopoly. Congratulations Apple, you are this century's Microsoft.

It's hard to get a jury of your peers when the case is being tried in the same place the complainant is headquartered.

Samsung appeal in 3...2...1...

I read this in GlaDOS's voice.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Bam. The jury made Apple a defacto monopoly. Congratulations Apple, you are this century's Microsoft.

Oh no, they're worse than Microsoft. Microsoft only had two monopolies (can't really count IE because it's free): Office productivity suite and Windows operating system. Apple has a monopoly on:
-productivity software on their computers.
-iPhone
-iPad
-eBooks
-App Store
-Insane profit margins
-Corporate Customers
-iTunes

...and that doesn't even scratch the surface of technologies stolen, patented, and monopolizing. What Apple wants to do is force everyone to do is license "their" technology. This way, they can continue selling their producst for $600 while costing $400 to make and everyone that sells competing devices for $400 must now pay $200 to Apple making their products also $600. Apple wins no matter what. If that isn't the very definition of "monopoly" what is? These patents need to be forced into early retirement because entire industries can't function without them. Moreover, Apple needs to be examined for anti-trust and likely be broken into separate companies (e.g. iPhone a separate corp, App Store a separate cor, iPad a separate corp).

Everything about Apple in the 21st century smells of Standard Oil in the 20th century. Instead of an oil bully, we got a tech bully.

 

[DannibusX]

Technically, with the verdict that came in they don't have a monopoly on the iPad. The jury cited no infringement on that.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Their other rulings enforce a monopoly.

 

[jrs3000]

Sigh I doubt we'll see the gov. get involved and break apple up like they did microsoft. Watch the next few years as tech grows stagnant and the I slaves roam about like zombies :shadedshu. I should make a game called Day I.

 

[DannibusX]

Sigh I doubt we'll see the gov. get involved and break apple up like they did microsoft. Watch the next few years as tech grows stagnant and the I slaves roam about like zombies :shadedshu. I should make a game called Day I.

iDay

 

[jrs3000]

iDay

There you go. Let me go patent that so I can claim royalties Seriously I'm going to make a stracraft 2 custom map about this. Shoot mindless i Slaves before they try to devour your mind and turn you into one lol.

 

[DannibusX]

There you go. Let me go patent that so I can claim royalties Seriously I'm going to make a stracraft 2 custom map about this. Shoot mindless i Slaves before they try to devour your mind and turn you into one lol.

Prior art.

 

[Batou1986]

To be fair what they where disputing, TouchWiz Samsungs own ui not AOSP touchwiz is a direct clone of the iphone.
Until today I wasn't even aware that was what they where suing over I thought it was the phone design.

When I first got my Samsung Captivate that was the first thing outa my mouth was man this looks just like iOS.
I mean it even had the little dots and shit for screen indicators, thats the main reason i started using cyaogen mod.


Case in point, Iphone or Samsung could your non techy friends answer this correctly ?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

That would be a Captivate. One could argue that that layout is the nature of the device. Buttons can only be so small because of the size of the finger. Screens on smart phones are almost always rectangular so you get more buttons vertically than horizontally. People need text to read because they otherwise won't be able to figure out what does what.

 

[KainXS]

theres a championship match coming now google vs apple

who will win O.O

seriously though i never expected it to be so bad, was the whole jury deciding this on and ipad and sent the verdict on the iphone

wth

apple can sue pretty much every smartphone maker at this point.

 

[Frick]

The verdict is in. Reading a live blog of it now. Looks like the jury is coming back heavily in favor of Apple.

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_21356424/live-blog-verdict-apple-samsung-patent-trial

So far:

Guilty on bounceback patent
Guilty on pinch and zoom
Guilty on tap and zoom, some devices spared
Guilty on infringement of iPhone design contours
Guilty of infringement of graphical interface
Not guilty on infringment of Galaxy Tab design
Finds Samsung willful on most patent infringement.
Jury finds all Apple patents valid.

Jury rejects utility patent claims against Apple, awards Samsung nothing.

I'm getting sick to my stomach reading this stuff.

Jury awards more than one billion to Apple.

Bounceback - This is not obvious tech and one could argue that it is infringing.
Pinch and zoom - Here i'm not sure. It's genius, and probably patentable. You can do it other ways, but probably not as good.
Tap and zoom - Same here. Not obvius.
Design contour - Yes and no. You can only make phones in so many ways, but some Samsungs are very much like iPhones, that is pretty hard to ignore. Also note that today it's pretty easy to spot an iPhone, showing that it's quite possible not make phones similiar.
Graphical Interface - It is similiar. Compare to the pictures below for something that isn't.

Willfull infringement - Well.. At some point Samsung did change directions, that too is hard to argue agains.

And then below:

Yeah something happened. It was good of them to do it, and sales increased afaik and so on, but an entire lineup that is quite different from what they did before and quite similiar to an already existing phone? I'm calling it willfull.

All in all, I kinda agree with the Apple laywer who said "make your own phones". It is quite possible to do so, but Samsung didn't. I also believe the verdict in the end is bad for customers.

 

[v12dock]

Samsung will continue to sell phones and apple will find another company to sue for its 'loss of profits' from losing market share.

 

[Frederik S]

Still mindboggling that a totally generic shape can be patented. Also the GUI infringements are obvious, but how the hell can any company claim that it is their look. I have seen plenty of websites using logos that look just like Apple's iOS ones way before Apple begun contemplating the iPhone design.

 

[Frick]

Still mindboggling that a totally generic shape can be patented. Also the GUI infringements are obvious, but how the hell can any company claim that it is their look. I have seen plenty of websites using logos that look just like Apple's iOS ones way before Apple begun contemplating the iPhone design.

Where?

And I'm still not sure about the "generic look". There are many phones out there that somehow manage to not look like iPhones.