Samsung Odyssey G7 43" choppy gameplay at less than 70 fps

[HellraiserCherry]

So i bought this monitor after i upgraded to a 4090 and this is probably one of the worst monitors/tv i had to deal with honestly but after settings everything up and finding solutions to all the problems, everything is working fine, g sync is on, low latency mode is on ULTRA and Vsync is ON in the NVCP and im using the monitor on 120hz instead of 144hz because the ghosting is unbearable.

Now all games run fine but the moment a game gets around lets say less than 70 everything starts not looking smooth and its like im on 40fps or something when im moving my camera around, i can never explain it properly since i never found anyone with the same problem as me, i play with a controller always btw. And idk if this is a monitor issue or a gpu issue honestly. Games like cyperpunk and witcher 3 where im MOST of the times getting above 60 fps the games would still look bad at times since for me anything less than 70 and the closer it gets to 60 even if it doesn't dip below that looks like utter garbage.

Now my only theory right now is that since this monitor isn't gsync "certified" and its just a freesync monitor technically, and because of that g sync doesn't work properly. And i hope thats what's causing this issue because im planning to buy the LG OLED C4 when it comes out which is a certified g sync panel and hope that fixes this issue. Does anyone think its probably the monitor or is something wrong with my pc thats causing this ? mind you when im above 90 fps everything runs perfectly smooth.

I honestly tried so so many things, i did things that no one has ever thought of probably. I looked in the deepest parts of the internet and absolutely nothing worked. it HAS to be this monitor

some settings i have on this monitor

connection: Display port with the cable that came with the monitor
Local dimming: High
adaptive sync: ON
VRR: OFF because when i turn it on everything becomes not smooth, like i see duplicated frames not sure how to explain it. it just looks garbage.
also even though VRR is OFF it still says its ON in the Game hub HUD of the monitor or whatever its called

my old monitor was basically a samsung TV 4k 60hz and i had no issues running my 4090 on that so now im pretty positive its probably the monitor and not my gpu

 

[P4-630]

Your monitor is not officially G-Sync compatible.
It may work fine, partially work or not work.

Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 G70NC 43" Wit - Kenmerken - Tweakers

tweakers.net

 

[HellraiserCherry]

Your monitor is not officially G-Sync compatible.
It may work fine, partially work or not work.

Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 G70NC 43" Wit - Kenmerken - Tweakers

tweakers.net

thank you for the reply, i am going to hope thats the issue. This was my first above 60hz monitor so i really had no clue about any of these adaptive sync technologies. Sadly there is barely any actual good panels when it comes to 42/43" range.

 

[tabascosauz]

So i bought this monitor after i upgraded to a 4090 and this is probably one of the worst monitors/tv i had to deal with honestly but after settings everything up and finding solutions to all the problems, everything is working fine, g sync is on, low latency mode is on ULTRA and Vsync is ON in the NVCP and im using the monitor on 120hz instead of 144hz because the ghosting is unbearable.

Now all games run fine but the moment a game gets around lets say less than 70 everything starts not looking smooth and its like im on 40fps or something when im moving my camera around, i can never explain it properly since i never found anyone with the same problem as me, i play with a controller always btw. And idk if this is a monitor issue or a gpu issue honestly. Games like cyperpunk and witcher 3 where im MOST of the times getting above 60 fps the games would still look bad at times since for me anything less than 70 and the closer it gets to 60 even if it doesn't dip below that looks like utter garbage.

Now my only theory right now is that since this monitor isn't gsync "certified" and its just a freesync monitor technically, and because of that g sync doesn't work properly. And i hope thats what's causing this issue because im planning to buy the LG OLED C4 when it comes out which is a certified g sync panel and hope that fixes this issue. Does anyone think its probably the monitor or is something wrong with my pc thats causing this ? mind you when im above 90 fps everything runs perfectly smooth.

some settings i have on this monitor

connection: Display port with the cable that came with the monitor
Local dimming: High
adaptive sync: ON
VRR: OFF because when i turn it on everything becomes not smooth, like i see duplicated frames not sure how to explain it. it just looks garbage.
also even though VRR is OFF it still says its ON in the Game hub HUD of the monitor or whatever its called

my old monitor was basically a samsung TV 4k 60hz and i had no issues running my 4090 on that so now im pretty positive its probably the monitor and not my gpu

Couple things:

- Response time will be bad regardless of what you set it to. 43G7 is basically a badly tweaked QN90B. I have a QN90B and VRR works fine even though it has no official G-sync Compatible certification.

- G-sync compatible certification doesn't mean much. If it doesn't have it, it just means that Nvidia hasn't tested it.

- If you set VRR off, then you don't get G-sync at all. What you are describing is exactly what it's like to play at sub-60fps on a 120Hz monitor with no VRR/G-sync/freesync. They are 3 different names for what is essentially the same thing to the end user. You wanted g-sync but you have turned it off on the panel.

- if you go into NVCP and select any setting under Display, there should be a G-sync Indicator that shows in the top bar options. Green G-SYNC text will appear in the top right whenever G-sync is actually working to tell you if there is any VRR going on.

- The duplicated frames is part of most Freesync/G-sync panel functionality, LFC activates once fps is low enough and duplicates frames. But it doesn't have to be strictly falling below lower VRR bound to happen (~48 for monitors and ~20 for TVs), on Nvidia LFC happens a lot at 60fps capped games.

-Setting to 120Hz should not affect anything at all. My QN90B is also at 120Hz, but due to known text clarity issues at 144Hz improper 4:4:4. VRR works fine as long as Game Mode is on - not sure how the 43G7 handles it considering they are basically the same at a hardware level.

- LFC on Nvidia inherently involves brightness flickering when it's on. Not sure how local dimming will interact with that. I have local dimming disabled on mine via service menu, but Low shouldn't be too intrusive.

 

[Vya Domus]

If you are using 120hz instead of the native 144hz that might be the source of your issues, displays are really not meant to be used with video signals that do not match the native refresh rate especially with VRR, you're just asking for trouble.

Instead of using 120hz just limit the games to 120fps and keep the video signal at 144hz, see if that does anything.

 

[HellraiserCherry]

Couple things:

- Response time will be bad regardless of what you set it to. 43G7 is basically a badly tweaked QN90B. I have a QN90B and VRR works fine even though it has no official G-sync Compatible certification.

- G-sync compatible certification doesn't mean much. If it doesn't have it, it just means that Nvidia hasn't tested it.

- If you set VRR off, then you don't get G-sync at all. What you are describing is exactly what it's like to play at sub-60fps on a 120Hz monitor with no VRR/G-sync/freesync. They are 3 different names for what is essentially the same thing to the end user. You wanted g-sync but you have turned it off on the panel.

- if you go into NVCP and select any setting under Display, there should be a G-sync Indicator that shows in the top bar options. Green G-SYNC text will appear in the top right whenever G-sync is actually working to tell you if there is any VRR going on.

VRR is on because when i play a game like Yakuza Kiwami i get around 85-120 fps depending on whats going on and everything is buttery smooth and the g sync icon DOES appear on the top right. SO even though i have it off in the monitor panel, technically its on. from what i read online apparently samsung released an update for these monitors and broke VRR pretty much, idk much about it but trust me turning VRR on in the panel is not good

If you are using 120hz instead of the native 144hz that might be the source of your issues, displays are really not meant to be used with video signals that do not match the native refresh rate especially with VRR, you're just asking for trouble.

Instead of using 120hz just limit the games to 120fps and keep the video signal at 144hz, see if that does anything.

You're 100% correct but with this monitor i still had the same issue sadly.

 

[Vya Domus]

I don't know then, I guess it just sucks, keep in mind the game could be stuttering itself and you'd experience choppiness even if everything works correctly.

If you think it really it's the monitor, return it if you can or sell it, it's not worth the headache.

 

[tabascosauz]

VRR is on because when i play a game like Yakuza Kiwami i get around 85-120 fps depending on whats going on and everything is buttery smooth and the g sync icon DOES appear on the top right. SO even though i have it off in the monitor panel, technically its on. from what i read online apparently samsung released an update for these monitors and broke VRR pretty much, idk much about it but trust me turning VRR on in the panel is not good

Hmmm sounds like new firmware might have broken something. Did you manually update or something? Usually has to be manual on the TVs. It's the opposite experience on my end, VRR didn't work properly on old firmwares (insane flickering) but new one is perfect.

If this was a normal monitor, you can just get CRU and check what your VRR range is set to (ie. 48-165 for a run of the mill Freesync Premium/G-sync Compatible), and change it to make it smaller/bigger. What you are describing sounds like LFC isn't working, perhaps as a result of VRR off?

Normally low fps is not an issue and doesn't fall outside of VRR range because of LFC. But if it's not working properly via new firmware, below a certain fps you will lose VRR entirely.

CRU I'm not sure works on TVs (in this case, TVs-turned-monitor), it doesn't seem to display the same pixel clock (VRR range) data as normal monitors. But you should check.

Do you have a Samsung remote that can open service menu?

 

[HellraiserCherry]

Hmmm sounds like new firmware might have broken something. Did you manually update or something? Usually has to be manual on the TVs. It's the opposite experience on my end, VRR didn't work properly on old firmwares (insane flickering) but new one is perfect.

If this was a normal monitor, you can just get CRU and check what your VRR range is set to (ie. 48-165 for a run of the mill Freesync Premium/G-sync Compatible), and change it to make it smaller/bigger. What you are describing sounds like LFC isn't working, perhaps as a result of VRR off?

Normally low fps is not an issue and doesn't fall outside of VRR range because of LFC. But if it's not working properly via new firmware, below a certain fps you will lose VRR entirely.

CRU I'm not sure works on TVs (in this case, TVs-turned-monitor), it doesn't seem to display the same pixel clock (VRR range) data as normal monitors. But you should check.

Do you have a Samsung remote that can open service menu?

Nope, when i bought this monitor it was already on the latest update. I have no flickering but again if i turn VRR ON and move my camera in games i see like a trail of an npc or something, like ghosting but not with a blur, just the actual npc duplicating. and also moving my camera is like 40 fps even though im on 120fps.

i can try CRU i guess..

This GARBAGE of a monitor actually overheats when i connect using HDMI port and keeps giving me 2-3 seconds blackscreens after every few minutes. So you're forced to even use the DP port

yes this monitor comes with a remote, there is no like buttons under or anything, you have to use the remote for everything

I don't know then, I guess it just sucks, keep in mind the game could be stuttering itself and you'd experience choppiness even if everything works correctly.

If you think it really it's the monitor, return it if you can or sell it, it's not worth the headache.

fortunately its been only 2 games where im having issues so far, everything else is fine since i have over 70 fps on most games. So i will just have to bear with it until the new LG C4 drops. tbh i should have excepted this, it was dirt cheap on sale this monitor. I knew it was too good to be true.

Hmmm sounds like new firmware might have broken something. Did you manually update or something? Usually has to be manual on the TVs. It's the opposite experience on my end, VRR didn't work properly on old firmwares (insane flickering) but new one is perfect.

If this was a normal monitor, you can just get CRU and check what your VRR range is set to (ie. 48-165 for a run of the mill Freesync Premium/G-sync Compatible), and change it to make it smaller/bigger. What you are describing sounds like LFC isn't working, perhaps as a result of VRR off?

Normally low fps is not an issue and doesn't fall outside of VRR range because of LFC. But if it's not working properly via new firmware, below a certain fps you will lose VRR entirely.

CRU I'm not sure works on TVs (in this case, TVs-turned-monitor), it doesn't seem to display the same pixel clock (VRR range) data as normal monitors. But you should check.

Do you have a Samsung remote that can open service menu?

idk how to use this but this is whats showing

The only way i will now for sure that its this trash monitor's issue is by letting a friend lend me a gsync certified monitor to test it honestly, so im probably gonna do that and let you know how it goes.

 

[tabascosauz]

Nope, when i bought this monitor it was already on the latest update. I have no flickering but again if i turn VRR ON and move my camera in games i see like a trail of an npc or something, like ghosting but not with a blur, just the actual npc duplicating. and also moving my camera is like 40 fps even though im on 120fps.

i can try CRU i guess..

This GARBAGE of a monitor actually overheats when i connect using HDMI port and keeps giving me 2-3 seconds blackscreens after every few minutes. So you're forced to even use the DP port

yes this monitor comes with a remote, there is no like buttons under or anything, you have to use the remote for everything

fortunately its been only 2 games where im having issues so far, everything else is fine since i have over 70 fps on most games. So i will just have to bear with it until the new LG C4 drops. tbh i should have excepted this, it was dirt cheap on sale this monitor. I knew it was too good to be true.


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idk how to use this but this is whats showing

The only way i will now for sure that its this trash monitor's issue is by letting a friend lend me a gsync certified monitor to test it honestly, so im probably gonna do that and let you know how it goes.

Usually the way you change it is in the Edit... button right up top. It looks like Samsung did program in your VRR limits (48-144) unlike with its TVs, so you might be able to change the lower number in there. Vertical pixel clock.

But it sounds like you don't get LFC without turning VRR on in monitor settings, which also sounds like it's by design. So unless LFC is on (the duplicated frames you mentioned), I don't think this problem is going away. I'm also not 100% sure it would go away with a different panel, regardless of how trash G70NC is, since it's a fundamental part of most VRR implementations these days. I understand the bad VRR performance you are describing, though. It's not fun.

On the bright side, TVs tend to handle VRR a bit differently. On the flip side, they are no more immune to VRR flickering than any other monitor, which is usually the main complaint for any VRR panel when at low fps.

 

[Vya Domus]

fortunately its been only 2 games where im having issues so far, everything else is fine since i have over 70 fps on most games.

Then this sounds like it's the game not the monitor, I have played games that feel choppy as well with freesync.

 

[HellraiserCherry]

Then this sounds like it's the game not the monitor, I have played games that feel choppy as well with freesync.

these 2 games have dlss3.. do you think it might be because of frame generation ??

 

[Vya Domus]

these 2 games have dlss3.. do you think it might be because of frame generation ??

If this happens when you use frame generation then for sure this can be the source of your issues.

Also if you use FG at 120hz than means the game is running in the 60fps region, frametime spikes will be a lot more noticeable when interpolating from that frame rate.

 

[HellraiserCherry]

Usually the way you change it is in the Edit... button right up top. It looks like Samsung did program in your VRR limits (48-144) unlike with its TVs, so you might be able to change the lower number in there. Vertical pixel clock.

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But it sounds like you don't get LFC without turning VRR on in monitor settings, which also sounds like it's by design. So unless LFC is on (the duplicated frames you mentioned), I don't think this problem is going away. I'm also not 100% sure it would go away with a different panel, regardless of how trash G70NC is, since it's a fundamental part of most VRR implementations these days. I understand the bad VRR performance you are describing, though. It's not fun.

On the bright side, TVs tend to handle VRR a bit differently. On the flip side, they are no more immune to VRR flickering than any other monitor, which is usually the main complaint for any VRR panel when at low fps.

But we know that the VRR is broken on this monitor so thats the WHOLE reason why im having this issue it seems. its this monitor's issue in the end no ?

If this happens when you use frame generation then for sure this can be the source of your issues.

Also if you use FG at 120hz than means the game is running in the 60fps region, frametime spikes will be a lot more noticeable when interpolating from that frame rate.

nah now that i think of it, when i cap my fps in other games at 70/65/60 i start having the same issue, so it can't be that, ALSO when i put dlss 2 on like ultra performance then everything is smooth again because im no longer close to 60 fps, at that point im over 100

 

[tabascosauz]

its this monitor in the end no ?

In the sense that you shouldn't have functioning VRR right now with your settings (VRR off), but still get it, sure. The only real oddity I can see is that your monitor has Adaptive Sync setting but also a separate VRR setting, but that seems to just be a Neo quirk.

You said you get a terrible experience in DLSS3 games at 60-70fps but for gamers more sensitive to the little things like input lag/stuttering, that would not be an enjoyable experience regardless. That's effectively 30-35fps before interpolation.

nah now that i think of it, when i cap my fps in other games at 70/65/60 i start having the same issue, so it can't be that, ALSO when i put dlss 2 on like ultra performance then everything is smooth again because im no longer close to 60 fps, at that point im over 100

But if your G-sync indicator is also disappearing under those circumstances, then there's no surprise here, DLSS3 or not. When you game without working VRR at low frame rates (60fps counts) on higher refresh monitors, it will feel like choppy garbage, that's just how things are.

 

[Vya Domus]

If this starts to happen when the games run close to 60fps but is fine when you go over 100fps then this doesn't really has much to do with VRR, VRR doesn't save you from low framerates and uneven frame times. 60fps wont feel good on a high refresh rate monitor with or without VRR.

FG makes this worse, both AMD and Nvidia recommend it be used with games that already have a high base framerate.

 

[HellraiserCherry]

In the sense that you shouldn't have functioning VRR right now with your settings (VRR off), but still get it, sure. The only real oddity I can see is that your monitor has Adaptive Sync setting but also a separate VRR setting, but that seems to just be a Neo quirk.

You said you get a terrible experience in DLSS3 games at 60-70fps but for gamers more sensitive to the little things like input lag/stuttering, that would not be an enjoyable experience regardless. That's effectively 30-35fps before interpolation.



But if your G-sync indicator is also disappearing under those circumstances, then there's no surprise here, DLSS3 or not. When you game without working VRR at low frame rates (60fps counts) on higher refresh monitors, it will feel like choppy garbage, that's just how things are.

Idk i play on controller so latency doesn't feel that bad for me, i just tested out some witcher 3 and i can confirm the g sync indicator on the top right corner is ALWAYS on, i have never seen it disappear ever no matter how much my fps is even at 30 fps

Its whatever i'll just live with this for now and im getting another display because i want OLED anyway. And i do believe this monitor has issues with g sync thats my theory for now. Once i get the LG C4 i'll come back to this thread and let you know if it fixed the issue. Thank you all for all the help , im still a noobie to PC gaming, especially high refresh gaming

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

So i bought this monitor after i upgraded to a 4090 and this is probably one of the worst monitors/tv i had to deal with honestly but after settings everything up and finding solutions to all the problems, everything is working fine, g sync is on, low latency mode is on ULTRA and Vsync is ON in the NVCP and im using the monitor on 120hz instead of 144hz because the ghosting is unbearable.

Now all games run fine but the moment a game gets around lets say less than 70 everything starts not looking smooth and its like im on 40fps or something when im moving my camera around, i can never explain it properly since i never found anyone with the same problem as me, i play with a controller always btw. And idk if this is a monitor issue or a gpu issue honestly. Games like cyperpunk and witcher 3 where im MOST of the times getting above 60 fps the games would still look bad at times since for me anything less than 70 and the closer it gets to 60 even if it doesn't dip below that looks like utter garbage.

Now my only theory right now is that since this monitor isn't gsync "certified" and its just a freesync monitor technically, and because of that g sync doesn't work properly.

Looks like you're better off trying it with all syncing disabled. I've played games with no sync with uncapped frame rate and never had anything terrible like that!

 

[HellraiserCherry]

Looks like you're better off trying it with all syncing disabled. I've played games with no sync with uncapped frame rate and never had anything terrible like that!

Sadly it becomes worse for me the moment g sync is off. Even when i switch to 60hz nothing is playable, still feels like im on 30-40 fps. I doubt its my pc, i had a 60hz 4k tv and everything was fine on that.

 

[tabascosauz]

Sadly it becomes worse for me the moment g sync is off. Even when i switch to 60hz nothing is playable, still feels like im on 30-40 fps. I doubt its my pc, i had a 60hz 4k tv and everything was fine on that.

Did you disable all post processing functions as well? Judder/blur reduction and all that. It's supposed to perform rather poorly for PC use. Picture Clarity menu

 

[Durvelle27]

When you first started having issues why didn’t you return the monitor

Also reading info on monitor. I don’t see any mentions of being G-Sync. Only AMD FreeSync.

 

[HellraiserCherry]

When you first started having issues why didn’t you return the monitor

Also reading info on monitor. I don’t see any mentions of being G-Sync. Only AMD FreeSync.

Because it was the first time i buy a high refresh rate monitor and none of my friends could help me because they either have an AMD gpu or don’t have a freesync/gsync monitor. And i genuinely thought there was something wrong with my NVCP settings or my PC so i just kept trying messing around with the settings for weeks until the return period ended. Also as you said, even when i return it, it never said it’s g sync compatible just free sync. So in the end it’s ignorance on my behalf. I don’t regret it fully since it was like 50% off and i learned now to read up monitor specs instead of just buying the cheapest one i could find. I’ll sell it once i get a new monitor.

Did you disable all post processing functions as well? Judder/blur reduction and all that. It's supposed to perform rather poorly for PC use. Picture Clarity menu

I don’t think i have but i can give it a try when im home. I honestly was happy with 60hz the only reason i bought a high refresh monitor is so i can use dlss 3, since you HAVE to have g sync on or it just screen tears everywhere.

 

[P4-630]

I don’t see any mentions of being G-Sync. Only AMD FreeSync.

Which is what I already mentioned in post 2.

 

[Durvelle27]

Which is what I already mentioned in post 2.

You said it wasn't officially compatible insinuating that unofficially it was, which it isn't

Because it was the first time i buy a high refresh rate monitor and none of my friends could help me because they either have an AMD gpu or don’t have a freesync/gsync monitor. And i genuinely thought there was something wrong with my NVCP settings or my PC so i just kept trying messing around with the settings for weeks until the return period ended. Also as you said, even when i return it, it never said it’s g sync compatible just free sync. So in the end it’s ignorance on my behalf. I don’t regret it fully since it was like 50% off and i learned now to read up monitor specs instead of just buying the cheapest one i could find. I’ll sell it once i get a new monitor.


I don’t think i have but i can give it a try when im home. I honestly was happy with 60hz the only reason i bought a high refresh monitor is so i can use dlss 3, since you HAVE to have g sync on or it just screen tears everywhere.

You can try this

disable VRR settings and anything else on the monitor

than go into Geforce control panel and turn on Global V-Sync and change it to Fast or higher this is different from low latency mode. See if it smooths the games out. Also keep the monitor at 144Hz not 120Hz

 

[HellraiserCherry]

Did you disable all post processing functions as well? Judder/blur reduction and all that. It's supposed to perform rather poorly for PC use. Picture Clarity menu

I actually can't change those options still even when game mode (adaptive sync) is off, its greyed out and says "can't use function" so i assume they're already off

You said it wasn't officially compatible insinuating that unofficially it was, which it isn't


You can try this

disable VRR settings and anything else on the monitor

than go into Geforce control panel and turn on Global V-Sync and change it to Fast or higher this is different from low latency mode. See if it smooths the games out. Also keep the monitor at 144Hz not 120Hz

When i disable adaptive sync on the monitor i can no longer choose 144hz, only 120hz. I did what you said and everything just looks really not smooth even with over 200 fps. i recorded some videos but honestly it doesn't look the same from what i see with my own eyes so it wouldn't help much. all i can say is i see duplicated frames when im moving my camera around. if im standing still in a game everything is fine. if i run in a straight line with very minimal camera movements sometimes it looks fine too.